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User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3727 times:

Its fairly long, but, the ending is classic.  Wink


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He had good intentions but seriously, its time to let it go.

Enjoy.

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User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 42
Reply 1, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3665 times:

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Thread starter):
its time to let it go.

Jeeh with an attitude like that I would have been home more often, the children would have known who was cutting the meat for dinner, would have looked a lot younger, would have more hair left on my head and would have felt a lot better over all due to a more regular sleeping pattern.

But then again I wouldn't be part of:

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Etc...etc...

I'll better soldier on despite everything Big grin



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User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3632 times:

I knew someone would think I'm a mean mean person.  Wink

Like I said, he had good intentions but to wonder if he has a chance at saving what's left of it? Hahahaha. Right. The plane is serving a purpose now, moreso than it was sitting at the Youngstown Airport.


User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 42
Reply 3, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3596 times:

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 2):
I knew someone would think I'm a mean mean person.

Didn't mean it personal Chad, you can have your opinion..... no problem.
It's just that when everybody shared yours we would be left with nothing from the past up in the air, a prospect I can't stand.

I feel for the guy.
Last August I visited an old barn house, although very nice and beautifully restored nothing special...... from the outside.
Until I entered the old stables that was.
My eyes almost fell on the floor right there:
http://www.honders.net/tmp/barn_MG_1205.jpg
A Polikarpov Po-2 together with the latest Stampe that left the production line with all parts like cylinders, pistons you name it all covered under half a meter of dust.
Both aircrafts are complete just waiting to be finished.
I'll go crazy when I find them trashed in a few years time.



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User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3594 times:

There are T-33's flying. Many more on sticks and at museums. No shortages, trust me.

User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 42
Reply 5, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3577 times:

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 4):
There are T-33's flying. Many more on sticks and at museums. No shortages, trust me.

There was a time with more then enough Connie's and DC2's either, trust me.
After you(meant in general to your attitude sharing US people) sold your 749 Connie we have the only airworthy left and the same story applies to the DC2.
So we are taking care of your US aviation history, strange situation isn't it ?
We do it with love and care though hoping wish dome will come with the years on your side of the pond Big grin (i am in doubt though).



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User currently offlineThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2071 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3567 times:
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Quoting Aviopic (Reply 5):
So we are taking care of your US aviation history

Willem, don't forget to acquire a Tomcat which you'll maintain airworthy in beautiful little Netherlands  Big grin
Oh, and if you need a pilot to fly it, you know how to contact me Big grin

Thierry



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User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 42
Reply 7, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3550 times:

Quoting ThierryD (Reply 6):
Willem, don't forget to acquire a Tomcat which you'll maintain airworthy in beautiful little Netherlands

Would love to have one although keeping it in the air will be a hopeless undertaking in our country, probably in the EU anyway.

Quoting ThierryD (Reply 6):
Oh, and if you need a pilot to fly it, you know how to contact me

On the F14 or on one of the others(Connie, DC2, DC3 or F27) ?

Willem(who is off to bed)



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User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3544 times:

Willem, you are quite a ways in left field on what I was saying. You cannot save them all. I do hope these continue to remain airworthy and hope there are many more that are made airworthy.  Smile


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User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3541 times:

No one cares about T-33's.........but those Phantoms...! Now that is another story..  Wink

User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3527 times:

Quoting JeffM (Reply 9):
.........but those Phantoms...! Now that is another story..

  

[Edited 2006-10-04 01:35:23]

User currently offlineThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2071 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3438 times:
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Quoting Aviopic (Reply 7):
On the F14 or on one of the others(Connie, DC2, DC3 or F27) ?

I'd gladly fly any of those beautiful machines but the Tomcat of course would be the absolute nec plus ultra!  Smile

Thierry



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User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 42
Reply 12, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3428 times:

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 8):
Willem, you are quite a ways in left field on what I was saying. You cannot save them all.

No I fully understand you Chad, I don't care about a T33 either and that's the danger.
Nobody cares because there are enough just to find yourself left with nothing on a sudden day.
This is not about the T33 but about the attitude in general which in my view only leads to "Sorry...... we have nothing left".

Example:
From the ones most common aircraft the Po-2 with over 35000 build there are just a hand full left flying.
In our database I can only find 27 photos with 8 different registrations in flying condition and without any photo taken in flight.
An in flight photo was rejected(motive) by youngsters who don't have a clue what they are looking at, in my world that's ignorance.

Apart from a handful Dakota's and as far as I know there is one airworthy 1049 left in the US which is broken down and one DC2 which will make just one flight to the museum in Seattle(maybe it's already there, don't know) where it will start her "dust collecting" career but who hey cares......... ones we had them enough.
A wonderful achievement for a country where aviation started in the first place.

Chad this is not a personal battle, it's not about the T33 and not about a rejection but about the attitude displayed that I am afraid off.
I just think you should not make fun with the man who feels attached to a specific aircraft.
Historic aviation(something we call Hysteric aviation which it is) is driven by those people and without them one day you will be sorry too.
Just think about it and while doing so look around you and wander how many of the great and historic airliners you have left flying around in the US.

Then again I am probably just an old bugger......... but hey.. with good intentions though and I mean well too.  Wink

Willem



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User currently offlineThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2071 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3415 times:
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Quoting Aviopic (Reply 12):
From the ones most common aircraft the Po-2 with over 35000 build there are just a hand full left flying.

Same with the Ilyushin Il-2; marvellous plane and produced by thousands it was THE workhorse of the Russian Air Force during WWII but as far as I know there is not a single flying Il-2 in the world today.  Sad
Real pity!


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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6758 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3402 times:

If we're going to get nostalgic about departed aircraft.....


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User currently offlineSkidmarks From UK - England, joined Dec 2004, 7121 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days ago) and read 3381 times:

Quoting JeffM (Reply 9):
No one cares about T-33's

Speak for yourself mate!! T-33's are awsome (to use an American colloquialism).

Andy  old 



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User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 42
Reply 16, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3362 times:

Quoting ThierryD (Reply 11):
I'd gladly fly any of those beautiful machines but the Tomcat of course would be the absolute nec plus ultra!

Missed your reply Thierry.
Forget about the Tomcat, that's not going to happen.
But we are very happy with our recent certified Fouga and we do hope to get another jet airworthy in the next 2 years or so.

One of the DC2 pilots left to Dubai to fly a T7 for Emirates and at the moment we have only crew for the Connie selected who will start training somewhere in spring next year, another crew(2 pilots and a flight engineer) will be needed.
Next Thursday an airworthy DC3 will arrive from the UK to stay at the Aviodrome for at least the next 2 years and an extra F27 pilot might be welcome too.
Of course I have no saying in who is flying what but if you are serious there are opportunities enough.
However it is not like flying at an airline, if you think you can arrive a couple of hours before a flight in your nice suit with the question whether the aircraft is ready just don't bother and you might as well stay where you are.
As our little organization is not supported by the government nor receives any major sponsor ship we have to work and get dirty, that means all of us.
Even the Director spends his off time in a dirty overall and that's how we do it.
So if you think you are made of "the right stuff" and wanna be part of our Team I can bring you in contact with the right people.

Quoting ThierryD (Reply 13):
Same with the Ilyushin Il-2; marvellous plane and produced by thousands it was THE workhorse of the Russian Air Force during WWII but as far as I know there is not a single flying Il-2 in the world today.



Quoting Oly720man (Reply 14):
If we're going to get nostalgic about departed aircraft.....

Although I regret the loss of those magnificent aircraft(for sure the Mosquito) I am worried about the "don't care.......we have enough" attitude that caused it in the first place.
I think we are about to lose a lot more if we are not careful which is why I always try to change the way people think(not that I am very successful....... but hey at least I tried with all good intentions) Big grin



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