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Does Photo Sales Function $$ On The Site Suck?  
User currently offlineEksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1295 posts, RR: 25
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8907 times:
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Hi Guys,

I have been watching the site sales of photos and I am not sure what the breakdown (i.e. the cut Johan/printing company takes) but somehow these numbers seem really really low payout to the photographer. Selling a picture for such a small bit of money seems pointless. Some of mine (actually almost all) were sold for mere cents. Heck, it is practically stealing  

e.g 2006-08-15 1 sold for 0.145 cents

Here is the summay in my section
"Photographer: Suresh A. Atapattu
You have sold a total of 109 prints.
Your earnings so far is:
15.390 GBP
1.230 EUR
13.330 USD
Sum in US dollars: $43.24
(Subject to change depending on exchange rates)"

Heck..i would have sold one picture for double $43.24 easily when people approach me via email.

Initiallly this was a novel and cool feature but i am disappointed about how much the photographer actually makes out of it. It is appears to be a win situation for everyone involved EXCEPT for the guy who goes thru the trouble of generating the product! Unless volume is achieved these numbers are pitiful.

So i am kinda feeling this is not worth it. What's you opinion?

[Edited 2006-10-15 16:29:18]


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User currently offlineEWS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8896 times:

Suresh,

Since the payout.. I'm now..

Photographer: Lew
You have sold a total of 13 prints.
Your earnings so far is:
1.930 GBP
0.365 EUR
0.000 USD
Sum in US dollars: $4.02

Been sat at that for about a year now.. I think the $50 limit until a payout is rather silly as thats technically our money.. having to wait, in somecases those who will never recieve a payout because they sold one or two prints and nothing more.. can never get to their money for the images sold as prints from this website. Seems a loophole that many photographers are loosing out on.

Lew  goodvibes 


User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3149 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8883 times:

I think i read somewhere that Johan/Anet doesn't make any money of it.Maybe the printing Company is too pricey.

Quoting EWS (Reply 1):
I think the $50 limit until a payout is rather silly as thats technically our money

Don't know exactly but the 50USD limit might be set to keep costs low. 15USD won't be worth to transfer the money.

And all in all you don't have to use this feature it's always possible to enable seeling prints.

Georg


User currently offlineTommy Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 912 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8866 times:

Well, if Johan isn't making money out of it,
the photographer isn't making money out of it...

Then why should it go on ? Why feed a big printing company ?

Definitely not worth it....

Tommy Mogren



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User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8866 times:

Quoting Eksath (Thread starter):
So i am kinda feeling this is not worth it. What's you opinion?

In my opinion you're crazy if you offer prints for sale here. The reason you gave is accurate. Your getting pennies on the dollar. The profit goes to the site. Your photos already bring people to the site which generates income for Johan, and you pay dues to converse with others here, do you really want to pay Johan anymore money?

The prices here are a joke, and there is no way you can verify the sales, or even to who they are going to.

Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 2):
I think i read somewhere that Johan/Anet doesn't make any money of it.

 rotfl  If that was the case, it wouldn't be offered. Don't kid yourself.


User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3149 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8847 times:

Quoting JeffM (Reply 4):
If that was the case, it wouldn't be offered. Don't kid yourself.

Check out the 100 threads about anet and Johan, he isn't making any money of the site I think.

But maybe someone from the crew or Johan can shed light into the photo print sales.

Georg


User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3149 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8839 times:

Tried it out on this pic


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Georg Noack



For the 6"x4" print (15.2x10.2cm AR: 1.5)

it will be
Sub total: $0.54
Shipping to the UK incl. package: $3,00
Total: $ 3,54

Quoting Eksath (Thread starter):
Here is the summay in my section
"Photographer: Suresh A. Atapattu
You have sold a total of 109 prints.
Your earnings so far is:
15.390 GBP
1.230 EUR
13.330 USD
Sum in US dollars: $43.24
(Subject to change depending on exchange rates)"

On average it's $0,40 for every pic not knowing how big and expensive/cheap they were sold.

Maybe I overlooked something but that's not too much loosing for you compared to the original price the user paid. Compared to the price you get when you sold it on the market it's much less but how many people sell regulary on the free market.

For me this year sales via email 4 pics for about 350 euro
compared to

You have sold a total of 20 prints.

Your earnings so far is:
1.790 GBP
0.550 EUR
0.630 USD

Sum in US dollars: $4.62

Georg

[Edited 2006-10-15 18:14:16]

User currently offlineChrisH From Sweden, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 1136 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8821 times:

Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 5):
Check out the 100 threads about anet and Johan, he isn't making any money of the site I think.

Honestly...



what seems to be the officer, problem?
User currently offline9V From China, joined Aug 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8819 times:

There's a small box when uploading that says Add to photo sales.

If you aint happy don't tick it! I agree with JeffM on this one.  Smile


User currently offlineEWS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8819 times:

Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 5):
Check out the 100 threads about anet and Johan, he isn't making any money of the site I think.

This is his living.. he doesnt work, so he must be making something from it!

I've now removed all my photographs from sales until something is worked out on this.

Lew


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8811 times:

Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 5):
he isn't making any money of the site I think.

You're joking right?

[Edited 2006-10-15 18:36:23]

User currently offlineSpencer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1635 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8795 times:

Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 6):
Maybe I overlooked something



Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 6):
For me this year sales via email 4 pics for about 350 euro
compared to

You have sold a total of 20 prints.

Your earnings so far is:
1.790 GBP
0.550 EUR
0.630 USD
Sum in US dollars: $4.62

Well Jorge mate, if you ain't figure that one out.........
It isn't hard to work out that if the sales function is disengaged on your photo stock, then if someone wants to buy it they'll hopefully move their eyes across the page 4 inches and see how they can contact you privately regarding such matters!
I don't know what the going rate is but I've sold 7x5 inch prints for £mucho before, so when you do your little calculations next make sure you know what you're on about! Of course Johan is making a crust!
Spencer.
(Happily earning money from private sales!)



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User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3149 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8767 times:

Quoting Spencer (Reply 11):
I don't know what the going rate is but I've sold 7x5 inch prints for £mucho before, so when you do your little calculations next make sure you know what you're on about

I'm not sure if I understand you correct. I just wanted to point out that from my small calculation that not much is left for Anet. Not saying that this is a good price.

I don't understand how people make such a big fuzz about a function they don't have to use on a site they don't have to upload to or visit. We all know that Anet is a great site and makes the Internet a better place for us, so why complain about this feature?

Quoting 9V (Reply 8):
There's a small box when uploading that says Add to photo sales.

If you aint happy don't tick it! I agree with JeffM on this one.

 checkmark 

And you can also change it in the MyPhotos section.

Let's not guess anymore till we know if Johan makes money from the Print sales or not---> Crew, please clarify.

Georg


User currently offlineGlobalpics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 216 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8761 times:

This is a fairly simple arguement, I agree with 9V if you don't like it don't do it.  Smile

User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2730 posts, RR: 41
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8740 times:

I removed all of my photos from sale a few months back, I made roughly $5 I believe.

$5 in 18 months? I think not!  Wink



Simon - London-Aviation.com
User currently offlineSkidmarks From UK - England, joined Dec 2004, 7121 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8733 times:

One small question - if we tick the "No Sale" box, what happens to the money already generated? It won't grow to the $50 minimum if we don't sell anything, but then you can't get your hands on it.

I suppose you could always put it towards extra days FC Membership, but again, I'm not sure how that works either. Is the renewal date put back when you use this facility until your free days are used? Does it mean you pay a reduced rate for renewal or what? Be nice to get some clarification on this.

Andy  old 



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User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2730 posts, RR: 41
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8725 times:

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 15):
I suppose you could always put it towards extra days FC Membership, but again, I'm not sure how that works either. Is the renewal date put back when you use this facility until your free days are used? Does it mean you pay a reduced rate for renewal or what? Be nice to get some clarification on this.

Andy,

I used my photo money just a few weeks back, you can't withdraw it, so it has to be used as FC membership, in your myphotos area, there is an option to convert your photo sales money into FC days. Your FC expiry date just gets put back.



Simon - London-Aviation.com
User currently offline9V From China, joined Aug 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8725 times:

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 15):
It won't grow to the $50 minimum if we don't sell anything, but then you can't get your hands on it.

It just stays in Johan's Swiss bank account earning interest.  Wink


User currently offlineFly747 From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1497 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8705 times:

I tested for a while too to see how it goes and here's my numbers:

Photographer: Ivan Kresanek

You have sold a total of 9 prints.

Your earnings so far is:
0.720 GBP
0.275 EUR
0.305 USD

Sum in US dollars: $1.98

I now have removed all my photos. Not really worth it.

Ivan



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User currently offlineFlyfisher1976 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 804 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8655 times:

I don't have time to read all replies, so sory if this has been said in so many words:

I disabled the photo sales option for my photos a long time ago. Since then I have sold two photos one for $175 and one for $100.

Quoting Eksath (Thread starter):
You have sold a total of 109 prints.



Quoting Eksath (Thread starter):
Sum in US dollars: $43.24

You: 109 Prints - $43
Me: 2 Prints - $275

If you had sold even just half your prints at my average sell price you would have made $6800!!

Don't sell yourself short! Remove the photo sales option and sell them privately.


User currently offlineSkidmarks From UK - England, joined Dec 2004, 7121 posts, RR: 55
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8655 times:

Quoting Airplanepics (Reply 16):

Thanks mate, might just have to do that I think.

Andy  old 



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User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3149 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks ago) and read 8611 times:

Quoting Flyfisher1976 (Reply 19):
I disabled the photo sales option for my photos a long time ago. Since then I have sold two photos one for $175 and one for $100.

Thats a different liga I think.
I sold one pic to a advertising agency for 225 Euro - do you think a person pays 225 bucks for a print of up to A2?

Quoting Flyfisher1976 (Reply 19):
Me: 2 Prints - $275

Really 2 prints or two pics printed lot od times?

Georg


User currently offlineAdamWright From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8602 times:

I do all my selling through contacts.. I would never think of selling my photos inreturn for pennies through airliners.net. Might be good for the people with point and shoots who don't have worry about paying back an expensive DSLR.. but for me, I'd rather deal directly with the person. Sometimes I get to know the buyer so well that they come back to me in the future ...

And i'm also a lot more confident in the print quality I'm providing vs. the stuff that gets printed through a.net. Dunno how good the quality is. I prefer to do it all myself.

-Adam


User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8589 times:

Ive had several people order a 4x6 on anet and then contact me directly for a bigger version. I use it for promotional use pretty much.

User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 42
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8572 times:

I sell my photos here...
WHY?
Because it is a good faith effort to keep our community happy.
A kid who might want his dad to buy him a small airplane poster....
The sales function here is for those sales. NOT for commercial sales.
I owe alot to airliners.net ..This site has made me many good commercial sales that I never would have received without Johan and the crew...
The small money I make here I will use for double first class days...
Mark Garfinkel


25 Clickhappy : I owe alot to airliners.net .. This is the part that everybody forgets. Your middle name would be "so what" if it wasn't for websites like this.
26 D L X : I'm pretty sure he'd still be a photojournalist for the heavy-hitter newspapers in Boston without this site.
27 Clickhappy : I wasn't talking about Mark. I was talking about all the people complaining.
28 D L X : Fair enough, but can you address their point? I hadn't thought much about it, but it seems like a pretty good point.
29 Clickhappy : address what point? That they don't like the photo sales option Johan gives them? If you don't like it, don't sign up. Thats all I can really say, I d
30 Post contains links Eksath : Actually, my middle name is well defined by my parents when they listed my middle name on my birth certificate. And it is has nothing to do with the
31 D L X : I'm quite capable of making that decision, but I appreciate your well-thought-out advice. Maybe you should learn something about it then before you c
32 Post contains images JeffM : Suresh, thanks for your work (your day job, not your photography ) Anyone progressing the science of the heart gets a sincere thank-you from me. I've
33 Post contains images Jorge1812 : well said Georg
34 Flyfisher1976 : Without mincing words... No, they weren't "prints", they were jpegs that I licenced for one time use in a publication. I was only trying to make a ro
35 Jorge1812 : Thats true but I think if somebody wants a pic for publication (printed/online/...) he would use the contact information instead of buying a print an
36 Post contains links Administrator : Hi guys, As explained in the thread linked to from the upload page ( Photo Print Sales Ready! (by Administrator May 25 2005 in Aviation Photography) )
37 Post contains images Skidmarks : Thanks for the clarification and the update Johan. One question. Under the proposed new system, will we still have the option to buy First Class days?
38 Aviopic : Johan now we have your attention. How's is the "large" print sales doing ? are you more positive about that ? I am still thinking whether to upload or
39 Tappan : Johan, Please, please make sure that there is a large lettered statement right there for the buying public to see that states something like -----> PR
40 Eksath : Thanks Jeff! Shoot me an email if you want a second or third opinion on heart stuff. Johan, Thanks for the info. and you attention to this. Mark..i c
41 EDDL : Hi Willem, I am currently beta-testing the new "large prints upload". Check my photos ... All bugs have been eliminated (thanks to Henrik). This sect
42 Aviopic : Thanks Phil, I'll keep an eye on it.
43 Opso1 : I've just deleted all of my photos for sale option. I've sold 63 photos and made $23! Not very impressive! If I knew what ones I sold, it might make u
44 Joge : Guys, I've handly made 5 USD with my photo sales, LOL! Can the money be used on A.net merchandise in case I feel like the 50 USD limit is something ab
45 DC3 : Or perhaps all these "odds and ends" could be donated to a charity if the photographers so wished?
46 Jorge1812 : Good idea. Georg
47 Joge : I'm totally with you here. I hope Johan is reading this. I'm uploading photos here for fun, not to make profit. I do have my photos for sale, but tha
48 Jorge1812 : Or we give it to Anet as part of the new Server fund which comes up sometimes when the site is overloaded. Georg
49 AndrewUber : Only for the photographers.
50 QANTAS077 : for the question by Suresh...i've sold the sold the same photo twice to a major airline down here in the last 6 months, pulled my photos from sale on
51 Eksath : I agree. Commercial sales are not an issue with me as they are independent of this. However, I still think these private use sales are ridiculously l
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