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User currently offlineBrett From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 34 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4449 times:

Morning everyone
Firstly, woke up to another rejection - this time for "oversharpened". Is there any saving this pic?

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20061104_N121UA-2006-10-14.jpg

Any advice once again would be most appreciatted.

Next thing, I took some pics yesterday morning but due to the fact that I was standing directly below the flight path I missed out on getting the reg. number of most of the planes I was shooting. I went to Sydney Airport site and all I can say for sure is that this was QF2 arriving at 6:50am London/Bangkok.

Now, for the good stuff. After uploading the pics I did a search in the forum looking for tips and found this link....

Your Best Editing Tip.... (by Glennstewart Jan 4 2005 in Aviation Photography)

After following the instructions almost verbatim it turned this...

http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.fil...9581&filename=11626736705s778z.jpg

...into this!

http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.fil...9581&filename=1162673885eD4ZyA.jpg

I was so excited I nearly threw up!!! I know this pic won't make the DB but geeez, I'm sure as I start taking better quality pics this along will go a long way in helping to get more acceptances. Thanks to all who posted in that thread.  Smile

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User currently offline9V From China, joined Aug 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4445 times:

Quoting Brett (Thread starter):
woke up to another rejection - this time for "oversharpened". Is there any saving this pic?

What method are you using to sharpen that photo?


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4415 times:

Quoting Brett (Thread starter):
Any advice once again would be most appreciatted.

I for one have quit using USM. Smart Sharpen on it's own layer mask works sooooooooo much better.

Nice photo, I would give it another try.


User currently offlineAussie18 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1753 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4398 times:
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Hi Brett,
Did you try the one i did for you?
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7315/n121uaet9.jpg


User currently offlinePictureThis From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 196 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4386 times:

You can see the oversharpening on this one around the edge of the blue part of the Aircraft at the bottom. Also on the tower.

This can probably be avoided by creating a duplicate layer then sharpening (possibly less aswell), and erasing the areas which look oversharpened in the end.



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User currently offlineAvsfan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 250 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4343 times:

Quoting JeffM (Reply 2):
I for one have quit using USM. Smart Sharpen on it's own layer mask works sooooooooo much better.

You are the second individual I have personally seen to mention this in the past week (the other was through an instant message). I dont remember if you demonstrated this technique in your tutorial that I read on the Rocky Mountain Aviation Photos website, but if you could pass on your technique/workflow for using "Smart Sharpen", then that would be greatly appreciated.

On other forums and websites some people have also talked about using the "High Pass Filter" option to help with correcting sharpness. I have experimented with this technique and was able to see some good results.



"Oh I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth...Put out my hand and touched the face of God"
User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4313 times:

Quoting Avsfan (Reply 5):
I dont remember if you demonstrated this technique in your tutorial that I read on the Rocky Mountain Aviation Photos website, but if you could pass on your technique/workflow for using "Smart Sharpen", then that would be greatly appreciated.

No, at the time I wrote that, I don't think smart sharpen was available. Basically, you dupe your layer, select smart sharpen, set to what ever looks best, then select layer mask, hide all, then use a white brush with the opacity around 30-40% and brush only the areas you want to sharpen. If you want more sharpening, just increase the opacity, if you need less, lessen the opacity. Or if you spill the sharpening over something you didn't want to sharpen, just switch to the black brush, and it will remove what you want.

That is the beauty of a mask. You can undo something an unlimited number of times, whereas just erasing it is permanent.


User currently offlineAvsfan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 250 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4288 times:

Thanks for the input. Unfortunately I use PSE 5.0 and will have to see if I can accomplish all of that with the program. I am still trying to learn all of the nifty features of the program.


"Oh I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth...Put out my hand and touched the face of God"
User currently offlineBrett From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4227 times:

Excuse my ignorance guys (and delay in responding - it takes me a while to digest the info Jeff has laid out) but I cant quite figure out how to do the Smart Sharpen in PS7.

Jeff, could you possibly direct me to a link that'll explain it to a 2 year old? :-/


User currently offlineDiezel From Netherlands, joined Oct 2002, 646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4217 times:

Quoting Brett (Reply 8):
it takes me a while to digest the info Jeff has laid out) but I cant quite figure out how to do the Smart Sharpen in PS7.

"Smart Sharpen" is an option which is available in Photoshop CS2 (I guess this is version 9 or so). It is not available in PS7.

Roel.



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User currently offlineAvsfan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 250 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4201 times:

Smart sharpen is available in Photoshop Elements 5.0 also, but the ability to do layer masks is not (that I know of). I believe that there are both free and payware add-ons for PSE 5.0 that will give you the ability to use layer mask. You can take a look at this website : http://hiddenelements.com/elements4_tools.html to see what they have to offer as free add-ons for PSE programs.

This thread also talks about free add-ons for PSE programs.
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...tion_photography/read.main/258689/



"Oh I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth...Put out my hand and touched the face of God"
User currently offlineLinco22 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1380 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4177 times:

Jeff,

Can I use smart sharpen in Elements? Or maybe i'm being daft and you have coined this technique as 'smart sharpening' yourself?

Regards
Colin  Smile


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4162 times:

No. Smart Sharpen is an option in CS2.

User currently offlineLinco22 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1380 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4149 times:

Quoting JeffM (Reply 12):
No. Smart Sharpen is an option in CS2

 Sad Always the way. Would there be a technique that you can use in elements(V4.0)


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