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User currently offlineLongbowPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 577 posts, RR: 4
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4268 times:
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http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...jections/big/20061107_100_0911.JPG

This photo was recently rejected and I'm having a hard time understanding the reason of "centering"

I understand that the first helicopter in the picture is not centered, but that was not the point of the photograph. It was the line of helicopters parked on the pads.

I do not understand what info they were looking for other then the info provided. All the blocks were filled in, and instructions followed.

Quality is something that always escapes me. They want a HIGH QUALITY photo, but at dimensions that produce noise, and blurred photos. Additionally I look on A.net and there are far more pictures out there that are grossly distorted over mine.

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.

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User currently offlineUA935 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 610 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4261 times:

Hi,

The centering issue is down to the dead space on the left hand side of the image, you would need to crop closer to the front of the helicopters.

I assume it was also rejected for info and quality?

Info - Did you tick the night/dusk box on the upload screen, in view of the light this would have been the appropriate category.

Quality - Unfortunatley I do not think that the quality is there for this image to be accepted on the database. I am at work not using the best monitor in the world but the image looks quite grainy to me and the image is soft.

Sorry about this but I fear that this is one for your own collection and not for the database.

Regards

Simon



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User currently offlineBigPhilNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4076 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4259 times:

Hi Longbow,

Firstly, I would personally advise to not compare your rejections to others that have been accepted in the database, as many consider it to be rude.

As for your photo, it's a nice shot!

I can see the center issue. There is a large gap off to the left side that has just too much dead space.

When it comes to the quality of your shot, The minimum upload size is 1024x683. That photo there is 1600 wide, and you really shouldn't upload it at that size unless your camera and the photo can produce the quality that warrants such a large photo.

Although even if you do shrink it, the photo was taken in poor light conditions that you can't control and I see a lot of compression which affects its crispness.

Asfar as info goes, I can't tell what info you put in or what it's asking for, or even what the upload info would be for those helicopters, so maybe someone else can help you out with that.

Hope you keep on trying.  Smile

-Phil Derner, Jr.



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User currently offlineUA935 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 610 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4245 times:

Upload info should be Helicopter, Military and dusk/night category.


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User currently offlineCalgaryBill From Canada, joined May 2006, 686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 4218 times:

I agree with the other guys - too much dead space on the right. If the space was filled with a beautiful sunset it might be more artistic, but the grass isn't interesting.

Quality - Unfortunatley I do not think that the quality is there for this image to be accepted on the database..... the image looks quite grainy to me and the image is soft.

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User currently offlineLongbowPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 577 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4195 times:
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Thanks for the info guys, I forgot to think about the crowd that will look at this. For the 64D Pilots and Crew Chiefs this photo has more in it then the untrained eye of a civilian (no offense). THe "Dead SPace" you all refer too is a critical symbol of safety with loaded birds. It is a crucial part of this shot to signify they are armed and parked infront of a high burm for fear a round could cook off or accidentally discharge. I can see though how that it wouldn't be known to everyone, that was some ignorance on my part.

The info was exactly as stated, but for some reason "still" incorrect, but it is a learning experiance.

I hear what you are all saying about quality, but not hearing any recommendations on what to do to take better ones...

I am a fan of criticism guys, just need some direction at the same time.

Appreciate any/all input.


User currently offlineAcontador From Chile, joined Jul 2005, 1417 posts, RR: 31
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4183 times:
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Hi Longbowpilot,

The best way you can get a proper feeling of what "A.net quality" is is just having a look at all recently uploaded Apache pictures, and compare them to yours.

For the beginning, try to stick to sunshine (from your back) and side-on shots of non-moving objects, and later you can progressively add variables to it. And use a decent camera, set at highest quality/resolution with no in-camera processing, and get acquainted with PS (or any other image processing tool you might have). There are plenty of threads in this forum about camera settings, photo shooting and post-processing techniques.



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User currently offlinePictureThis From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 196 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4171 times:

Quoting Acontador (Reply 6):
The best way you can get a proper feeling of what "A.net quality" is is just having a look at all recently uploaded Apache pictures, and compare them to yours.

Good advice this.

Also upload at 1024 to start off with it helps with the quality.



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User currently offlineLongbowPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 577 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4140 times:
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Now that is some good info, thanks fellas.

BBL with something I hope.


User currently offlineCalgaryBill From Canada, joined May 2006, 686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4117 times:

Quoting LongbowPilot (Reply 5):
THe "Dead SPace" you all refer too is a critical symbol of safety with loaded birds. It is a crucial part of this shot to signify they are armed and parked infront of a high burm for fear a round could cook off or accidentally discharge. I can see though how that it wouldn't be known to everyone, that was some ignorance on my part.

Include that information in the comments, it makes the picture more interesting to viewers (although I doubt it would affect whether the shot got in or not). You could kill the dead space by taking the shot from another angle, such as a rear quartering shot of the helicopter with the burm in the background. That way you still get the context you were trying to show, and you eliminate the dead space.

Quoting LongbowPilot (Thread starter):
They want a HIGH QUALITY photo, but at dimensions that produce noise, and blurred photos.

As you reduce resolution it does make for a more grainy picture, but it also flattens the colour of smooth areas, effectively hiding some of the noise.

Quoting LongbowPilot (Reply 5):
I hear what you are all saying about quality, but not hearing any recommendations on what to do to take better ones...

Well, you didn't really give us enough to go on. One of the biggest problems I see is the overall grain/noise issue. That could be caused by one, or a combination of: ISO setting, resolution, file format used, length of exposure, amount of available light, etc. Without knowing the settings you used or the lighting situation, we can't really say much to help you nail the same shot next try.

You could certainly do some noise cleanup, sharpening and contrast work to make the photo worth keeping for your personal collection, but I don't think it'll make A.net. The suggestion above about looking at other A.net photo's is good - you'll see what we mean about the noise issues by zooming in on flat areas like the side of the Apache in yours and other pic's. I highly recommend "Photoshop CS2 for Photographers" by Martin Evening if you want to learn in depth how to use Photoshop.

B


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