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Canon EOS 1d Mark II Or The Mark II N  
User currently offlineSingel09 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 150 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7628 times:
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All,

I am in doubt whether I should buy the Canon EOS 1D Mark II or the Canon EOS 1D Mark II N?

I can buy a Canon EOS 1D Mark II for Euro 1250, NEW, body only. Norwegian camera.

Seems like a very good price, but not sure if I should save more money and go for the Canon EOS 1D Mark II N.

Any advice ??

Thanks!

Mause

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User currently offlineINNflight From Switzerland, joined Apr 2004, 3766 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7608 times:

1250 euros for a NEW 1DmkII??? That's a hell of a deal, should be rather careful I guess. New one's here (acc. to a lowprice website) are around 3200 and up Big grin


Jet Visuals
User currently offlineInterpaul From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 409 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7593 times:

Get the 1D2. I love my 1D2n, but the difference between them is not worth 2000 euros. If you can get a new one for 1250 euros (!!!), then don't hesitate to buy it....if you trust the seller.  Wink

Jan


User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 41
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7556 times:

How about the Mark 11 N or the 5D ??

User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7547 times:

Quoting Tappan (Reply 3):
How about the Mark 11 N



Quoting Singel09 (Thread starter):
or the Canon EOS 1D Mark II N?

It's also two, not eleven.

Quoting Tappan (Reply 3):
or the 5D ??

Hasn't got in-built vertical grip, hasn't got weather sealing, hasn't got 1.3 crop, hasn't got 8.5 fps. (just 3 fps.).


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7545 times:

Quoting Aero145 (Reply 4):
hasn't got 1.3 crop,

That is exactly why people buy it.


User currently offlineFiveholer From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1013 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7537 times:

Heh, I am starting to wonder how things would be without the crop. Alas, I don't have 4K to spend on a camera body...not yet anyway. Big grin

Danny



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User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7523 times:

Quoting Fiveholer (Reply 6):
Heh, I am starting to wonder how things would be without the crop. Alas, I don't have 4K to spend on a camera body...not yet anyway.

Well, the 5D is something like $2500. Just a thought.

Then again, every lens you use for aviation photography would suddenly become less adequate...



Better to be nouveau than never to have been riche at all.
User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7515 times:

Quoting JeffM (Reply 5):
That is exactly why people buy it.

Yep, but wouldn't want your 100-400 to be 640mm on your 30D (or 520mm on the 1D) rather than 400mm on a 5D?


User currently offlineINNflight From Switzerland, joined Apr 2004, 3766 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7501 times:

Yet once again David tells a pro (not the average A.net-pro, but the Mark Garfinkel-pro  ) about equipment, advantages and disadvantages. Yay, pleasure to read.   

I guess Mark is well aware it's not 1D 11(eleven)N but rather 1D 11(two > II)N  

Quoting Aero145 (Reply 4):
in-built vertical grip

Wanted to ask this in the thread for Sabena690 already, why would somebody be so obsessed by grips?

Quoting Aero145 (Reply 4):
hasn't got 8.5 fps

Ever needed those for aviation? Must be a darn fast Cessna you shoot... 

Cheers and a plesant Sat evening!
Florian

edit: spelling

[Edited 2006-11-25 20:22:23]


Jet Visuals
User currently offlineInterpaul From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 409 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7489 times:

Quoting INNflight (Reply 9):
Quoting Aero145 (Reply 4):
hasn't got 8.5 fps

Ever needed those for aviation? Honestly?

I hope nobody buys a 1D only to take pictures of planes.  worried 

Jan


User currently offlineLOCsta From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 306 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7467 times:
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Quoting Aero145 (Reply 8):
Yep, but wouldn't want your 100-400 to be 640mm on your 30D (or 520mm on the 1D) rather than 400mm on a 5D?

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but can't you crop the full frame 5D image down to the 1.4 of the 30D and still have at least equal if not better quality?
5D is 12.8mp. I love it but, I also like wide angle shots.



Missed 4 chasing 1
User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7460 times:

Quoting LOCsta (Reply 12):
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but can't you crop the full frame 5D image down to the 1.4 of the 30D and still have at least equal if not better quality?
5D is 12.8mp. I love it but, I also like wide angle shots.

I'm not going to make a single correction on what you said 'cause I'm not going to stand under still other bashing from the "pros".

But, from my experience with the 5D, you don't get the equal or better quality, you get less quality, but still very good! Close to the 20D/30D 1.6 croppes IMO.

Maybe someone else has got better quality by cropping from the 5D photos... that's of course very good.


User currently offlineDehowie From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 1060 posts, RR: 33
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7424 times:

Comparinga 5D to a 1 series body is like comparing apples to oranges.
The 1 series is built like a tank,shoots at 8.5fps has a AF system that leaves every other camera i have ever seen except the Nikon F5 for dead.
1.3 crop is good with aviation but it shines when shooting stuff like motor car racing/boat racing at close range where the AI servo truely shines.
Little difference between the 1Dmk2 and the MK2n so if you can getr it at that price run to get it.
You will not regret it for a second.
Darren



2EOS1DX,EF14.2.8LII,17TS,85/1.2,16-35L,24-70LII,24L,70-200F2.8LII,100-400,300/400/500/800L
User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5697 posts, RR: 44
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7404 times:
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Quoting Aero145 (Reply 11):
You want to get the best, and shoot many frames to get something to browse through.

Ah, the machine gun approach to photography, on your 5fps camera if your shutter speed is 1/500 sec you will miss 99% of the action.
So 8.5FPS is better because at 1/500 sec you only miss 98.3% of the action!!  
Understanding your subject, anticipating what is likely to happen counts for much more than FPS

Quoting LOCsta (Reply 12):
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but can't you crop the full frame 5D image down to the 1.4 of the 30D and still have at least equal if not better quality?

The 5D & 30D, I believe(and I should research this perhaps) the actual pixel density on the sensor of the 5D is slightly less than the 30D so applying the equivalent crop factor to a 5D image will likely produce an inferior image, all other things being equal.
EDIT: I did do the research, cropping a 5D image down to give same field of view as a 30D image results in 5Mpixel image compared to the 8.2Mpixel from the 30D.

Having said that would I turn down a 5D? no way, but will likely keep saving for the ID mkII N

Cheers

[Edited 2006-11-26 02:30:32]


If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days ago) and read 7391 times:

Quoting Aero145 (Reply 8):
Yep, but wouldn't want your 100-400 to be 640mm on your 30D (or 520mm on the 1D) rather than 400mm on a 5D?

How would you do that? My 100-400 is 100-400 on my10d and 30d.
Cropping the image is not the same as increasing the focal length.


User currently offlineRes From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 417 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7306 times:

 eyebrow I'm in the same situation, trying to make a decision on a Mark II or Mark II N.
Other than the Mark II N being two years newer, how do the two cameras compare when it comes down to the sensor? One is 16.7mp (wow!) and one is "only" 8.2mp.... Is it noticeable? I know there's a point where anything more than a certain amount of mega pixels is not noticeable, but how about these cameras?
Appreciate any input.
Thanks!  wave  wave 



FLY NAVY
User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7280 times:

Quoting JeffM (Reply 15):
How would you do that? My 100-400 is 100-400 on my10d and 30d.

Urgh, I forgot to put effectively there!  banghead 


User currently offlineLinco22 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1380 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7277 times:

I've had the pleasure of trying the N. Its in a different league to 300/350/400/30/20/5D in terms of speed performance. All other points from above included.

You really don't need anything more than 300D for speed for aviation photography. Forward thinking is the key.

Regards
Colin


User currently offlineInterpaul From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 409 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7270 times:

Quoting Res (Reply 16):
eyebrow I'm in the same situation, trying to make a decision on a Mark II or Mark II N.
Other than the Mark II N being two years newer, how do the two cameras compare when it comes down to the sensor? One is 16.7mp (wow!) and one is "only" 8.2mp.... Is it noticeable? I know there's a point where anything more than a certain amount of mega pixels is not noticeable, but how about these cameras?
Appreciate any input.
Thanks! wave wave

I think you're confusing something here. Both the Canon 1D Mk.II and the newer Canon 1D Mk.IIn have 8,2mp with a 1,3 crop factor. A new 1D2n is sold for around 3000 euros. The 1D Mk.IIn has a bigger 2,5" display and some additional features but both cameras produce the same image quality in my opinion.

The one with 16,7mp on fullframe is the 1Ds Mk.II. which costs around 6500 euros.

Jan


User currently offlineRes From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 417 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7237 times:

Quoting Interpaul (Reply 19):
I think you're confusing something here. Both the Canon 1D Mk.II and the newer Canon 1D Mk.IIn have 8,2mp with a 1,3 crop factor. A new 1D2n is sold for around 3000 euros. The 1D Mk.IIn has a bigger 2,5" display and some additional features but both cameras produce the same image quality in my opinion.

The one with 16,7mp on fullframe is the 1Ds Mk.II. which costs around 6500 euros.

Yes, Thats what i meant - the 1Ds Mk II versus the 1Ds Mk II N



FLY NAVY
User currently offlineInterpaul From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 409 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7219 times:

Quoting Res (Reply 20):
1Ds Mk II N

But there is no 1Ds Mk.IIn.

Jan


User currently offlineRes From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 417 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7194 times:

Right. I typed both too fast to notice the SMALL mistake.
Now....any feedback to my original question?

Quoting Interpaul (Reply 21):

But there is no 1Ds Mk.IIn.

Jan



FLY NAVY
User currently offlineChris78cpr From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2820 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7190 times:

I own the 1dmkii and have used it for 2 years now. I LOVE this camera, it's built like a tank, takes awesome photos, has amazing speed and is the perfect camera for what i shoot.

I have also used an N and to be honest the only thing i like about the N is the bigger LCD screen, but to be honest the amount i actually use the screen for i do not have any need for the bigger one. I only use the screen for checking histogram and sharpness.

Buy the 1dmkii original and use the saved money on new glass, or a monitor calibration tool or take your wife for dinner.

Chris



5D2/7D/1D2(soon to be a 1Dx) 17-40L/24-105L/70-200F2.8L/100-400L/24F1.4LII/50F1.2L/85F1.2LII
User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3149 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7186 times:

Quoting Chris78cpr (Reply 23):
or take your wife for dinner.

Yes, but don't spent the whole money on that dinner.

Nice to read such words on Anet were most people seem to be married with their acceptance ratio these days.

Georg

[Edited 2006-11-27 21:29:11]

25 Post contains images Singel09 : Thanks for all the feedback. Seems the 1D MARK II is the one, dont care for bigger lcd. I considered the 5D, but that is slower then the Mark II, has
26 Honcircle : I would take the 1dMKIIN . I have also one and when you are spotting and you start with 8,5 pics in the second it is so great. Take the N and you will
27 Post contains images INNflight : Would you mind posting some of your 8.5fpsN photos? Can't wait to feel the speed ( I only have 3.6 pics a second or something ) and would love to see
28 Post contains images Tom3 : Nice that you own such a great camera for your age (13-15) Please show us some examples Tom
29 Jorge1812 : Well spot, reminds me of the 13-15 yr. old talking about his S500 Mercedes he owns and the ones his wife and kids were driving. Maybe that isn't the
30 Post contains images INNflight : Now we've got two that should blend in perfectly
31 StealthZ : I am with Flo, I would love to see what this 8.5FPS rate does for you, my humble 5FPS frustrates me so much I use single shot mode 90% of the time Ch
32 Aero145 : at Yeh! I'm interested in seeing that 8.5 fps. too.
33 LHRSIMON : Im saving at the moment for a 1D Mk II N.... The 8.5 FPS is the main reason for me as i cover Ice Hockey. And you sure do need the speed , unlike in a
34 Post contains links and images Aero145 : Hello Simon. Sorry that I used a 1D II for this, but AFAIK 1D/1DII/1DIIn/1Ds/1DsII share the same body, so the selector wheel is there, and the button
35 Post contains images LHRSIMON : Thanks for that David.. The photos i found did not show what i needed. But the ones you supplied clearly show the buttons are where i need them. Thank
36 Post contains images Aero145 : My pleasure! Very good! Now, you know. Regards, David
37 Post contains links and images Honcircle : Here is my 1DMKIIN And for the other ones which kind of pics do you want. Of the 8,5 sec pics are 1 or 2 super and the other ones are deleted. But yo
38 Jorge1812 : And here's the pic of my Porsche (the red car in the background is my Ferrari)....just kidding. Those pics tell nothing. But there's no way for you to
39 Post contains images Aero145 : Yes, and the Canon EF 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6L IS USM lens attached. David
40 LHRman : Or is it your mum or dads? Thanks.. Dave
41 Honcircle : look at my homepage melichtenheld.funpic.de there are some examples of my pics regards m
42 Jorge1812 : So 13-15 isn't your real age????? If it is than working as freelance Press Photog isn't allowed, at least in Germany IIRC. Georg
43 Honcircle : I am from Austria and it is OK for me ok won't start a discussion about it. Regards maximilian
44 Post contains images INNflight : IF you are the freelancer you claim to be you might update your website, 80% of your photos are non-existant A bit of friendliness on the forums might
45 Honcircle : Yes sorry but this discussion was discussed to often in forums. the homepage is now updated and everybody is able to see the pics. regards maximilian
46 Tom3 : Can't see any real pics of aircrafts , just of the interior.. And in the section ''About me'' you say that you own only the Canon 350D*+18-55 and not
47 Honcircle : Didn´t say that there are any pics of planes . I said that I started with an Eos 350 D. I don´t want to impress somebody , I don´t have to impress
48 Post contains images Manzoori : Bringing this topic back on track, Whilst I don't own either the 1DmkII or 1DmkIIN I have had the pleasure of using the 1DmkII briefly and was mightli
49 Honcircle : Yeah it sounds like a machine gun. The Af is soooooo fast if you compare it with a 350D or so. It i great,
50 Chris78cpr : How do you find the 28-300??? Im thinking of buying one at some point for press work where i need to have a large range in one lens. How do you find t
51 Honcircle : Yeah, the 28-300 is fit for presswork. The Af is fast, and the IS is really usefull. I think it is better than the 100-400 and the 70-200 because I us
52 Chris78cpr : Ta for the advice, ill be picking it up next year when i pick up a full frame camera to use for press work. Whatever gets replaced 1st the 5D or the 1
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