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User currently offlineDee-see-eit From Spain, joined Jan 2000, 435 posts, RR: 24
Posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3029 times:

Thanks a lot to fellow a.net photographer Michael McLaughlin, who informed me about another "funny" copyright violation.

A guy is selling one of my photos via ebay, and it seems he/she has done this with other pics regularly during the last months...

This is the link, in case you want to see it:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1010991737

And this is the original he took from a.net:


Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Marlo Plate



I've got in contact with the seller and the ebay guys to try to stop this kind of fraud...

Regards
DC8
(Marlo Plate)



41 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineHias From Germany, joined Sep 2000, 349 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2724 times:

Hi there,

found another violation by this guys:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1012152407

Not very funny....

Regards

Mathias
www.spotter.de.vu
mathias.henig@gmx.de


User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5497 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

Oh man, I would have never guessed someone would be so stpuid to do that.



User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2710 times:

Simple statistics. What are the chances of someone here hitting on a shot at eBay that they recognise as coming from here?
Chances are low, and some lowlife seems to have figured that out.
Probably acting under a fake userid/address so he cannot be traced either.



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineDee-see-eit From Spain, joined Jan 2000, 435 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2699 times:

Jwenting,

I 100% agree with you. It is basically impossible to stop this kind of things. One of the "bad sides" of the net...

In any case, ebay can remove the images and avoid the same guy to continue (with the same identity).

DC8


User currently offlineHias From Germany, joined Sep 2000, 349 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2695 times:

Hi there,

this has been discussed several times, but now is it time for a protection to save the airliners.net images ? I think yes, as this thread clearly shows. Everyone can save the images from airliners.net and make prints out of them and, in the worst case, sell them for a lot of money.

A spotter at my local airport does this and his business runs quite good as he stated.

If anyone wants to get a image for his personal use, he should contact the photographer who has to decide then.

Hope these copyright violations could be stopped.

Regards

Mathias
www.spotter.de.vu
mathias.henig@gmx.de


User currently offlineStaffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2685 times:

As long as you display the image on the website, someone can steal it.
I read on a webpage about someone who made a hall-of-shame for people who had stolen his photo's. A.net is a well reputated site and a hall-of-shame with a link to all webpages stealing the pictures would at least make the people doing big business of it think twice.

Staffan


User currently offlineHias From Germany, joined Sep 2000, 349 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2675 times:

but you can make it harder or almost impossible for most people to steel the pictures...now it is too easy...

User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2669 times:

The only certain way is not to put them on at all.
Other ways (note these will allienate many people):
- put a huge copyright text over the middle of the image
- stream them in realtime through an applet (can still do a screendump and print that but quality suffers)

Makes it more difficult, but any techsavvy person will be able to work something out easily:
- display the image in several sections, like a jigsaw. Some sites use this to quite good effect. It does require code on the server to chop up the images and build the HTML of course, and someone can still put the pieces back together in Photoshop, but it will deter the casual person
- put a transparent layer over the entire page, preventing the "save image as" option.
Combine the two and enyone will have to go to the browsercache.



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineChris28_17 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1439 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2628 times:

just an idea, how about making image size 800x instead of 1024, or something like that... would that help at all?? just an thought.


CHRIS


User currently offline*Niels* From Netherlands, joined Aug 2001, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2622 times:

The text is also pretty weird, "Iberian Air" a rather old name isn't it??

Lucky enough the Ebay site has only got 70 hits...


User currently offlineMikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2620 times:

I was looking for some Airbus A320 1/144 decals and did a searchf or "Airbus A320" and happen to come across Marlo's IB A320 shot. At first I just thought it was him selling it but when I checked the other auctions and found Tommy's Iran Air 747 shot, I sorta knew they weren't "approved" sales.

Hope you guys are able to take care of this. Check his past auctions and see if he actually did sell any of your shots and bill him for the auction amounts.

Michael


User currently offlineRen41 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1524 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2587 times:

On the Iberia pic,the seller said that the plane was landing at an airstrip in Madrid, but the photo was taken at BCN!! Idiot!!

Ren41


User currently offlineCcrlR From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2579 times:
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Did you tell Johan and Granite(Gary Watt) about what was happening cause if you tell them they might do something too cause I'm glad that I don't have my pictures on it but i'm trying to get them on. I hope you stop them.


"He was right, it is a screaming metal deathtrap!"-Cosmo (from the Fairly Oddparents)
User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3940 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2576 times:

I checked out his other 'alleged' work, most appear to be celeberity oriented with some military aircraft in the mix, the only commercial shots appear to be those of Marlo and Tommy Morgren's.

Time to take out this trash!!!  Pissed  Angry

Thomas



"Show me the Braniffs"
User currently offlineSerge From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1989 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2559 times:

 Pissed  Pissed  Pissed  Pissed  Pissed  Pissed  Pissed  Pissed  Pissed Grrrrrrr.. the anger is uncontrolable over here!!!  Pissed  Pissed  Pissed  Pissed  Pissed  Pissed  Pissed  Pissed  Pissed  Pissed  Pissed That basta*d!  Pissed  Pissed  Pissed  Pissed

User currently offlineMirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3125 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2553 times:

This is incredible, I think the nightmare of any photographer with photos online. I hope anything can be done to stop that idiot.

Luis


User currently offlineJderden777 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1755 posts, RR: 29
Reply 17, posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2544 times:

copyright violations seem to be an ever-occurring deal...geeze this is getting way out of hand...we have to do something...i think some kind of legal action needs to be taken against these people, to show them that we won't just write them some nasty e-mail, but that we will actually take the initiative against them. what do you say? are you with me????!!!

jonathan d.



"my soul is in the sky" - shakespeare
User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2529 times:

The auction of the Iberia A320 has been closed by the seller. Guess he knows that he FUBARed this one.


"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2525 times:

FYI for anyone who hasn't seen this one.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1012152407

Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Tommy Mogren / Viking Slides






"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlineRWL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2505 times:

Gentlemen ,

Being a long time seller on Ebay and having photos here on airliners, I sent the following email to Ebay's Safe Harbor fraud investigation group:

Concerning auctions # xxxxxx , xxxxxx

Dear Sirs,

It has come to my attention that the seller of the above items ( jht-evergreen ) has stolen the copyrighted photos in question from www.airliners.net .

As a longtime Ebay seller , and aircraft photographer who also has copyrighted work on Airliners.net , I am appalled that this " power seller " has the audacity to steal others work & profit from it on Ebay.

As he has apparently been doing this for some time , I would strongly suggest that Ebay investigate and shut down this " power seller ". Unfortunately , he has a pristine feedback rating and consequently, buyers would not be aware that they are purchasing photo's that are illegal and clearly in violation of U.S. copyright law.

For specific proof view the following link : http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=157754 . You will find the exact same photo represented in auction # 1012152407. It is clearly copyrighted to a Mr. Tommy Mogren.

This " power seller " , one " jht-evergreen " has clearly violated Ebay's policies on unlawful selling of copyrighted material more than once. He has also violated United States copyright law. As a photographer myself , I would not be surprised if the photographers of the stolen pictures in question sought legal satisfaction against " jht-evergreen " .

As my wife and I are also long time sellers here on Ebay , we only ask that you take prompt action ( shut down ! ) against " jht-evergreen " so as to avoid any more illegal copyright violations committed against our fellow photographers on airliners.net.

Thank You,

Roger Lybarger & Lori Butcher


**** I'll let you all know what kind of reply I get****

- Roger


User currently offlineMikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2507 times:

The IB A320 auction wasn't ended by him, looks like it was just over and no one bidded on the item. He has it re-listed...

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1012152416

If you check his/her past auctions (includes completed & current auctions) you'll see the IB A320 was listed a few times and also a BA Concorde photo but the picture link no longer works so not sure which photo it was..I bet it was from a.net.

http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=jht-evergreen&sort=3&page=29&rows=25&since=30
Michael


User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3940 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2484 times:

Bravo Roger,

Very nicely put. I may follow this up as well as I sell on EBAY as well.

It might behoove anyone here that sells or purchases on EBAY, to send a similar letter.

Hi Mike,

Thanks for the heads up on this guy, while he may not be selling any of my work (so far), I will monitor his sales from now on.

I have noticied that he is not selling too many photos however. Regardless, he will not be allowed to get away with this blatant act of theft.

Thomas



"Show me the Braniffs"
User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3940 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2476 times:

I too have sent a letter of complaint to EBAY, very similar to that of RWL's

I am curious, if anyone (Marlo or Tommy in particular) has sent an e-mail to the culprit ?

Thomas



"Show me the Braniffs"
User currently offlineMikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 54
Reply 24, posted (12 years 11 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2477 times:

Thomas,

I've received personal emails from both Marlo & Tommy, they are working on it.

I have this guys auctions bookmarked as well and will continue to check'em out in the future to see what he's selling. I'm sure most of the non-aviation photos are probably copyrighted photos snagged from the 'net.

Michael


25 Thomasphoto60 : Thanks Mike, Frankly as an EBAY'er and A.Net'er, I felt the need to send this individual a very strongly worded (no foul language) e-mail (via Ebay).
26 Dee-see-eit : Hi guys, Thanks a lot for your support. This is affecting all of us with photos at a.net or other sites, including own webs. The "seller" has answere
27 Post contains links Tommy Mogren : Hi guys, Thanks for writing to Ebay everyone, we all need to stand united on these copyright violations. I emailed the seller and ebay.com as soon as
28 ADG : Regardless of what he says, he is not "legally entitled" to onsell pictures that he is not the copyright holder of regardless of what he says. Don't l
29 Skyliner : ADG's comments are "right on". Acquiring stolen merchandise does not give you the right to sell it, even if you didn't know it was stolen. This seller
30 Tommy Mogren : Hi, I just emailed the "seller" requesting him AGAIN to remove the auction, as it still is online.... Also requested the information above (Auction ID
31 Staffan : He now knows that the print he is trying to sell is stolen, therefore there is now way in this world that he can justify selling it from now on. In th
32 Dee-see-eit : Hi all, Ebay has just mailed me their reply to my claim about the stolen photos. I don't understand everything, but it seems to be a little bit compli
33 B757300 : Looks like a form letter to me.
34 RWL : Gents, Well , I said I would let you know what kind of a reply I got from Ebay. Here it is: Hello, Thank you for taking the time to submit this inform
35 ADG : As the owner of the copyrighted image is here in this thread (aren't they?), give them the contact eMail for that person at ebay and have them send an
36 Post contains links LOT767-300ER : I was jus wondering did these guys get permission? http://www.suncountryva.com/newchoice.htm ?
37 B757300 : Probably not.......
38 OSU_av8or : I came across an interesting script recently, it eliminated the ability to "right click" thus not allowing someone to "save picture as". You can get a
39 Haligonian : 'it eliminated the ability to "right click" thus not allowing someone to "save picture as". ' Even that can't be relied upon. I saw a tip in 2600 a fe
40 Airplanenut : You can also defeat it by going to file -> Save As... the HTML for the page, along with every image on it, is saved.... 2 ways right click has been de
41 Post contains images Aircanon : That script does´nt work when using IE 6.0 As soon as you point the mouse on a picture a little window appears on the upper left of the photo includi
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