Dazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5447 posts, RR: 53 Reply 2, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1660 times:
Oh man, I would have never guessed someone would be so stpuid to do that.
Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 21 Reply 3, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1664 times:
Simple statistics. What are the chances of someone here hitting on a shot at eBay that they recognise as coming from here?
Chances are low, and some lowlife seems to have figured that out.
Probably acting under a fake userid/address so he cannot be traced either.
Hias From Germany, joined Sep 2000, 349 posts, RR: 14 Reply 5, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1649 times:
Hi there,
this has been discussed several times, but now is it time for a protection to save the airliners.net images ? I think yes, as this thread clearly shows. Everyone can save the images from airliners.net and make prints out of them and, in the worst case, sell them for a lot of money.
A spotter at my local airport does this and his business runs quite good as he stated.
If anyone wants to get a image for his personal use, he should contact the photographer who has to decide then.
Staffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1639 times:
As long as you display the image on the website, someone can steal it.
I read on a webpage about someone who made a hall-of-shame for people who had stolen his photo's. A.net is a well reputated site and a hall-of-shame with a link to all webpages stealing the pictures would at least make the people doing big business of it think twice.
Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 21 Reply 8, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1623 times:
The only certain way is not to put them on at all.
Other ways (note these will allienate many people):
- put a huge copyright text over the middle of the image
- stream them in realtime through an applet (can still do a screendump and print that but quality suffers)
Makes it more difficult, but any techsavvy person will be able to work something out easily:
- display the image in several sections, like a jigsaw. Some sites use this to quite good effect. It does require code on the server to chop up the images and build the HTML of course, and someone can still put the pieces back together in Photoshop, but it will deter the casual person
- put a transparent layer over the entire page, preventing the "save image as" option.
Combine the two and enyone will have to go to the browsercache.
Chris28_17 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1439 posts, RR: 11 Reply 9, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1582 times:
just an idea, how about making image size 800x instead of 1024, or something like that... would that help at all?? just an thought.
Mikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 56 Reply 11, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1574 times:
I was looking for some Airbus A320 1/144 decals and did a searchf or "Airbus A320" and happen to come across Marlo's IB A320 shot. At first I just thought it was him selling it but when I checked the other auctions and found Tommy's Iran Air 747 shot, I sorta knew they weren't "approved" sales.
Hope you guys are able to take care of this. Check his past auctions and see if he actually did sell any of your shots and bill him for the auction amounts.
CcrlR From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2204 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1533 times:
Did you tell Johan and Granite(Gary Watt) about what was happening cause if you tell them they might do something too cause I'm glad that I don't have my pictures on it but i'm trying to get them on. I hope you stop them.
"He was right, it is a screaming metal deathtrap!"-Cosmo (from the Fairly Oddparents)
Thomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3723 posts, RR: 25 Reply 14, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1530 times:
I checked out his other 'alleged' work, most appear to be celeberity oriented with some military aircraft in the mix, the only commercial shots appear to be those of Marlo and Tommy Morgren's.
Jderden777 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1747 posts, RR: 33 Reply 17, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1498 times:
copyright violations seem to be an ever-occurring deal...geeze this is getting way out of hand...we have to do something...i think some kind of legal action needs to be taken against these people, to show them that we won't just write them some nasty e-mail, but that we will actually take the initiative against them. what do you say? are you with me????!!!
B757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 25 Reply 18, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1483 times:
The auction of the Iberia A320 has been closed by the seller. Guess he knows that he FUBARed this one.
B757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 25 Reply 19, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1479 times:
RWL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1459 times:
Gentlemen ,
Being a long time seller on Ebay and having photos here on airliners, I sent the following email to Ebay's Safe Harbor fraud investigation group:
Concerning auctions # xxxxxx , xxxxxx
Dear Sirs,
It has come to my attention that the seller of the above items ( jht-evergreen ) has stolen the copyrighted photos in question from www.airliners.net .
As a longtime Ebay seller , and aircraft photographer who also has copyrighted work on Airliners.net , I am appalled that this " power seller " has the audacity to steal others work & profit from it on Ebay.
As he has apparently been doing this for some time , I would strongly suggest that Ebay investigate and shut down this " power seller ". Unfortunately , he has a pristine feedback rating and consequently, buyers would not be aware that they are purchasing photo's that are illegal and clearly in violation of U.S. copyright law.
For specific proof view the following link : http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=157754 . You will find the exact same photo represented in auction # 1012152407. It is clearly copyrighted to a Mr. Tommy Mogren.
This " power seller " , one " jht-evergreen " has clearly violated Ebay's policies on unlawful selling of copyrighted material more than once. He has also violated United States copyright law. As a photographer myself , I would not be surprised if the photographers of the stolen pictures in question sought legal satisfaction against " jht-evergreen " .
As my wife and I are also long time sellers here on Ebay , we only ask that you take prompt action ( shut down ! ) against " jht-evergreen " so as to avoid any more illegal copyright violations committed against our fellow photographers on airliners.net.
Thank You,
Roger Lybarger & Lori Butcher
**** I'll let you all know what kind of reply I get****
Mikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 56 Reply 21, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1461 times:
The IB A320 auction wasn't ended by him, looks like it was just over and no one bidded on the item. He has it re-listed...
If you check his/her past auctions (includes completed & current auctions) you'll see the IB A320 was listed a few times and also a BA Concorde photo but the picture link no longer works so not sure which photo it was..I bet it was from a.net.
Thomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3723 posts, RR: 25 Reply 22, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1438 times:
Bravo Roger,
Very nicely put. I may follow this up as well as I sell on EBAY as well.
It might behoove anyone here that sells or purchases on EBAY, to send a similar letter.
Hi Mike,
Thanks for the heads up on this guy, while he may not be selling any of my work (so far), I will monitor his sales from now on.
I have noticied that he is not selling too many photos however. Regardless, he will not be allowed to get away with this blatant act of theft.
Thomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3723 posts, RR: 25 Reply 23, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1430 times:
I too have sent a letter of complaint to EBAY, very similar to that of RWL's
I am curious, if anyone (Marlo or Tommy in particular) has sent an e-mail to the culprit ?
Mikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 56 Reply 24, posted (11 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1431 times:
Thomas,
I've received personal emails from both Marlo & Tommy, they are working on it.
I have this guys auctions bookmarked as well and will continue to check'em out in the future to see what he's selling. I'm sure most of the non-aviation photos are probably copyrighted photos snagged from the 'net.
Michael
25 Thomasphoto60: Thanks Mike, Frankly as an EBAY'er and A.Net'er, I felt the need to send this individual a very strongly worded (no foul language) e-mail (via Ebay).
26 Dee-see-eit: Hi guys, Thanks a lot for your support. This is affecting all of us with photos at a.net or other sites, including own webs. The "seller" has answere
27 Tommy Mogren: Hi guys, Thanks for writing to Ebay everyone, we all need to stand united on these copyright violations. I emailed the seller and ebay.com as soon as
28 ADG: Regardless of what he says, he is not "legally entitled" to onsell pictures that he is not the copyright holder of regardless of what he says. Don't l
29 Skyliner: ADG's comments are "right on". Acquiring stolen merchandise does not give you the right to sell it, even if you didn't know it was stolen. This seller
30 Tommy Mogren: Hi, I just emailed the "seller" requesting him AGAIN to remove the auction, as it still is online.... Also requested the information above (Auction ID
31 Staffan: He now knows that the print he is trying to sell is stolen, therefore there is now way in this world that he can justify selling it from now on. In th
32 Dee-see-eit: Hi all, Ebay has just mailed me their reply to my claim about the stolen photos. I don't understand everything, but it seems to be a little bit compli
34 RWL: Gents, Well , I said I would let you know what kind of a reply I got from Ebay. Here it is: Hello, Thank you for taking the time to submit this inform
35 ADG: As the owner of the copyrighted image is here in this thread (aren't they?), give them the contact eMail for that person at ebay and have them send an
36 LOT767-300ER: I was jus wondering did these guys get permission? http://www.suncountryva.com/newchoice.htm ?
38 OSU_av8or: I came across an interesting script recently, it eliminated the ability to "right click" thus not allowing someone to "save picture as". You can get a
39 Haligonian: 'it eliminated the ability to "right click" thus not allowing someone to "save picture as". ' Even that can't be relied upon. I saw a tip in 2600 a fe
40 Airplanenut: You can also defeat it by going to file -> Save As... the HTML for the page, along with every image on it, is saved.... 2 ways right click has been de
41 Aircanon: That script does´nt work when using IE 6.0 As soon as you point the mouse on a picture a little window appears on the upper left of the photo includi
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