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User currently offlineAussieAviator From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 78 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2437 times:

At the risk of reinvigorating the Canon -v- Nikon debate - I am keen to purchase a new DSLR (upgrading from the Panasonic DMC-FZ30 consumer camera).

My conundrum is: which camera ?

I have narrowed the manufacturer selection down to either Canon or Nikon. Specifically - the EOS400D or Nikon D80. I would like to be in a position to consider the 30D/5D or Nikon D200 - however, this would be an extravagance I simply cannot justify - considering I am only a novice photographic hobbyist.

I have read many reviews on the EOS400D and D80 - however; each reviewer seems to contradict the other. DP Review presents a fairly unbiased opinion and current camera owners who post on this site, tend to give a pretty good overview of their equipment.

Surprisingly, the Canon EOS 400D does not seem to fair well at all - particularly in terms of image quality! The EOS 400D was initially my preferred choice of camera - however, I am now not so certain? Infact the 300/350D series seem to fair much better?

I know that lens quality and sensor type/size contribute significantly to the end result. To this end, if I purchase the EOS400D - I do intend to buy body only.

Can anyone on this forum page give me some direction please ?

Kindest regards and Merry Christmas to all!

[Edited 2006-12-22 03:00:15]


Graham Slingsby
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User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3300 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2415 times:
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Have you considered the Olympus E-500? It's what I use and while many people are skeptical when I mention it, I've recommended it highly and a couple of people who took my advice said they are thrilled with it. I'm not saying give up on Canon and Nikon, but if you haven't considered it, go to a camera store near you and give it a go. It feels very sturdy, comes with two kit lenses that give you a lot of zoom, has quite a few lens options if you want other lenses, and it's very well-priced.

As for the Canon 400D vs the Nikon D80, my roommates both use those cameras' predecessors (one has the 350D, the other has the D70). I've used both and am keener to recommend the Canon, because of its speed, size, and ease of use.

TIS



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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2375 times:

As a 350D and 400D user I love them both. I'm sure the Nikon D80 is a great camera (in fact, I'm positive), however Nikon's lens line-up simply isn't as good or varied as Canon's. I've seen a lot of reviews with the 400D and D80 going head to head and in most there is no clear winner - in fact the ones I've looked at indicate that the Canon has the better image quality.

At the end of the day it's down to personal preference as neither camera will give you bad results. Do be aware, however, that Nikons tend to produce images with a blueish cast.

Karl


User currently offlineCalgaryBill From Canada, joined May 2006, 686 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2363 times:

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 2):
Do be aware, however, that Nikons tend to produce images with a blueish cast.

That's old news and anyone still having that problem should have upgraded their firmware... like a year ago or more.

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 2):
Nikon's lens line-up simply isn't as good or varied as Canon's.

My camera store offers 57 Nikkor branded lenses. Really, how many lenses does one need? Nikon has taken an aggressive shot at Canon by slashing their prices - which is great for the consumer.

Really, if you're looking at two similarly priced cameras just make sure of two things. First, make sure both have all the features you require. Some consumer level cameras don't have simple features like a cable release socket. If both still meet your requirements, then try them both out. You won't use a camera that you don't like using. I went with Nikon because the controls and menu design made sense to me. If Canon's design works for you then go for it.

Happy hunting!
B


User currently offlineEadster From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2216 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2344 times:

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 1):
Have you considered the Olympus E-500?

Exactly, why does it always have to be about Canon or Nikon? There are many brands out there that are really good competitors with these too. Do some research and I'm sure you'll see that the industry is no longer about just two brands.

What about a Pentax K100D or the K10D (when reading reviews, its said to be a great contender for the canon market), what about the Olympus, Fuji, Sigma, Sony, etc all have DSLR's out there in the market place.


User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2303 times:

Quoting Eadster (Reply 4):
Do some research and I'm sure you'll see that the industry is no longer about just two brands.

Unfortunately a lot of the time it is. There are other very good cameras out there but there just isn't the lens and accessory support out there. If you can name another manufacturer that has an impressive a lens line-up as Canon and, to an ever-so-slight lesser extent, Nikon then I'll eat my hat!

Go out to any airport on any given day and 95% of shooters will be using Canon or Nikon. Surely so many people can't be wrong? I certainly wouldn't go against the trend just to prove a point.

Karl


User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3300 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2247 times:
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Quoting JakTrax (Reply 5):

Go out to any airport on any given day and 95% of shooters will be using Canon or Nikon. Surely so many people can't be wrong? I certainly wouldn't go against the trend just to prove a point.

With all due respect, you can say the same about cars. Not to the same extent, but still...A huge percentage of low- to medium-priced cars (here in the States) are either Japanese or American. But the people who have BMWs and Saabs (for example) are just as happy, and some even happier with the product they purchased.

I'm not saying the Canon and Nikon users are wrong, but at the entry DSLR level, the brands are not noticeably different at all. Lens availability plays a large role, yes, but Canon has such a huge lineup because of the different versions of all their lenses. I mean, there is a 70-200 f4L USM, a 70-200 f4L ISUSM, a 70-200 f2.8L ISUSM, and a 70-200 f2.8L USM. There are, in total, 13 telephoto zoom lenses that cover the 50-300 range, so I'm not even counting the fixed focal length lenses. Olympus has fewer lenses, but none are redundant and their super-high quality lenses are just as good as any Canon L-glass lens. So this argument can go on forever, because nobody is right or wrong for sure. It's all a matter of personal preference.

TIS



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User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3207 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2239 times:

Quoting AussieAviator (Thread starter):
I know that lens quality and sensor type/size contribute significantly to the end result. To this end, if I purchase the EOS400D - I do intend to buy body only.

Personally, if you are new to the DSLR 'world', I'd get the kit. I bought the 400D kit back in September and have not one regret. The 18-55 is a good lens, no matter what people say! Here is an example of the 400D and 18-55mm Kit lens:

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Quoting Eadster (Reply 4):
Exactly, why does it always have to be about Canon or Nikon?

It doesn't have to be, but one thing which pops up into my mind is the amount of lenses/accessories available. Canon and Nikon would be considered the market leaders therefore many companies adapt accessories for both types.

Go for the 400D, You will not regret it!  Smile



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User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3300 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2207 times:
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Let us know what you're going to decide on. I'm curious, I'm sure everyone else is too, since you got quite a few varied opinions!

TIS



www.stellaryear.com: Canon EOS 50D, Canon EOS 5DMkII, Sigma 50mm 1.4, Canon 24-70 2.8L II, Canon 100mm 2.8L, Canon 100-4
User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2173 times:

You're absolutely right, it's a matter of opinion and nobody's right or wrong. I don't think the car arguement quite works though because Jap and US cars are generally more affordable than Mercs or BMWs, and it also depends on where in the world you live.

Personally, I'd go for the 400D, but body only. I once bought the 350D (great camera!) and opted for the kit lens package, which was probably the dumbest thing I ever did. Again, that's my own opinion. The kit lens doesn't do what I want it to do.

Karl


User currently offlineOlegShv From Sweden, joined Mar 2006, 683 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2156 times:

Regarding Nikon D80 vs. Canon 400D: when choosing your first DSLR camera body, think about the big picture. The body does not matter that much in the end since you will find yourself buying a new one in about 3 or 4 years, while your lenses will last you much longer than that. Also, it is likely that you will end up spending more money on glass and other stuff than your first body.

Think of what you will be shooting most. Wide angle, indoor scenes with flash - Nikon is probably the way to go. Telephoto - Canon has a larger variety of telephoto lenses.

Also, go to a local store and hold each camera in your hands. After I held 350D, I did not want it - too plasticky, smallish, cheap flimsy build. D70s' build felt solid like a tank (athough it is also plastic body) and I imagine D80 is the same way. So I liked ergonomics of Nikons better than Canon.

Good luck!


User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4772 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2138 times:
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Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 7):
Personally, if you are new to the DSLR 'world', I'd get the kit. I bought the 400D kit back in September and have not one regret. The 18-55 is a good lens, no matter what people say! Here is an example of the 400D and 18-55mm Kit lens:

I went ahead and as a Christmas present to myself, ordered this kit. Hopefully it will be here tomorrow and I can start playing with it. I am looking forward to using this camera. I have heard nothing but great things. My friend got one a couple weeks ago and I have had the opportunity to play with it a little. I was shopping around at the time, and unsure which camera I should go for. Once I used his, I was sold on the 400D kit.

This will be my first DSLR. I think I am ready. I have the Panasonic DMC-FZ5 and I have absolutely loved it. It has to be, in my opinion, one of the best point and shoot cameras out there. It has helped me produce some wonderful shots. But, it has its limitations and I felt it was time to move up to the next level to meet the needs of my growing interest in photogrpahy.



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User currently offlineNoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2116 times:

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 11):

Welcome to the club! I got a 400D for Christmas with 17-85mm USM/IS packaged, as well as a 75-300mm with USM. I did have an EOS-350 (non-digital) and sold it 2 years ago to go digital, but due to the price this is my first proper DSLR since.

I loved the 350 film camera to bits and love the 400D even better - although the midwinter light's been a little poor for aviation shots in these parts, I've still got a few half-decent shots on my website (link in my profile). Non-av shots over Christmas were great, couldn't be happier.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2113 times:

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 11):
This will be my first DSLR. I think I am ready. I have the Panasonic DMC-FZ5 and I have absolutely loved it. It has to be, in my opinion, one of the best point and shoot cameras out there. It has helped me produce some wonderful shots. But, it has its limitations and I felt it was time to move up to the next level to meet the needs of my growing interest in photogrpahy.

Glad to see you getting the DSLR Ryan it's been a long time coming. Should have been a Nikon though  biggrin  can't wait to see your first pics with it.


User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4772 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 2054 times:
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Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 13):
Glad to see you getting the DSLR Ryan it's been a long time coming. Should have been a Nikon though

Thanks, but um Nikon couldn't beat the price of this Canon! After all, I'm mearly a student on a ramp agent's income.  sorry 

Anyway, the camera came today! I can't put it down! I can't wait to go back to work on Friday (say whaaat??) so I can see how this baby likes airplanes!!  bouncy 



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User currently offlineVref5 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2037 times:

Quoting AussieAviator (Thread starter):
My conundrum is: which camera ?

I'm a Nikon owner but have friends with Canons, and find either to be excellent. I also know an acquaintance whom just evaluated both then bought a Pentax K100D mostly because he already had existing Pentax lens and a long experience with their past cameras. I've read up on the Sony Alpha A100 (they bought out Konica Minolta -- excellent team -- whom designed the A100) and seems decent, too.

To be honest, mate, you're getting too worked up.  Smile

If you're inclined to go for the Canon, then by all means, go for it! Don't hesitate. You can get fine shots with any of the current generation of DSLRs as well as the previous generation. It's really more about how you skillfully use it than it is about the equipment per se. Thus, why sweat it?

You'll be replacing the equipment as time goes by and your skills gets even better, anyhow. At this price point, it's not like you're buying a new car or house.  Smile It's not as cheap as a point-and-shoot camera, granted, but it's not like a AUD $8000 professional camera or anything.

If your budget is limited, you probably want to investigate the Pentax K100D and the Sony Alpha A100. K100D is equiv to prev gen cameras (fine ones, at that!) like the Nikon D50 or D70. A100 is equiv to current gen cameras like the Nikon D80 or Canon EOS 400D (aka Rebel XTi in North America).

The only time you really want to seriously think about what camera you're getting is if you already had a large existing investment in lenses since they are rarely interchangeable with other manufacturers' cameras.

A camera is also something you'll hold in your hands a lot. Does it fit YOURS well? Are you going to share the camera with a significant other? Is it going to fit his/her hands well, too? (Male vs. female hands can be significantly different -- not just in size but heat/sweat, too.) If you expect a significant other to use the camera a lot, too, then make sure they also hand-test it, too!

Tip: go to a good photography store and politely ask to try the Nikon D80, Canon EOS 400D, and if in stock, Pentax K100D and Sony Alpha A100.

You don't have to buy the camera right there and then. You just want to get firsthand impressions of how it feels to hold the camera. It's often cheaper to mail order these things from reputable places, but it depends. You gotta trust YOUR own intuition!

It is true that each camera differs... but in the grand scheme of things, I feel they are relatively minor for the top manufacturers, especially if one is not a professional photographer with extremely exacting and demanding needs.

In time and with practice, your skills will sharpen, and you will decide what you need and what you don't need for your subsequent kits. But for your first camera? You already have heard all the fine choices. Can't really go wrong with any of them. I mean that sincerely; I would myself buy any one of them.

In the end, it is all about capturing beautiful images and having fun! Never, ever forget that. Go and take the first camera you feel comfortable with, then take a billion shots. We'll look forward to seeing your creations on the airliners.net front page some day.  Smile

P.S. Don't forget to get extra batteries, a good camera carrying bag, a battery charger, and high capacity storage media (depends on camera, but usually CompactFlash or SD/SDHC cards).

Which lens to get will depend on which camera you end up getting and more importantly, exactly HOW you plan on taking photos. Lots of close-ups? Wide shots? In dimlit places? Places that prohibits use of flash? Public places or where you need to discreetly take pictures? Etc. All will influence type of lens you want, but the supplied kit lens are generally fine stuff.

If starting out with DSLRs, stick to the supplied kit lens until you start to really need 'something more'. This will avoid you going into the poorhouse unnecessarily or too early.  Smile

Cheers,


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