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Rejected For Motive?  
User currently offlineLIPH From Italy, joined May 2004, 848 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3629 times:

Hy all,
have been recently the following pic rejected also for motive :

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...1116_usair_che_decolla_da_roma.jpg

Cannot understand why...
Any suggestion is welcome.

Thanks.

Regards


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User currently offlineCodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3626 times:

Yeah, a suggestion would be nice. A misunderstanding IMHO.

KS/codeshare



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User currently offlineThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2070 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3614 times:
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The screener hit a wrong button for sure; motivewise the shot is perfectly ok but it's somewhat dark, a little jagged and it could also go for a quality rejection due to the lack of detail.

Thierry



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User currently offlineLanas From Argentina, joined Aug 2006, 978 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3606 times:

Hi

The picture is pretty jagged. Be careful with that. Also can fall for a dark rejection.
As for the motive, I think the issue here is more of a 'distance' rejection. You should be cropping tighter on the plane.
Hope it helps.

Cheers!
Lanas.-



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User currently offlineLIPH From Italy, joined May 2004, 848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3597 times:

Yes, guys,
in fact the shot was also rejected for quality, dark and distance, but actually could not figgure out what was wrong with the motive....

Regards



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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9633 posts, RR: 68
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3591 times:
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Looks like motiv was a mistake. Here are the rejections the picture in question received:

NOA_quality
NOA_motiv
NOA_dark
NOA_distance


User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5855 posts, RR: 39
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3556 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 5):
Looks like motiv was a mistake. Here are the rejections the picture in question received:

interesting..i had a similar shot of an AA A300 rejected for motive also, my jaw near fell to the flaw when i read it.



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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9633 posts, RR: 68
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3547 times:
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Not really Monty, yours was a note about the crop (not centered) along with a personal note from the screener who rejected it.

User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5855 posts, RR: 39
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3533 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 7):
Not really Monty, yours was a note about the crop (not centered) along with a personal note from the screener who rejected it.

so it did contain a personal note..but what did motive have to do with it? surely centered would've been the appropriate catergory?



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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9633 posts, RR: 68
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3528 times:
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some screeners use "motiv" for a "bad crop."

Either way it was rejected correctly.


User currently offlineCosec59 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3522 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 9):
some screeners use "motiv" for a "bad crop."

Well that's ok then  Yeah sure

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 9):
Either way it was rejected correctly.

But just the wrong reason given.


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9633 posts, RR: 68
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3514 times:
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You are right Phil.

Another inconsistency on the part of the screening team. For whatever reason the screener choose motiv + a personal note instead of "centered." Many times we use motiv + a personal note, I usually say something like "crop" or "awkward crop."

Just curious, have you actually seen the photo in question, or are you just wanting to point out the lack of consistency?


User currently offlineCosec59 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3513 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 11):
Just curious, have you actually seen the photo in question,

Yup.


User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5855 posts, RR: 39
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3512 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 9):
some screeners use "motiv" for a "bad crop."

go make yourself familiar with the rejection reasons of this site...you just opened yourself a can of contradiction with that comment. nice to know we're not all on the same page when it comes to rejection reasons and the guidelines posted on the rejections page.

note or not..i don't see anything in the rejections page under motive that makes mention of centering, though i expected not to as they are two different things altogether..aren't they?

http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/..._1326copyright_mms_jan06n11060.jpg

motivate me baby...

[Edited 2006-12-28 00:02:49]

[Edited 2006-12-28 00:04:24]


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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9633 posts, RR: 68
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3508 times:
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don't know what to tell you Monty. I've been screening for 2+ years and this is the first I have heard anyone complain about my use of motiv to point out a bad crop.

User currently offlineThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2070 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3503 times:
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Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 13):
go make yourself familiar with the rejection reasons of this site...

This actually applies for the people of both sides of the screening process and that's why this here exists:
Illustrated Guide To Rejection Reasons (by ThierryD Dec 25 2006 in Aviation Photography)

Have fun!

Thierry



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User currently offlineCosec59 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3499 times:

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 10):
Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 9):
some screeners use "motiv" for a "bad crop."

Well that's ok then

So it's not " some screeners" then Royal.

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 14):
I've been screening for 2+ years and this is the first I have heard anyone complain about my use of motiv to point out a bad crop.

I think it's a valid complaint having viewed the photo in question a few times.
Perhaps you should read TZ's fair and courteous comments about screeners proof reading before posting.


User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5855 posts, RR: 39
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3497 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 14):
don't know what to tell you Monty. I've been screening for 2+ years and this is the first I have heard anyone complain about my use of motiv to point out a bad crop.

well it's the first time i've encountered it...motive for centering, bit like chalk for cheese, whatever floats the boat i guess. if you didn't read your emails and relied soley on the rejection page like i do (i have mine in my bookmarks) then you'd be a little puzzled. because the only reason shown was motive...doesn't tell me to check my email for a personal note...sure enough there was a personal note.

if i see motive on the rejection page i'd expect there to be something wrong with clutter, lack of motivation etc, not the centering of the image.



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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9633 posts, RR: 68
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3494 times:
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Phil, my response was in answer to Monty's comment, I won't speak for the other screeners, but sleep well knowing that I am not the only screener who uses motiv for a bad crop.

Not sure what you are meaning about me not proof reading my comments. They look spot on to me. Sorry if you disagree (Imagine my shock!).


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9633 posts, RR: 68
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3494 times:
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if i see motive on the rejection page i'd expect there to be something wrong with clutter, lack of motivation etc, not the centering of the image.

Fair enough Monty, all good comments. This is a dead issue unless whoever rejected it decides to jump in on this thread, but I wouldn't hold my breath.


User currently offlineAcontador From Chile, joined Jul 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 30
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3459 times:
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Just a little late here, but one interesting point indeed, as many of the photogs (particularly the new ones) do not have experience with the screening process, and thus have to rely solely on the rejection page for any guidance. And I think we all agree that that particular page needs an urgent update to reflect the reality of the screening process. In this case, it should be clearly stated that the 'motive' rejection does not only refer to 'what' you show in the picture but also to 'how' you show it. Then I suspect things will become much clearer.


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User currently offlineLIPH From Italy, joined May 2004, 848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3375 times:

Quoting Acontador (Reply 20):
In this case, it should be clearly stated that the 'motive' rejection does not only refer to 'what' you show in the picture but also to 'how' you show it. Then I suspect things will become much clearer.

Good point : yes, actually it would be good to know *how not to show it* rather than how it should be...

Regards



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User currently offlineThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2070 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3352 times:
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Quoting Acontador (Reply 20):
as many of the photogs (particularly the new ones) do not have experience with the screening process, and thus have to rely solely on the rejection page for any guidance.

Not anymore!  Wink

Illustrated Guide To Rejection Reasons (by ThierryD Dec 25 2006 in Aviation Photography)

The guide:
http://planecatcher.com/IGRR.htm


Thierry



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User currently offlineAcontador From Chile, joined Jul 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 30
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3311 times:
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Quoting ThierryD (Reply 22):
Not anymore!

Illustrated Guide To Rejection Reasons (by ThierryD Dec 25 2006 in Aviation Photography)

The guide:
http://planecatcher.com/IGRR.htm

Yes Thierry, I know this is a great thing you have put together, but not all photogs use this forum, and probably even more so in the case of newer photogs. Maybe it could be possible to put a link to your Guide in that page on A.net?



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User currently offlineThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2070 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3286 times:
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Quoting Acontador (Reply 23):
Yes Thierry, I know this is a great thing you have put together, but not all photogs use this forum, and probably even more so in the case of newer photogs. Maybe it could be possible to put a link to your Guide in that page on A.net?

I'm aware of this Andres, but I'd like to start by getting people who use the forum to use the guide for acceptance criteria guidance; a fix link on the upload page of A.net would of course be much more effective but you know how long it can take A.net to implement such changes...
The more people know about the guide the more its use will spread and the more people deliver feedback to it and their rejection issues the more extensive and thus effectice the guide will become!  Wink

Thierry



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25 Post contains links Jorge1812 : To join this thread. please tell me the motiv here? http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...061217_D-AVRJ_ARJ_LH_101206_14.jpg Is it the fence? Georg
26 Post contains links and images Ptrjong : The reason for the motive rejection must be the fence I suppose - too distracting for a photo of a common aircraft. What are the chances of this queu
27 Post contains images Acontador : Hi, Georg, I would agree to the fence, although it is a hash call. Maybe it is also the crop, as you could crop closer to the aircraft and thus leave
28 Post contains links Digital-cavu : I have to admit, I'm a bit confused about the motiv rejection as well. I offered two shots that got rejected for motiv (and possibly other things, whi
29 Jorge1812 : Thanks for the hints. It's 1200x828pix so not much space which can be cropped out. Georg
30 Ptrjong : Del, The A-10 has the nosewheel and canopy cut off, and that's not acceptable here. The other one is interesting, but shows only part of the nose, an
31 Post contains links ThierryD : quoting from: http://planecatcher.com/IGRR.htm "...note that motive rejections can also result from other, more subjective reasons. These are usually
32 Digital-cavu : Thanks you guys for the comments. They all make sense! Happy new year! Del
33 Post contains links and images Ptrjong : The picture discussed there was accepted, despite going outside the book View Large View MediumPhoto © Peter de Jong How could I be negative in
34 Aussie18 : Nice photo Peter,good to see it added!
35 Post contains images Acontador : Well done Peter! I am glad I was wrong
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