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User currently offlineRes From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 417 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4663 times:

I'm sure I won't be the only one to get this e-mail, as it looks like a form letter.
Might as well start a discussion on it, as well as help me down this path.
Please feel free to comment or make suggestions, as this is a new one for me.

Thanks so much,

Dear Tim Lachenmaier,

This is a request to use some of your photos from Airliners.net. I have a small
budget for this project so I may be able to afford to purchase a few, if

I am designing DVD slideshows and Aircraft Trading Cards, mainly targeted for
kids. I got the idea from my young nephew, who just loves airplanes, when he
asked if trading cards were available with airplanes on them. I soon found
there is nothing available in the U.S. So I am trying to make a go of this as a
small business. Let�s hope it works.

The DVDs will feature 500 to 1500 photos of airplanes arranged in a slideshow
with accompanying music and/or narration. Each photo on the DVD will be shown
for just a few seconds at a standard NTSC or PAL resolution, which is about 640
x 480. Photo credits will be displayed at the end of the DVD. Some panning,
zooming, editing and other effects may be applied to the photos to make the
photos more appealing and the slideshow more interesting.

The Aircraft Trading Cards will be sets of about 72 trading cards with airplanes
on the front and informational text on the back and an optional thumbnail. Photo
credits will be given on the back. Photos used on the cards will also be shown
on the DVDs. See Terms of Usage for more details. Also a few aircraft trivia
cards will be included in each pack of aircraft cards.

I hope I can use your photos. To help you with your decision, I have included
several documents that I created in response to questions from other
� FAQ - www.alphatangocharlie.com/fAQ.asp
� Photo Gudelines - www.alphatangocharlie.com/photoGuidelines.asp
� Aircraft Want List - www.alphatangocharlie.com/wantList.asp
� Terms of Usage - www.alphatangocharlie.com/terms.asp

To further encourage you to give me permission, I am also willing to send you
samples of my product once I go to print. (I'll need your postal address.)

I tried to be as thorough as possible in describing my intentions and usage of
your photos. However, you are welcome to contact me if you have any further
questions or concerns.

I look forward to hearing from you.

15 replies: All unread, jump to last
User currently offlineGarri767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4656 times:

So he didnt state anything about how much hes willing to pay for these photos besides the fact that he "Had a low budget''.........?


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3267 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4652 times:

This is a repeat scam.

Think about it....how many 'kids' are going to buy a DVD about airplanes? And buying the rights to add commercial music to a DVD for resale is very, very expensive.

User currently offlineDendrobatid From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1727 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4640 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

I have had precisely the same message and I wonder how many more of us have. I have not replied yet as it looked like another of the something for nothing brigade (again)
Your message has decided me...I won't bother replying !
Mick Bajcar

User currently offlineEadster From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2216 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4632 times:

I've had 2 or 3 emails about this before. I'm leaning towards not having anything to do with it as there have been no changes since I got my first email around 4 months ago.

User currently offlineSpencer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1642 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4601 times:

Yeah, this is a recurring thing. The geezer's a dreamer!

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User currently offlineGary2880 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4584 times:

Quoting Res (Thread starter):
640 x 480.

May want to email him back and help him out a little, 720-576 is more accurate.

I had to make a DVD slide show for someone before Christmas and i think it had 350 ish photos on it. photos on for 6 seconds each it gets very boring very fast. God knows what over 1000 would be like. Plenty of aviation DVD's around where the aircraft actually move about....

Quoting JeffM (Reply 2):
And buying the rights to add commercial music to a DVD for resale is very, very expensive.

Then don't use commercial music  

Shame if it's a scam as you all say  . Trading card part is a cool idea.

[Edited 2006-12-30 17:37:28]

User currently offlineGarri767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4564 times:

Quoting Gary2880 (Reply 6):
Trading card part is a cool idea.

I can imagine two teenage armchair CEOs

"I'll trade you my UA 747 for your AF a380"

Garri767  Wink

User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9104 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4560 times:

Idk, this guy came into chat the other night looking for assistance on the project. He is a member. Say what you want, but I think its the right thing to do to help.

Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
User currently offlineEWS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4560 times:

I got the same e.mail yesterday, read the first paragraph and deleted it.


User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 45
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4543 times:

Quoting JeffM (Reply 2):
Think about it....how many 'kids' are going to buy a DVD about airplanes? And buying the rights to add commercial music to a DVD for resale is very, very expensive.


I got this email a long time ago and thought the same thing, Jeff. I am not sure it was from this fella but it was definitely the same concept. The guy has shots on this site. Why doesnt he use his own and stop bugging folks with this crap.

User currently offlineTtad From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4524 times:

Hi everybody.

I'm the one sending the requests.... This is a start-up business for me. I will be publishing my first set of 88 aircraft trading cards this Feburary at the Great Lakes Aviation Convention in Novi Michigan. That is, if I can finish the pre-production in time. I have a Jan 11th deadline I am trying to make.

I hope the following help convince you of my intentions. Feel free to contact me with any questions.

The primary product is the Aviation Trading Cards. There will be 88 cards featuring all categories of aircraft. The purpose is to get kids and teens more interested in aviation... Much like Young Eagles is already doing. I give kids their first airplane rides in my Cessna Cardinal RG out of Brighton MI. I got the idea for this cards from my 6 year old nephew. This was March 2006. I've been working on the idea in my spare time ever since.

Each Aircraft Trading Card will feature a modern photo of an aircaft (or a good replica) of the front. The back side of the card will identify the aircraft, provide a 2 to 6 paragraph desciption of the aircraft, show an additional thumbnail of the aircraft from a differnent view, and finally there will be a small section with general aviation history or facts. There will also be 22 Aircraft Trivia cards with 4 questions on the front and answers on the back. Each pack will contain 10 random cards: 8 aircraft cards and 2 trivia cards. There wil be 36 packs per box and 6 boxes per case. The suggested retail price will be $3.50 per pack.

I may be over optimistic about this.... but at the moment I think this may be a popular product within the aviation community. If I am lucky....it may have appeal outside the aviation community. In discussing the idea with vendors at Airventure last year, they commented that there are very few things under $5 that kids can buy. Even most of the die-cast model airplanes are over $20.

In August I printed some sample cards on a laser printer, cut them, and put them in small ziplock bags for the Brighton Air Show. There were a big hit. That experience enouraged me to continue with this effort.

In discussing the product with a few parents of the kids receiving the prototype, they suggested adding a multi-media component. That is, other trading cards often have a movie, tv show, or cartooon associated with it. I tried to get video... that that was way too expensive for me. Instead, I thought I could put a slide show to music. I am calling the DVD "500 Airplanes." It will simply feature a slide show of 500 photos that I have procured from various sources... mainly Airliners.net.

I admit I did not offer to pay for the photos. A sufficient number of photograpners were willing to provide the photos free or in exchange for packs of the cards. When asked if I'd pay for the picture, I was able to offer a small payment for the pictures I really wanted. Otherwise, I could not afford it. Each photo on the DVD will show for about 3 seconds. There are 500 photos. At $100 a piece (a cheap price for good photos) that would cost me $50,000. In order to make the first version of the DVD be sucessfull I have to find many photos at an affordable price. As such, I won't get the top-notch, really cool photos for this DVD. If this is successful, then I can consider a different strategy for the next DVD... 501 Airplanes.

I give credit at the end of the DVD for each photo used. I number each photo for the slideshow... then I reference each photo by number during the credits second at the end.

If you've made it this far in my response, I encourage you to look at a preview page on my website: www.AlphaTangoCharlie.com/preivew/

You are welcome to contact me offline at ttad@aol.com. Or I will try to monitor this forum for a bit to answer your questions.

Todd Trainor
Brighton, MI

User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4497 times:


Kudos to you for comming here and posting for what you believe in.

Now, about the DVD... I have two kids, and trust me when I tell you that a slideshow of static pictures is about as time worthy as a cat turd in the corner. You'd have to come up with some VERY kick ass kids music to make the DVD fly.

That being said, the trading cards idea is good if you have a strategic vision for this. You are not going to make a lot of money, especially when you think that there are cooler cards like Yugio and whatnot out there being given away for free. One of the keys will be to get rare aircraft, and keep the # of those prints limited. Once you have your first batch, you can make a DVD of the cards for reference pourposes, but I wouldn't try to make it any cooler then effectively being a wishlist catalog for the few kids who are into collecting the cards.

User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 38
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4487 times:

I did respond and gave him permission.
He seems to be a nice guy apart from that I don't care anyway.
Also he did not ask for a HR version, the A.net version was good enough for him.
So he could have taken it anyway...... without asking.

The truth lives in one’s mind, it doesn’t really exist
User currently offlineTtad From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4477 times:

TedTAce... thanks for the honest opinion about the DVD. As time goes on, I too am not as sure about the DVD as I am the trading cards. At a minimum, I'm going to produce the first version and reproduce the first 1000 DVDs to see how it sells locally. I'll measure the response and decide to continue or drop it. Besides, the cards can be played with anywhere and anytime, while the DVD can only be viewed by a machine. You can put the cards in your pocket. .. You can view all the cards all at once... You can buy mutiple packs of cards and collect them... You can sort, play games with, and trade the cards. None of this applies to the DVD. The usability-factor of the DVD is much lower.

Aviopic... You are right about the HR version. The cards are so small (63mm x 88mm) that the A.net version is often good enough. In some cases, I ask for HR to crop, remove the watermark, or to use for marketing materials. For my display booth I plan to have a display of super-large version of the trading cards mounted to foam boards so you can see them clearly from 10 feet away.

For the rest of you... please reconsider my request to use your photos. I don't think you'll be disappointed. We'll find out in a few months.... I just signed a contract with the printer.

If there are no delays, I expect to receive my first printing on 1-Feb. The first printing will be called "Maiden Flight". The Maiden Flight series will be used to attact retailers and future content providers (photographers, writers, or sponsors such as Young Eagles, Be-A-Pilot, AOPA Pilot Project, CAP, etc.) I suppose you could say that Maiden Flight will see if this concept can really fly. The first large scale series will be called "Oscar November Echo," and will be built largely on the Maiden Flight series. The series after that will be called "Tango Whiskey Oscar," if I am still in business. Wish me luck.


User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 38
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4470 times:

Quoting Ttad (Reply 14):
Wish me luck.

Already done so in the email Big grin
I'll send you permission for the other list tomorrow, need some sleep first  ghost 

Good luck with it,

The truth lives in one’s mind, it doesn’t really exist
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