LIPH From Italy, joined May 2004, 848 posts, RR: 1 Posted (6 years 4 months 22 hours ago) and read 1355 times:
Browsing the database,
have encountered some shots that made me hesitant regarding few issues for acceptance :
- Engines : is it necessary that *both* engines are always displayed (especially in front shots) ? If not, at which conditions ?
- Tails : when is it possible to "cut" them ?
- Gears : at which conditions (especially the front gears) one can "cut" them ?
ThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2021 posts, RR: 52 Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 20 hours ago) and read 1312 times:
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Giovanni, there are no fixed rules about this; as Jurgen said it all depends on the photo.
If you cut off parts of an airplane always ask yourself: "Why am I doing this?"
If you cut off parts it's gotta be motivated.
Concerning the gears normally it's an all-or-nothing thing; either you include it in your entity or you completely cut it off. Everything else normally looks quite weird.
LIPH From Italy, joined May 2004, 848 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1166 times:
Peter,
so basically you're saying that every part of the picture must have a subject ? Without the tower that side of the pic could be considered "empty" ? Probably I must focus on what is considered "empty space" in a pic ? I must admit that the concept of "balance" iself is not that easy to understand...
Edoca From Belgium, joined Mar 2005, 687 posts, RR: 10 Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1136 times:
Quoting LIPH (Reply 6): so basically you're saying that every part of the picture must have a subject ? Without the tower that side of the pic could be considered "empty" ? Probably I must focus on what is considered "empty space" in a pic ? I must admit that the concept of "balance" iself is not that easy to understand...
You like the 747/tower shot (so do I, thanks for linking to it, it's a great picture) but you wonder why it works out so well. Don't focus on emptiness, subject, certainly don't focus on airliners.net traditional rules like centering, not cutting off tails and gears. Just think about the balance. I'm not a specialist of Golden Ratio / Esthetics theory, but what I know of paintings and photography is that balance in a composition like this is very important:
- the front of the plane, and the tower, are on 2 sides of an imaginary line through the middle.
- The wings seem to be about 2/3rd down on the vertical axis.
- there is a general "line" from top left to bottom right (tail-cockpit-tower-engine)
- all of these elements lead to an aesthetically very pleasing view
I'm not saying that this is a recipe for success, and I'm not saying that anything different would not be nice, but if you're asking about why this picture would be considered a great shot by many viewers, this is why I think it is. It's very much a psychological thing - people like symmetry, and people also like images that seem to follow rules like the above (and of course, it's probably far more complex than that).
Of course if you don't have the chance of composing such a nice picture, but instead you end up with a side-on, blue-sky background picture of a plane, the "motive" is less aesthetically pleasing. Logical, because a plane, viewed from the side, is not a nice geometrical figure. In which case, naturally, rules are going to be applied when you arbitrarily cut off parts like wings/tails/gears/etc.
Aussie18 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1608 posts, RR: 10 Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1129 times:
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Quoting LIPH (Thread starter): - Engines : is it necessary that *both* engines are always displayed (especially in front shots) ? If not, at which conditions ?
I was abit hesitant with the motive of front on shot with one engine display and crop and i tried one shot and got it accepted.
StealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5424 posts, RR: 49 Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1121 times:
Quoting Edoca (Reply 7): I'm not a specialist of Golden Ratio / Esthetics theory, but what I know of paintings and photography is that balance in a composition like this is very important:
- the front of the plane, and the tower, are on 2 sides of an imaginary line through the middle.
- The wings seem to be about 2/3rd down on the vertical axis.
- there is a general "line" from top left to bottom right (tail-cockpit-tower-engine)
- all of these elements lead to an aesthetically very pleasing view
Pretty much sums it up....
Portero, hope you don't mind me using your pic for this example...
Major areas of interest are on or close to the 1/3 lines...
read up on "rule of thirds" amazing what may come of it..
If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
StealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5424 posts, RR: 49 Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1095 times:
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Quoting LIPH (Reply 10): but in this way don't you move your point of interest away from the center ? This can lead to a "bad center" rejection...
A/ Yes, you do move the points of interest away from centre
B/ Yes, you might get a "bad center" rejection
Having said that, you seemed to be looking for a reason why you were attracted to this photo, I was pointing out why it was more aesthetically balanced than many you see here.
Aesthetically pleasing images and photographs that meet Airliners "database" oriented critera are not always the same thing.
Cheers
If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
LIPH From Italy, joined May 2004, 848 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 4 weeks ago) and read 1073 times:
Quoting StealthZ (Reply 11): Aesthetically pleasing images and photographs that meet Airliners "database" oriented critera are not always the same thing.
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