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Gears, Tails, Engines & Co.  
User currently offlineLIPH From Italy, joined May 2004, 848 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2225 times:

Browsing the database,
have encountered some shots that made me hesitant regarding few issues for acceptance :

- Engines : is it necessary that *both* engines are always displayed (especially in front shots) ? If not, at which conditions ?
- Tails : when is it possible to "cut" them ?
- Gears : at which conditions (especially the front gears) one can "cut" them ?

Thanks in advance for help

Regards


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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4725 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

There are no set limits when they can and can't be cropped out. It depends on the photo.


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User currently offlineThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2081 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2182 times:
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Giovanni, there are no fixed rules about this; as Jurgen said it all depends on the photo.
If you cut off parts of an airplane always ask yourself: "Why am I doing this?"
If you cut off parts it's gotta be motivated.

Concerning the gears normally it's an all-or-nothing thing; either you include it in your entity or you completely cut it off. Everything else normally looks quite weird.

Thierry



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User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2173 times:

It's more about balance and esthetics then hard and fast rules....

User currently offlineLIPH From Italy, joined May 2004, 848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2134 times:

For example : I love the following shot, but cannot understand why it was cropped that way....:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?i...=1&prev_id=&next_id=1015488&size=L

Could you guys post some examples in order I can figure out what "balance" mean ?

Thanks



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User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 4008 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2061 times:

Quoting LIPH (Reply 4):
I love the following shot, but cannot understand why it was cropped that way

Well, you probably love it because the way it was cropped.

Without the control tower, the right side would probably have looked too empty and that would have made the picture look unbalanced.

Peter



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User currently offlineLIPH From Italy, joined May 2004, 848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2036 times:

Peter,
so basically you're saying that every part of the picture must have a subject ? Without the tower that side of the pic could be considered "empty" ? Probably I must focus on what is considered "empty space" in a pic ? I must admit that the concept of "balance" iself is not that easy to understand... frown 

Regards



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User currently offlineEdoca From Belgium, joined Mar 2005, 688 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2006 times:

Quoting LIPH (Reply 6):
so basically you're saying that every part of the picture must have a subject ? Without the tower that side of the pic could be considered "empty" ? Probably I must focus on what is considered "empty space" in a pic ? I must admit that the concept of "balance" iself is not that easy to understand...

You like the 747/tower shot (so do I, thanks for linking to it, it's a great picture) but you wonder why it works out so well. Don't focus on emptiness, subject, certainly don't focus on airliners.net traditional rules like centering, not cutting off tails and gears. Just think about the balance. I'm not a specialist of Golden Ratio / Esthetics theory, but what I know of paintings and photography is that balance in a composition like this is very important:
- the front of the plane, and the tower, are on 2 sides of an imaginary line through the middle.
- The wings seem to be about 2/3rd down on the vertical axis.
- there is a general "line" from top left to bottom right (tail-cockpit-tower-engine)
- all of these elements lead to an aesthetically very pleasing view

I'm not saying that this is a recipe for success, and I'm not saying that anything different would not be nice, but if you're asking about why this picture would be considered a great shot by many viewers, this is why I think it is. It's very much a psychological thing - people like symmetry, and people also like images that seem to follow rules like the above (and of course, it's probably far more complex than that).

Of course if you don't have the chance of composing such a nice picture, but instead you end up with a side-on, blue-sky background picture of a plane, the "motive" is less aesthetically pleasing. Logical, because a plane, viewed from the side, is not a nice geometrical figure. In which case, naturally, rules are going to be applied when you arbitrarily cut off parts like wings/tails/gears/etc.

Hope this makes a little sense...


User currently offlineAussie18 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1758 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1999 times:
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Quoting LIPH (Thread starter):
- Engines : is it necessary that *both* engines are always displayed (especially in front shots) ? If not, at which conditions ?

I was abit hesitant with the motive of front on shot with one engine display and crop and i tried one shot and got it accepted.

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Mark H



User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5749 posts, RR: 44
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1991 times:
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Quoting Edoca (Reply 7):
I'm not a specialist of Golden Ratio / Esthetics theory, but what I know of paintings and photography is that balance in a composition like this is very important:
- the front of the plane, and the tower, are on 2 sides of an imaginary line through the middle.
- The wings seem to be about 2/3rd down on the vertical axis.
- there is a general "line" from top left to bottom right (tail-cockpit-tower-engine)
- all of these elements lead to an aesthetically very pleasing view

Pretty much sums it up....
Portero, hope you don't mind me using your pic for this example...
Big version: Width: 800 Height: 522 File size: 86kb

Major areas of interest are on or close to the 1/3 lines...
read up on "rule of thirds" amazing what may come of it..



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User currently offlineLIPH From Italy, joined May 2004, 848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1969 times:

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 9):
rule of thirds

Sorry Chris,
but in this way don't you move your point of interest away from the center ? This can lead to a "bad center" rejection...  Confused

Regards



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User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5749 posts, RR: 44
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1965 times:
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Quoting LIPH (Reply 10):
but in this way don't you move your point of interest away from the center ? This can lead to a "bad center" rejection...

A/ Yes, you do move the points of interest away from centre
B/ Yes, you might get a "bad center" rejection

Having said that, you seemed to be looking for a reason why you were attracted to this photo, I was pointing out why it was more aesthetically balanced than many you see here.
Aesthetically pleasing images and photographs that meet Airliners "database" oriented critera are not always the same thing.

Cheers



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User currently offlineLIPH From Italy, joined May 2004, 848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1943 times:

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 11):
Aesthetically pleasing images and photographs that meet Airliners "database" oriented critera are not always the same thing.

It should be  Wink
anyway it makes sense, thanks.

Regards



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