Invader From Netherlands, joined Feb 2000, 307 posts, RR: 15 Posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2275 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW CHIEF DATABASE EDITOR
Hi all,
Some time ago there was a lot of discussion about the need to rewrite the guidance for the two color scheme categories, "special" and "hybrid/special marking". A new version was written and published, but many people were not happy with it. So a new round of discussions started within the crew. After a lengthy process of comparing and weighing the pros and contras of the various opinions, the final decision is this:
1. The "hybrid/special marking" category will be abandoned in total.
2. The "special" category will remain as the simplified "colorful special" category.
Here follows the guidance for the Colorful Special category:
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This category is for special one-off color schemes, where the whole aircraft or at least the larger part of it (or for military aircraft at least the whole fin) is painted in a special, mostly temporary, color scheme. These schemes can be just for fun or to commemorate something, or the colors of a sponsor or advertiser.
We don't set strict boundaries for this category, but we expect that you use common sense to decide which aircraft belong in it.
Please note: the category shall only be used for airliners and for military aircraft.
Aircraft in the house colors of military demonstration teams like the Patrouille de France, Thunderbirds, Swifts, Blue Angels, Frecce Tricolori, Snowbirds, Russian Knights, Asas de Portugal, Patrulla Aguila, etc like:
The screeners will not reject photos for this category unless blatant mistakes or misuse is noticed. The database editors however reserve the right to delete or add photos to this category according to their own judgement.
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When you don't like to see military aircraft, then please click the range button "civil only" on the Photo Search Page, or "military only" when you don't want to see civil aircraft.
It will take some time before everything at the site is adjusted to reflect this new policy. For the time being I suggest to no longer use the category "hybrid/special markings" and to use the category "special" for the new "colorful special" pending the update of the relevant sections.
Of course, there will be many photos included in the new category that are not adhering to this new convention, because they were uploaded under the old convention. But the editors will gradually correct older photos when they notice them.
Psych From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 2636 posts, RR: 65 Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2173 times:
Many congratulations to the Crew for addressing this old chestnut in, what to me, seems a sensible manner, with the interests of the photographer/uploader in mind.
I would hope that this change will now put to bed those frequent confusions expressed here previously.
Glapira From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 186 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2102 times:
Quoting Rotate (Reply 2):
Very nice to see how A.net crew cares for the needs of the community ....
Congratulation guys... this makes things a lot easier for the Upload process. I think that we will be avoinding lot of rejections due to bad category or similar reasons. It's really nice to see how you guys work together to improve and help growing the site.
Keep up the good work!
Giorgio
Kind Regards - Giorgio La Pira = Radial360 on the DB
Graphic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2021 times:
So if we upload a pic with the star alliance and tick special and this rule change comes into effect while the pic is still in the queue, do I now get a tick against my reject ratio for following the rules at the time?
Edoca From Belgium, joined Mar 2005, 674 posts, RR: 15 Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1968 times:
@ Graphic:
Quoting Invader (Thread starter): The screeners will not reject photos for this category unless blatant mistakes or misuse is noticed. The database editors however reserve the right to delete or add photos to this category according to their own judgement.
I welcome this change as well, simplification seems the best way out of what otherwise becomes a very complex division. Just another question though. If colourful tails and StarAlliance liveries, or "real" hybrids are not captured as a separate category any longer, what would be the best way to do a database search in the db to find such pictures?
Q330 From Australia, joined Dec 2003, 1460 posts, RR: 34 Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1890 times:
Quoting Edoca (Reply 6): If colourful tails and StarAlliance liveries, or "real" hybrids are not captured as a separate category any longer, what would be the best way to do a database search in the db to find such pictures?
I don't think there is any good way to search for these types of things under the new rules... except using keywords and hoping the photographers have mentioned the special livery in the comment. I agree with Georg that at least Star Alliance liveries should be included in the new 'special' category. Tail-only special colours may be a bit less important, but I don't see why they shouldn't be included in the new category too.
Q330 From Australia, joined Dec 2003, 1460 posts, RR: 34 Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1784 times:
Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 8): I would say this is correct because BA used to have them like PIA and Air India Express as their normal livery on all aircrafts.
Ok, In that case, I guess they shouldn't be counted as special... but this brings back the issue of how to effectively search for them.
Jorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3066 posts, RR: 14 Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1765 times:
Quoting Q330 (Reply 10): but this brings back the issue of how to effectively search for them.
Not there if the Photogs didn't wrote down in the remark field. Probably thinking about a field like "A/c Name" or "Specialty" like "Elephant tail" but that's hard and complicate to make from Crew and Uploading Photog.
Acontador From Chile, joined Jul 2005, 1211 posts, RR: 42 Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1560 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW PHOTO SCREENER
I have a slight confusion regarding these new rules, which I would like to discuss here.
The following two pictures are the examples (please do not click on them!):
According to my understanding of the new rules the Sky/Air Malta one is a hybrid livery of two airlines (Air Malta livery with Sky titles), thus should be uploaded just a 'normal'? And the Principal one, that is even more confusing, as there is no 'own' Principal livery and this aircraft carries both titles from Principal and Futura (BTW, parent company of Principal), so this one should also be treated as a hybrid and thus uploaded as normal?
Even more, the Sky one has Air Malta flightdeck crews and Sky FAs, so how should exactly be the title/operator? Shouldn't it be 'Sky Airline (Air Malta)'?
And the Principal has full Futura flight crew, so shouldn't it be 'Principal Airline (Futura)?
Hopefully somebody can enlighten me on this - thanks!
Just sit back, relax and have a glass of Merlot...enjoy your life!
Lindy Field From United States, joined Mar 2001, 2948 posts, RR: 9 Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1551 times:
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Andres,
It appears to me that you understand everything correctly. With the imminent elimination of the 'hybrid' category, both these aircraft can be categorized as "normal" because they are really two-airline hybrids. The Futura/Principal hybrid is sort of similar to a Song/Delta hybrid in that it's really all the same company.
I changed the airline listing for the Sky Airline photo to "Sky Airline (Air Malta)" as soon as I saw it in the database as it is pretty obviously a lease, flying in Air Malta colors with a Maltese registration. I hope that clears things up for you.
Acontador From Chile, joined Jul 2005, 1211 posts, RR: 42 Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1544 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW PHOTO SCREENER
Hi Edward,
Thanks! Only doubt I still have is about the airline title/operator for the Principal (Futura) one. Should it be as I suggest above, that is Principal (Futura), or as it is right now in the DB, that is Futura (Principal)?
Just sit back, relax and have a glass of Merlot...enjoy your life!
Lindy Field From United States, joined Mar 2001, 2948 posts, RR: 9 Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1543 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW DATABASE EDITOR
I think I'd leave it as it is Futura (Principal) because the titles are about the same size. Since the Futura one is on top, I think that's the one most people would look at first; it seems more prominent.
UnattendedBag From United States, joined Oct 2003, 1579 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1355 times:
Quoting PUnmuth@VIE (Reply 9): What about all white aircraft and aircraft in primer colours?
Am I missing it, have we gotten clarification on this yet?
Jorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3066 posts, RR: 14 Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1339 times:
Quoting UnattendedBag (Reply 17):
Am I missing it, have we gotten clarification on this yet?
Wondered the same when I uploaded a white Airbus (prior conversion to freighter for FedEx). Made it Untitled (Federal Express) and a small note to the screeners that I had not ticked b/c I'm not sure. But I would say the term Untitled doesn't need another box ticked now.
UnattendedBag From United States, joined Oct 2003, 1579 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1319 times:
Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 18): Wondered the same when I uploaded a white Airbus
I have a few pictures of this one and I am wondering if I should tick "colorful_paint".
UnattendedBag From United States, joined Oct 2003, 1579 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1179 times:
Quoting 757MDE (Reply 20): what about totally white Airplanes?
My photo of the above aircraft was accepted and the colorful_paint catagory I selected was removed before acceptance.
So, as far as I am concerned, totally white and "non-painted" (pre delivery) aircraft do not fit the colorful_paint catagory.
At least, that is how I will proceede from here until I hear otherwise.
Scbriml From United Kingdom (England), joined Jul 2003, 8904 posts, RR: 50 Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1171 times:
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Quoting 757MDE (Reply 20): I was wondering exactly the same... what about totally white Airplanes?
Wrote a short message to the screeners that I'm not sure and therefor not ticked special. And so it is online without this Category.Airline is Untitled (Federal Express)
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