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Nikon D70 Or Canon 400d  
User currently offlineSilverfox From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1058 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7887 times:

Assuming i am getting the same lens for either, what one will give me the best all round performance.
I am only asking as i have narrowed it down to these two and it could be chosen on the toss of a coin..... unless the net boys know better

Thanks

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User currently offlineViv From Ireland, joined May 2005, 3142 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7885 times:

Depends on personal preference. Try them both, see which feels better in the hand.

I prefer the handling of Nikon, but that's just me.



Nikon D700, Nikkor 80-400, Fuji X Pro 1, Fujinon 35 f/1.4, Fujinon 18 f/2
User currently offlineCodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7872 times:

Yes the D70 is bigger, and it is a proved camera. But it's old. If you don't want megapixels, it's 6 Mpix will suit you fine. As it is no loger produced (not sure about the 's' version) you'd probably get it quite cheap. Which leaves more money for lens. If you want more pixels try the recent D80.

The Canon is quite small and feels like a P+S camera in a way. It has, however, 10 Mpixels.

KS/codeshare



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7858 times:

Quoting Codeshare (Reply 2):
If you want more pixels try the recent D80.

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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7858 times:

Quoting Codeshare (Reply 2):
The Canon is quite small and feels like a P+S camera in a way.

While the 400D is a bit small and not as well-built as its Nikon rivals, it certainly doesn't perform like a P & S. Folks tend to forget that some people like the idea of a very small camera (my hands are about average and I was comfortable with both the 350D and 400D). Ah, now there's another idea - the 350D, which is the D70's original competitor (it came out on top in many reviews, although price was a big factor). You'd get one pretty cheap now that the 400D is around. So, if the D70 and 350D were head-on competitors, then the 400D must surely be a step up; the next generation? Indeed. The D70 cannot realistically compete with the 400D, however the D80 can, although its price tag is a touch more than the 400D.

Whichever camera you choose, you won't be disappointed, simple as that. They are all good, although I'm not really convinced that the D70 is an attractive option, pricing aside. 6.0MP these days is non-too-thrilling (the D80 and 400D are 10+MP) and the original D70 (the S series too, to a lesser extent) I believe suffered from colour cast problems.

Personally, I'd go for the 400D (I'm a Canon man through and through) but there will be a lot of Nikon fans out there urging you to lean towards the D80.

Cheers,

Karl


User currently offlineSkidmarks From UK - England, joined Dec 2004, 7121 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7848 times:

Your choice. Don't ask this lot what to pick. They'll lean either toward Canon (sad gits) or Nikon (sensible people).

Just get a grip with both and choose the one you are comfortable with. I would say go for the D80 if you try the Nikon. The D70 (which I use cos I can't afford a new one) is a little dated now. But I get reasonable results - although the screeners may differ with me on that.

So, your choice.

Andy  old 



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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7837 times:

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 5):
Canon (sad gits)

Oooooh, Andy - you b**ch!!

Joking apart, Canon and Nikon are the premier choices when it comes to selecting a new camera. Others will tell you you may need to look further, at other brands such as Olympus, Sony, etc. These brands - despire being capable of making equal quality cameras - just don't have the accessory support or the experience of the two majors.

Look at it this way. Whenever you visit an airport, the cameras you will see will (most of the time) be Canons or Nikons. The majority can't be wrong. If Olympus et all were as trusted and experienced, it'd be their cameras we would encounter.

Karl


User currently offlineDvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1753 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7819 times:
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just don't have the accessory support or the experience of the two majors.

I wish this would stop. Oly, Pentax, and Sony via Minolta have all been playing the game as long as Nikon and Canon. While Oly was dumb enough to ditch their 35mm lens mount, a world of Pentax glass, both auto and manual focus, is open to you if you buy a K10D, much like 22 years of Minolta Autofocus is here for Sony users. The Sony is also compatible with Minolta flashguns and remote shutters too.

Getting tele options for Pentax is hard (their system is known for the pancake wide angle primes), but for Sony/Minolta, it's easy - a trip to eBay for used or B&H for new is all it takes. The Minolta 100-300 APO is the perfect plane lens - or the 100-400 APO, if you can find it.  Wink

Not to mention that each system has its pros. Sony/Minolta with drop-dead-easy wireless flash (that only till now Nikon has managed to catch up to) is one big example. Antishake is also not to be trifled with - even with long lenses it's effective. Canon has the most lenses with ultrasonic motors. Oly's ultrasonic wave filter ensures dust-free cameras. Pentax brings pro level features downmarket.

That being said, between these two cameras, I'd vote for a third, unlisted option - the D80. It's a world-class camera and the real prism viewfinder is not to be underestimated.



From the Mind of Minolta
User currently offlineViv From Ireland, joined May 2005, 3142 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7788 times:

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 4):
the original D70 (the S series too, to a lesser extent) I believe suffered from colour cast problems

Not so. Never had such a problem with my D70.



Nikon D700, Nikkor 80-400, Fuji X Pro 1, Fujinon 35 f/1.4, Fujinon 18 f/2
User currently offlineSilverfox From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1058 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7750 times:

Gents, thanks for the input, i shall get down to the shops for a hands on,...and then buy via the web if they wont price match.... Jessops are you listening?

As an insight i have two OM2n...love them to bits,but need to get modern! my lad had a Nikon F50 and the good lady an S4, so Canon is a bit of a unknown, but yes, most of the digital SLR are Nikon or Canon and 10m looks nice,
there is no rush as it is a present

Once again thanks


User currently offlineSkidmarks From UK - England, joined Dec 2004, 7121 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7717 times:

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 6):
Oooooh, Andy - you b**ch!!

Have to get it in where I can Karl, you know how it is! Big grin

Andy  old 



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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7695 times:

Quoting Dvincent (Reply 7):
I wish this would stop. Oly, Pentax, and Sony via Minolta have all been playing the game as long as Nikon and Canon.

I see what you're saying but for anyone unsure which camera to get I wouldn't recommend buying anything other than Canon or Nikon just to prove a point. Indeed, many features of Sony, Olympus and Pentax cameras are revolutionary and prices better than you-know-who, but sticking with the tried and tested if you're new to the game makes sense to me.

Go with the flow - if 90% of aviation photographers are using Canon and Nikon, and they're all happy, then that is the way to go. Canon and Nikon between them have far more experience in the DSLR market than anyone else, and they also have the most choice.

Karl


User currently offlineBrianW999 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 312 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7678 times:

For what its worth I'm a Nikonian whose first DSLR was a D70S. I upgraded to a D80 which is an excellent camera. I still use the D70S alongside the D80 and am very happy with both.
I'm not going to get into the "football supporter" mentality of Canon vs Nikon simply because I've never used a Canon.

I've got Nikons and I like them. Job done.


User currently offlineDvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1753 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7671 times:
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Quoting JakTrax (Reply 11):

I see what you're saying but for anyone unsure which camera to get I wouldn't recommend buying anything other than Canon or Nikon just to prove a point. Indeed, many features of Sony, Olympus and Pentax cameras are revolutionary and prices better than you-know-who, but sticking with the tried and tested if you're new to the game makes sense to me.

You must not have seen where I recommended the D80.  Smile

Truthfully all of the cameras have pros and cons, and the best way to find out is by handling them. You're going to get great image quality no matter who you buy from, it's more of a matter of personal taste, which feels better in your hands, and what buzzwords you care about.



From the Mind of Minolta
User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7659 times:

Quoting Dvincent (Reply 13):
You're going to get great image quality no matter who you buy from

I think that's the key phrase here. It's not as though one will stand out significantly and give 50% better image quality. Only thing that makes me wary of Olympus DSLRs is the 2x crop factor, which without doubt must have some detriment to image quality, no matter how slight.

And yes, I agree, the Nikon D80 is supposedly (I've never used one) a very good camera. At one time Canon stood above all others in the entry-level DSLR market with their 300 and 350D, but now it seems that the 400D has some strong (perhaps better) competition from not only the D80 but also from Olympus and Sony machines. The 400D's strength, however, remains in its competitive price.

Karl


User currently offlineCodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7652 times:

Quoting BrianW999 (Reply 12):
I still use the D70S alongside the D80 and am very happy with both.

That's good here - you don't have the problem of where to put the memory card in, don't you ? SD or CF have their own cameras now  Wink

KS/codeshare



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User currently offlineDvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1753 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7644 times:
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The 400D's strength, however, remains in its competitive price.

This can't be said enough, but I think the 400D is missing some critical features that I value - then again, other people might be okay with leaving them out. Things like a spotmeter, for instance. The viewfinder is also like looking through a tunnel, and I don't like the small grip size. The 30D is such a better camera all-around that it's worth the extra money. Nikon really got it right with their camera handling, but I went with Minolta because I valued anti-shake and the wonderful wireless flash I had on a 600si film camera. The Sony A100 is a step forward, step back kind of deal from the Maxxum 5D and we're still waiting on a replacement for the Maxxum 7D (a truly wonderful and innovative camera) from Sony. PMA 2007 will be an illuminating experience.

The only cameras I reccomend people stay away from are Olys unless they know what they're getting into with four-thirds. I think it's a dead-end system. At least with Pentax and Sony/Minolta there's decades of used glass to pick up on. The promise of smaller lenses and cameras for four-thirds has yet to be realized. The E-330's live preview is excellent for those who do macrophotography, though.  Smile The knock against Oly IQ-wise is that they're noisier.



From the Mind of Minolta
User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7640 times:

Speaking of noise, it must be recognised that Canons generally have superior noise performance when compared to other manufacturers - especially at high ISOs.

Karl


User currently offlineDvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1753 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7639 times:
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Quoting JakTrax (Reply 17):
Speaking of noise, it must be recognised that Canons generally have superior noise performance when compared to other manufacturers - especially at high ISOs.

The 350D has excellent noise performance, but I can't help but feel the 400D got taken down a notch when going up to 10MP. Canon had to have used more aggressive noise reduction. The 400D's continuous buffer more than makes up for it, though.

I fear buying our own noise reduction software will be in the future no matter what system we use if manufacturers don't stop the megapixel race.



From the Mind of Minolta
User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7632 times:

Quoting Dvincent (Reply 18):
The 350D has excellent noise performance, but I can't help but feel the 400D got taken down a notch when going up to 10MP. Canon had to have used more aggressive noise reduction. The 400D's continuous buffer more than makes up for it, though.

Agree 100%. I own a 400D and a 30D, and have owned in the past a 350D also. Seeing as the 400D comes from the same technological gene pool as the 30D it's very disappointing, and I'd to be honest much rather have my old 350D back instead (had I not got a 30D obviously!).

Karl


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