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Accepted Shot Removed From Database - Why?  
User currently offlineViv From Ireland, joined May 2005, 3142 posts, RR: 28
Posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3971 times:

My most recent upload was rejected for "Editing". I appealed and it was accepted. After a few days in the database and a few hundred hits, the shot has apparently been removed.

Why? I have emailed the screeners but got no reply.


Nikon D700, Nikkor 80-400, Fuji X Pro 1, Fujinon 35 f/1.4, Fujinon 18 f/2
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User currently offline747438 From UK - England, joined Jan 2007, 838 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3965 times:

Quoting Viv (Thread starter):
I have emailed the screeners but got no reply.

Was It a Saudi ?


User currently offlineBeechcraft From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 828 posts, RR: 41
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3959 times:

Quoting Viv (Thread starter):
Why? I have emailed the screeners but got no reply.

I think we mailed you twice, maybe take a look at your spam folder?

regards,

Denis



That's it! You people have stood in my way long enough. I'm going to clown college!
User currently offlineViv From Ireland, joined May 2005, 3142 posts, RR: 28
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3894 times:

Quoting Beechcraft (Reply 2):
I think we mailed you twice, maybe take a look at your spam folder?

Thanks, but I have not received a mail from you and there is nothing from you in my spam folder.



Nikon D700, Nikkor 80-400, Fuji X Pro 1, Fujinon 35 f/1.4, Fujinon 18 f/2
User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9644 posts, RR: 68
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3715 times:
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Gary sent you the original email AND replied to your email yesterday, before you created this thread.

The shot was added on error, and was deleted.


User currently offlineViv From Ireland, joined May 2005, 3142 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3608 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 4):
The shot was added on error, and was deleted.

OK, thanks.

I have not received any emails on the subject.



Nikon D700, Nikkor 80-400, Fuji X Pro 1, Fujinon 35 f/1.4, Fujinon 18 f/2
User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9644 posts, RR: 68
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3530 times:
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then for some reason you are not getting emails from Gary, although I can verify that you were the recipent (the screeners were cc'd)

you might want to check with your email provider and/or ISP


User currently offlineViv From Ireland, joined May 2005, 3142 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3529 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 6):
you might want to check with your email provider and/or ISP

I have done so. All is ok at my end.



Nikon D700, Nikkor 80-400, Fuji X Pro 1, Fujinon 35 f/1.4, Fujinon 18 f/2
User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9644 posts, RR: 68
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3517 times:
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well, clearly not if you are not getting emails.

maybe try a gmail or yahoo account? not sure what 'pt.lu' is...


User currently offlineViv From Ireland, joined May 2005, 3142 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3511 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 8):
clearly not if you are not getting emails

Clearly yes - I get emails from all over the world - including rejection or acceptance emails from Anet. Anet should look for the beam in its own eye before finding the mote in mine.

"pt.lu" is posts and telegraphs Luxembourg - the state-run ISP. Fully reliable.



Nikon D700, Nikkor 80-400, Fuji X Pro 1, Fujinon 35 f/1.4, Fujinon 18 f/2
User currently offlineThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2072 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3505 times:
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Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 8):
not sure what 'pt.lu' is...

That's our good old national post here in Luxembourg and at the same time our biggest Internet provider if I'm not mistaken.  Wink

Though as you probably know mails might take a little longer to arrive at their destination...  duck 

Thierry



"Go ahead...make my day"
User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9644 posts, RR: 68
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3484 times:
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well, Gary's email was recieved by everyone but you, so I do'nt know what to say.

I am not sure how we would fix that, but if you have ideas please send then to support@airliners.net


For the record I have no idea what a mote is.


User currently offlineViv From Ireland, joined May 2005, 3142 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3477 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 11):
so I do'nt know what to say

That has become obvious.

One suggestion: When a shot is appealed, the decision to accept it or not should be based only on the original reason for rejection, i.e. whether that reason was valid or not.

I'm done talking to you about this now . It's a waste of my time.



Nikon D700, Nikkor 80-400, Fuji X Pro 1, Fujinon 35 f/1.4, Fujinon 18 f/2
User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9644 posts, RR: 68
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3472 times:
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glad you appreciate the effort.

User currently offlineBeechcraft From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 828 posts, RR: 41
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3428 times:

Viv,

i honestly can´t see your problem. We have offered our help, emailed you twice and gave you information and advice in this thread. What else do you want?

Quoting Viv (Reply 12):
I'm done talking to you about this now . It's a waste of my time.

I´m beginning to wonder whose time was wasted here....

Denis



That's it! You people have stood in my way long enough. I'm going to clown college!
User currently onlineJK From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3426 times:

Hey,
I am curios about the picture !!
Let's see the pic and what is the error ??
Regards johan



Viva Tirol . . . . . . . .
User currently offlineViv From Ireland, joined May 2005, 3142 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3423 times:

Quoting Beechcraft (Reply 14):
i honestly can´t see your problem

I don't want to prolong the discussion and I really do appreciate the advice. But I am tired of being told that it is somehow my fault that I have not received the emails about this (which I haven't). The last email I got about this was that the shot had been accepted on appeal.
I have checked with my ISP - everything is ok at my end. Today I have received emails from Ireland, England, France, Ecuador and Luxembourg. My email is working.

[Edited 2007-02-14 17:42:45]


Nikon D700, Nikkor 80-400, Fuji X Pro 1, Fujinon 35 f/1.4, Fujinon 18 f/2
User currently offlineThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2072 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3398 times:
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Just came across this one: Spam Protection In Photographer Contact Form (by Administrator Feb 13 2007 in Aviation Photography)

I'm not an expert but maybe this new filter has something to do with Viv not receiving the e-mails?

Thierry



"Go ahead...make my day"
User currently offlineCalgaryBill From Canada, joined May 2006, 686 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3394 times:

Most ISP's have spam filters and arbitrarily block e-mails for any of a number of reasons: the e-mail didn't come from another ISP (ie: when someone sends from a domain name like @airliners.net but sends the e-mail through @myISP.net's server), if a certain number from the same domain hit the filter in a given period of time, the list goes on.

So @airliners.net might be in the ISP's spam list, or it might not but still be blocked. You might also have accidently blocked it in your own spam filter (I've done it!). Regardless the cause, making comments like "it's a waste of my time" is hardly fair given that the problem isn't diagnosed and the screeners have been trying to help. In all fairness, there are way fewer outgoing spam filters than incoming, so if e-mails were sent to you, they are much less likely to have been stopped at the source than at the receiving end.

B


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9644 posts, RR: 68
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3376 times:
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Viv - I sent you a test email - using the original subject title - about a hour ago.

Did you receive it?


User currently offlineDC10Tim From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1406 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3367 times:

You should be able to put the "@airliners.net" domain name on a safe list so that everything sent from there automatically comes straight through. Anomalies like this do crop up from time to time. One forum member, and only that member couldn't receive emails from a hotmail account of mine a while back and his ISP were completely clueless to the problem. I switched email accounts and everything works fine now.

Regards,

Tim.



Obviously missing something....
User currently offlineViv From Ireland, joined May 2005, 3142 posts, RR: 28
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3340 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 19):
I sent you a test email - using the original subject title - about a hour ago.

Did you receive it?

Royal,

Yes, I received it. Thanks.

The previous failure must have been a one-off glitch. Not worth spending more time on.

And thanks for your help. I apologise for sounding off at you.

[Edited 2007-02-14 19:55:08]


Nikon D700, Nikkor 80-400, Fuji X Pro 1, Fujinon 35 f/1.4, Fujinon 18 f/2
User currently offlineTransIsland From Bahamas, joined Mar 2004, 2046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3245 times:

Quoting CalgaryBill (Reply 18):
Most ISP's have spam filters and arbitrarily block e-mails for any of a number of reasons: the e-mail didn't come from another ISP (ie: when someone sends from a domain name like @airliners.net but sends the e-mail through @myISP.net's server), if a certain number from the same domain hit the filter in a given period of time, the list goes on.

So @airliners.net might be in the ISP's spam list, or it might not but still be blocked. You might also have accidently blocked it in your own spam filter (I've done it!). Regardless the cause, making comments like "it's a waste of my time" is hardly fair given that the problem isn't diagnosed and the screeners have been trying to help. In all fairness, there are way fewer outgoing spam filters than incoming, so if e-mails were sent to you, they are much less likely to have been stopped at the source than at the receiving end.

Exactly!

And many ISP's do this without their customers knowledge... I'm dealing with two (mainly), and about every month they re-activate the spam filter for my account, which I then insist they turn off again, as I don't like them making decisions for me. One thing that gets stuck in that filter, for instance, is Amazon.com order confirmations (whereas shipping confirmations go through).



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User currently offlineCalgaryBill From Canada, joined May 2006, 686 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3185 times:

Quoting TransIsland (Reply 22):
And many ISP's do this without their customers knowledge...

Mine does it with our knowledge, but they don't bother looking to see if anything is in their filter. It takes on average 25 minutes to get through their phone system to talk to somebody, then they just deny anyone is on the blacklist instead of actually looking. Better yet, they blame the sending ISP for blocking stuff coming to me!

I've also tried resolving blocked addresses using their e-mail system but never received a response. Fortunately they haven't blocked anything from Airliners.net, but maybe as more and more people in Western Canada submit images and e-mail volume increases, it could become problematic with the way my ISP works.

B


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