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A380 US Visit Rules?  
User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1642 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3518 times:

Monday, should things go according to plan, will probably be one of the most significant events happening in the United States this year pertaining to civil aviation, with the A380 scheduled to hit both coasts for their first stateside visit. The only more newsworthy event this year as far as I can see is the potential 787 fanfare that will likely take place later in the year.

A couple of questions, then, for the screeners. First, even though this doesn't cleanly fit into the criteria for priority screening, I know certain other events have been granted special clearance. In my opinion this should, too. Who wants to look at JFK/LAX A380 approach shots a week after the fact, what with all the other media outlets that will carry pictures of the event?

Second, this will be my first experience "shooting with the masses", and I'm envisioning dozens if not hundreds of photogs out with me at JFK on Monday. There will be limited viewing angles, meaning that there will probably be a lot of submissions of pretty much the same exact angle. How do the "double" and "common" rules play into this scenario?

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User currently offlineCalgaryBill From Canada, joined May 2006, 686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3483 times:

The "priority" question was asked just a couple days ago in another thread and the response was "no."

What Pictures Qualify For Priority Screening (by Paparadzi Mar 7 2007 in Aviation Photography)

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User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3148 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3438 times:

Quoting CalgaryBill (Reply 1):

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Wasn't priority for other countries too IIRC and the United States are not more important than other countries.

georg


User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1642 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3413 times:

Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 2):
Wasn't priority for other countries too IIRC and the United States are not more important than other countries.

I didn't mean to imply that the United States is more important than other countries. My thought process went along the lines of the occasional industry airshows (outside the US, I might add) that qualify for priority screening. In any event, sounds like the answer is "no".


User currently offlineDC10Tim From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1406 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3374 times:

Quoting CalgaryBill (Reply 1):
Wasn't priority for other countries too IIRC and the United States are not more important than other countries.

Hmmmmmmmm, I seem to think LHR shots on its first visit made their way in here very quickly.

We are damned important though Big grin

Regards,

Tim.



Obviously missing something....
User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12027 posts, RR: 47
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3344 times:
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Quoting DC10Tim (Reply 4):
Hmmmmmmmm, I seem to think LHR shots on its first visit made their way in here very quickly.

They did, but it was by accident, not design.

Given the huge media and public interest in the event, it seemed that a.net missed an opportunity (as they may be doing again in the US).



Hey AA, the 1960s called. They want their planes back!
User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3185 times:

I will be lloking up to the sky with my 1200mm lens at approximately 11:15am over Boston.....
Ya think I will see it?
mark Garfinkel


User currently offlineWoody001 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 529 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3145 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 5):
They did, but it was by accident, not design.

Given the huge media and public interest in the event, it seemed that a.net missed an opportunity (as they may be doing again in the US).

This is correct, I added an A380 LHR shot. In my opinion it created a lot of interest and hence revenue for the site. But hey, what do I know...  Smile

Ian.



If I could just get the afterburner working...
User currently offlineINNflight From Austria, joined Apr 2004, 3765 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3129 times:

Quoting Tappan (Reply 6):
Ya think I will see it?

You better do....  Smile

Not sure why an event with large media interest is not given priority....just for the rules sake.



Jet Visuals
User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 43
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3077 times:

Anybody know how to track it?
Thx,
Mark G


User currently offlineEDDL From Germany, joined Dec 2002, 738 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3072 times:

Quoting Tappan (Reply 9):
Anybody know how to track it?

http://www.flightview.com/TravelTools/

LH8940

Good luck, Mark!

Phil / EDDL


User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3061 times:

Phil,
Thank you very much!!
Have a great day.
Mark
p.s great day for Lufthansa, Airbus, Germany and US and the aviation world...and a.net photogs  Wink


User currently offlineEDDL From Germany, joined Dec 2002, 738 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3048 times:

Quoting Tappan (Reply 11):
Phil,
Thank you very much!!
Have a great day.
Mark
p.s great day for Lufthansa, Airbus, Germany and US and the aviation world...and a.net photogs Wink

Mark, if there's no moon in the A380 picture I am gonna be disappointed.  Wink

Phil / EDDL


User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 43
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2805 times:

I did not see it....The trans Atlantic flights were very visible, with great contrails, until a layer of clouds made the sky a milky mess. When do we get to see the a.netters pics from LAX and JFK ?
Mark Garfinkel
P.S This is not about the greatness that the planes landed in the States. This is a large spectacle for airbus and aviation in general. In other words..If this was a maden flight to ANY location.. Russia, Poland, China ...anywhere, I think it would be nice if those were screened in a timely fashion. Screeners, don't get upset with me...Here me out. Who will have better pics and knowledge of this plane and those airports? A media guy or an a.netter??


User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3148 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2774 times:

Just checked the other site...8 of the 45 Top 24h pics are not of the 380! That's not what I want to see.

georg


User currently offlineBeechcraft From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 828 posts, RR: 43
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2685 times:

Quoting Tappan (Reply 13):
When do we get to see the a.netters pics from LAX and JFK ?

There are some pictures in the Q, their time will come. As I have one waiting as well and plan to upload some more, i hope it won´t take too long.... Smile

Quoting Tappan (Reply 13):
Who will have better pics and knowledge of this plane and those airports? A media guy or an a.netter??

I think we all know the answer to this. You wouldn´t believe how many stupid questions i have heard from the press about the 380....

cheers,

Denis



That's it! You people have stood in my way long enough. I'm going to clown college!
User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5607 posts, RR: 45
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2661 times:
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Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 14):
Just checked the other site...8 of the 45 Top 24h pics are not of the 380! That's not what I want to see.

Here's something, not only am I agreeing with Georg (and that doesn't happen every day!) but I am going to kick in a little support for Anet screening policies.
As I write this 24 of the top 30 pics of last 24hrs at "The Other Site" are prosaic and repetitive(used that before) pictures of the A-380 at JFK or LAX (mostly JFK funnily enough).
The top 30 or so of last 24hrs at this site show a much wider range of interesting images that IMHO have much more to offer the aviation enthusiast than several dozen more "Whale Jets"

Cheers



If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5825 posts, RR: 41
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2646 times:

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 16):
As I write this 24 of the top 30 pics of last 24hrs at "The Other Site" are prosaic and repetitive(used that before) pictures of the A-380 at JFK or LAX (mostly JFK funnily enough).

how many do you reckon will be top of the day/48hrs when the A380 appears in the db from JFK & LAX? to be honest i'm not that enthused by the A380 in the USA or anywhere else for that matter. bet you $$ that whats on the other site will be here too...  Wink

[Edited 2007-03-21 02:30:37]


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User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3148 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 weeks ago) and read 2632 times:

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 17):

Not so many I guess b/c most Photogs know about the 380 not being priority here and wait to upload them. Or some Photogs might not have the time to shoot the 380 get home, edit and upload before the plane reached the gate. Some might just get back to work come home in the evening and play with their children before sitting down and edit the pics. We also know about the acceptance ratios here on Anet and I think more pics of that event will be rejected just for editing too fast to be the first one.

So probably we'll see just 30 out of 45 being the 380 at FRA/LAX/JFK Big grin If it is so, OK if most people like to see the pics but me not, but i don't care too much about this - there are more important things than that.

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 16):

 checkmark 

Quoting Beechcraft (Reply 15):

Do you have just a few words about the flight or already typing a 6000 word long trip report?

georg


User currently offlineINNflight From Austria, joined Apr 2004, 3765 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2601 times:

Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 18):
or already typing a 6000 word long trip report?

Do you reckon it's okay to link our little A380 to America feature here Denis?  Wink



Jet Visuals
User currently offlineBeechcraft From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 828 posts, RR: 43
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2572 times:

Don´t know for sure, Florian,
but you signature already says it all  Smile

Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 18):
Do you have just a few words about the flight

Of, course i have view words. Some more or less random thoughts:

It´s been one of the best trips i´ve had as a passenger. It was a very comfortably ride, even in economy class, with an extremely nice and professional service by the whole crew (a small trip through the cabin took Cpt. Raps appr. 1,5h, as he took the time to chat a bit with a lot of people). The noise level in the cabin was very quiet, execpt for all the people chatting, of course, i spent some time playing around with the IFE and also, the 380 was flying very smooth, no turbulence could be felt, i hardly felt any force during take off, it´s flying like a rock, if that´s the right description.

All the impressions still have to settle and i will hopefully start with a trip report on the flight back home.

cheers,

Denis



That's it! You people have stood in my way long enough. I'm going to clown college!
User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12163 posts, RR: 36
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2544 times:
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Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 18):
Photogs might not have the time to shoot the 380 get home, edit and upload before the plane reached the gate

Who needs to go home when one can upload from a laptop using a cell phone? Big grin



911, where is your emergency?
User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3148 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2503 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 21):

Who needs to go home when one can upload from a laptop using a cell phone?

Some people are far beyond my impression. Big grin

Quoting Beechcraft (Reply 20):

Thanks for the small summary Denis.

georg


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