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Canon 400D Or Nikon D40X For Plane Pics?  
User currently offlineSimon Cooper From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 404 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 9 months 6 hours ago) and read 5114 times:

Hi Guys

I currently have the Canon 300D for taking pictures of planes. Whilst I have been pleased with the results, I have had problems with the well known Canon issue of darkness!
So..... the 400D and D40x are out in the shops. Which in your opinion is the best camera for taking plane pictures, anyone have any experience? Or should I stick with the 300D?

Many thanks

Simon

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User currently offlineDiezel From Netherlands, joined Oct 2002, 646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 6 hours ago) and read 5100 times:

Remember that the D40x has no internal AF motor. Which means that only AF-S or AF-I lenses can be used in autofocus mode. This might not be an issue as almost all new Nikkors are Af-S but you better know about it before buying it.

Roel.



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User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1925 posts, RR: 32
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 6 hours ago) and read 5097 times:

Hi Simon,

Can you please explain a littel more what's the "Canon issue of darkness" you are referring to? Are the photos you're taking coming out dark a little or are certain areas dark?

It could be related to your camera settings. If so, you may also be disappointed with your new purchase since it may probably be due to mishandling rather than the camera itself.

Regards.


User currently offlineSimon Cooper From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 404 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 5 hours ago) and read 5091 times:

Hi OD720

Canon's are well known for taking slightly darker pictures, which isn't really a huge problem when you can lighten them up using photoshop. That's what I meant, I just wondered if they had addressed this issue on the newer model.


Diezel

Hi, thanks for your comments, I didn't realise that, so that is obvioulsly something to consider!

Any more ideas?

Thanks again.


User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1925 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 5 hours ago) and read 5087 times:

Quoting Simon Cooper (Reply 3):
Hi OD720

Canon's are well known for taking slightly darker pictures, which isn't really a huge problem when you can lighten them up using photoshop. That's what I meant, I just wondered if they had addressed this issue on the newer model.

I've used the 300D for almost 3 years and haven't had that problem myself. Try to overexpose a little, like +1/3 or even +2/3.

Lightening up photos in Photoshop could result in some noise in the darker areas and may also increase grain. It's best to have a well exposed image in the first place.

Regards.


User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5747 posts, RR: 44
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 5 hours ago) and read 5081 times:
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Quoting Simon Cooper (Reply 3):
Canon's are well known for taking slightly darker pictures,

Really, All three of my Canon DSLRs tend towards overexposure.... with the the D30 likely the most accurate/neutral

I would be working on technique rather than swapping cameras due to some perceived issue.

Cheers

C



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User currently offlineSimon Cooper From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 404 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 5 hours ago) and read 5076 times:

ok, thanks for your comments, all are appreciated.

Back to the topic........ IF I upgrade which one do you recommend?


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 4 hours ago) and read 5073 times:

Quoting Simon Cooper (Thread starter):
I have had problems with the well known Canon issue of darkness!



Quoting Simon Cooper (Reply 3):
Canon's are well known for taking slightly darker pictures



Quoting StealthZ (Reply 5):
Really, All three of my Canon DSLRs tend towards overexposure

Learn to set your exposure and you won't have the over or under exposure "problem".

Quoting Simon Cooper (Reply 6):
IF I upgrade which one do you recommend?

Neither is much of an upgrade.


User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1925 posts, RR: 32
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 4 hours ago) and read 5061 times:

Quoting JeffM (Reply 7):
Neither is much of an upgrade.

And don't take this advice too lightly either.


User currently offlineCalgaryBill From Canada, joined May 2006, 686 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 hours ago) and read 5037 times:

If you're already invested in Canon lenses then there isn't much value in switching. Both brands take great pictures - I shoot Nikon but I wouldn't consider it an upgrade as Canon also makes great cameras and lenses.

Get yourself a light meter and in camera compensation won't be an issue. It's cheaper than buying a new camera and will have a positive impact on all your photography.

B


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months ago) and read 5023 times:

Quoting CalgaryBill (Reply 9):
Get yourself a light meter and in camera compensation won't be an issue. It's cheaper than buying a new camera and will have a positive impact on all your photography.

 thumbsup   thumbsup   thumbsup 

Thanks, everyone was getting tired of hearing me say that....


User currently offlineSimon Cooper From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 404 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months ago) and read 5013 times:

thanks again everyone for all you help.......

I use a Tamron 28-300mm lens, I like just having the one lens to save changing, I don't think Canon make this range unless it's over £1000!!! So, that is the only lens I have to fit the Canon.

Any advice on any other lens?

A light meter? Never thought of that, might be an idea for me to luck into!

Simon


User currently offlineCalgaryBill From Canada, joined May 2006, 686 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4998 times:

Quoting Simon Cooper (Reply 11):
A light meter? Never thought of that, might be an idea for me to luck into!

The Sekonic L358 is a great little meter. Price and function wise, it's in the middle of the pack - you could get a cheaper one, or you could spend more. The L-358 is very accurate, you can add a spot meter later if you choose, and if you ever want to do studio work it'll work with flashes (you can even upgrade it with a PocketWizard wireless trigger if you like).

B


User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5499 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4945 times:

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 5):
Really, All three of my Canon DSLRs tend towards overexposure

I never had a problem with over/underexposure until I had my 300D for over a year. I could take 3-4 consecutive shots and 1 would be completely cooked. Doesn't happen all the time though. A friend of mine took it to europe about 4 months ago, about 60 of 500 shots were useless.


User currently offlineCalgaryBill From Canada, joined May 2006, 686 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4944 times:

Quoting Dazed767 (Reply 13):
I could take 3-4 consecutive shots and 1 would be completely cooked.

Did you try it in manual mode? If the same problem happens, there's something wrong with either your shutter or aperature control. If it only happens in an auto mode (A, S, P etc) then it's a software issue. Couldn't hurt to send it to Canon for a checkup.

B


User currently offlineMonteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 28
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4934 times:

Don't go from a 300D to a 400D... thats pointless. You're better off buying a used 30D if that is your price range.


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User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5499 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4920 times:

Quoting CalgaryBill (Reply 14):
Couldn't hurt to send it to Canon for a checkup.

I haven't shot in M mode yet, but it's been 5 months since I've touched it since I picked up a 20D. I might just send it in to get looked at, it would still serve as a good backup cam once I get this problem fixed.


User currently offlineMonteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 28
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4912 times:

Quoting CalgaryBill (Reply 14):
Couldn't hurt to send it to Canon for a checkup.

It could hurt the hip pocket. They tried to jack me for over $100 AUD on a warranty claim for my 400D dust sensor being U/S. I told them to stick it up their a$$. Its since been explained to me that Canon will try to bleed money from people, any way they can.



It's a beautiful night to fly like a phoenix...
User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4891 times:

Quoting Simon Cooper (Reply 3):
Canon's are well known for taking slightly darker pictures

Incorrect. The 350D and 30D similarly over-expose. As others have said, changing metering modes along with tinkering with stop compensationn will sort out any problems. To understand how these work either read your manual again or buy a book on photography.

A light meter would be useful but you're best (IMO) just using trial and error until you get it right. A light meter will cost you a fair wedge and (after said trial and error) probably won't improve your pics a great deal.

Karl


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4886 times:

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 18):

Incorrect. The 350D and 30D similarly over-expose. ....................

You wouldn't say that if you compare camera readings with an incident meter's readings.

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 18):

A light meter would be useful but you're best (IMO) just using trial and error until you get it right

Trial and error?  rotfl  Great advice.

Screw that, buy a meter, learn to use it, and start getting the right exposures ....you'll be glad you did. And you'll learn a lot along the way.


User currently offlineCalgaryBill From Canada, joined May 2006, 686 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4875 times:

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 18):

A light meter would be useful but you're best (IMO) just using trial and error until you get it right.

The right tool for the job.... and I've never heard of "trial and error" referred to as a tool. A light meter will make your life a lot easier and improve your image quality.

B


User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4809 times:

Quoting CalgaryBill (Reply 20):
A light meter will make your life a lot easier and improve your image quality

........And significantly decrease the weight of your wallet.

I'm not saying they are a bad idea but in my opinion the price tag doesn't justify the benefits they offer. That said, I only ever shoot in good weather and, through said trial and error, have found my optimum settings without use of a meter. Let's face it, for the most part (and in good light) the camera does a pretty accurate job of reading each situation in modes such as Av and Tv. I very rarely use full manual mode (admittedlly when I do I do think a meter would be nice but not essential) so therefore my need for a meter is very limited. I rarely have exposure problems but on occasions when I do, yes, a light meter would be helpful - if they were cheaper!

Karl


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4789 times:

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 21):
I'm not saying they are a bad idea but in my opinion the price tag doesn't justify the benefits they offer

After having used mine for so long, I wouldn't hesitate to pay twice what I did for it. It IS that accurated, and essential if I want to know what is the correct exposure quickly and without question.

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 21):
Let's face it, for the most part (and in good light) the camera does a pretty accurate job of reading each situation in modes such as Av and Tv.

Sure...that is why we have so many threads about rejections/exposure.....  Yeah sure


User currently offlineCalgaryBill From Canada, joined May 2006, 686 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4732 times:

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 21):
I'm not saying they are a bad idea but in my opinion the price tag doesn't justify the benefits they offer.

You can get a used incident meter for under $100, a brand new Gossen for under $200 - that's "significant? Is that too expensive for consistently getting accurately exposed images? I suspect you spent more than that for your camera? Considering there is an entire industry built around light meters, the Zone system, etc, it would appear that a lot of pro's out there disagree with you.

Quoting JeffM (Reply 22):
Sure...that is why we have so many threads about rejections/exposure.....

Couldn't have said it better myself!

B


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