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User currently offlineNeilnvc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3227 times:

Hi everyone,

This is my first post, and I just hope to be posting in the right forum, anyways I was wondering, I wanted to start taking pictures for airliners.net of course and was wondering if to begin my Sony DSC-H1 with a 12x optical zoom 5.1 mp is good enough for this site. And btw if anyone is from YUL, I am a half way through my training as a IFR Air Traffic Controller here in YUL, so let me know if you are near YUL or a YUL controller.

Thanks for everyone who might answer to my post,

later,

-Neil

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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3214 times:

Neil,

The answer is: It depends.

If your going to be taking lots of pictures of static aircraft that you are near in broad daylight, you'll probably be ok. BUT if you want more flexibility (distance and action); you'll have to go bigger.

I got a D80 (with the two lens kit) and it's been a wonderful camera. I ended up getting a Quantray 70-300 and I haven't looked back.

My advice is go to DPreview.com, read about DSLRs and ignore what the Nikon(myself) and Cannon cheerleaders have to say. Choose the best you can afford that YOU like.

Also remember that while the camera does SOME work, it's ultimately your picture, and you HAVE to edit it after taking the shot.


User currently offlineLanas From Argentina, joined Aug 2006, 978 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3210 times:

Hi Neil!

Welcome to the forum!!! Yes, this is the place where this topics are discussed.  camera 
So, regarding your camera, I guess it´s fine for the site, maybe not the best, but it can produce good results as long as you know how to handle it. If you have a manual function it will be good to learn how to use it because that way you´ll get the best out of your equipment. Also, I believe the glass in these new Sonys is quite good (Zeiss glass if i´m not wrong).
It would be great if you posted some of your shots.  thumbsup 

Cheers!  wave 
Lanas.-



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User currently offlineN405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3186 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 1):
My advice is go to DPreview.com, read about DSLRs and ignore what the Nikon(myself) and Cannon cheerleaders have to say. Choose the best you can afford that YOU like.

I already did that, and men, how confuse I´m now about the Alpha 100 or the EOS XTi  Confused both seem to be great cameras, and both are good priced but I haven´t decided yet for one  Sad

Quoting Neilnvc (Thread starter):
was wondering if to begin my Sony DSC-H1 with a 12x optical zoom 5.1 mp is good enough for this site.



Quoting TedTAce (Reply 1):
The answer is: It depends.

Totally Agree. for example, I started to upload to a.net with a Sony DSC-P43 4.1mpix:


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Now I´m using a Sony DSC-W7 7.2mpix, 3x optical zoom:


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And now I want to take other kinds of shots, not only static aircraft, also some approachs, etc, maybe the H1 will do good, check in the site, there are several shots with the H1.

Saludos



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12217 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3163 times:
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Quoting TedTAce (Reply 1):
Also remember that while the camera does SOME work, it's ultimately your picture, and you HAVE to edit it after taking the shot.

Exactly. I have a decent DSLR (Sony A100), but don't know shit about photography, hence my many rejections.



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3115 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 4):
hence my many rejections

Most of them for 'personal'  duck 


User currently offlineAussieAviator From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3101 times:

Hi there Neil,

As an amateur/enthusiast "photographer", I would have to suggest that in the first instance; you should consider buying the best Digital SLR camera you can afford. I don't mean spend upwards of $15,000 for one, but at least consider something like the Canon EOS 400D or Nikon D40/50. Many of the newer model DSLR cameras are becoming increasingly affordable. I would personally suggest you should consider sticking with either the Canon or Nikon brand.
Their respective camera equipment is simply brilliant.

There will always be the Canon-v-Nikon rivalry, but in reality, both companies produce the highest quality equipment.
Sony and Olympus are fast catching up though !

When i decided to enter the digital foray, I purchased a Panasonic Lumix DMC FZ-30. This was my first BIG mistake ! I found this lower end type of equipment suffers serious limitations, especially at night and with high ISO settings.
I wish I had have contributed the money towards a decent DSLR in the first instance!

I am now going to buy a Nikon D80 with some additional lenses.

As you are just starting out, it might be prudent to consider purchasing a DSLR second hand - from a reputable dealer, or from eBay? If you can score a good deal, say on a Canon EOS 300/350D - then this will be a great platform to learn on, yet still be able to produce stunning results!

Be aware of the current 'prosumer' type camera equipment. No matter what the sales person may tell you, these cameras aren't quite DSLR quality - yet, that is!

A DSLR camera will offer you a greater 'f-stop' (aperture) range; shutter speeds; ISO settings and other goodies.
The only real dilemma with DSLR's is keeping the sensor dust free - assuming the user is changing lenses often.

Well, that's my contribution mate. Good luck! I hope ATC training goes well for you too.

Cheers,

Graham Slingsby
Australia



Graham Slingsby
User currently offlineNeilnvc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3045 times:

Hey, Thanx everyone for the replys really appreciate it, to be honest I don't really know much about photography so I guess for now I'll wait to finish my training and save up some money when im done with training and buy a better camera and pay myself some lessons, but do you think there is anything to do with this picture??? I honestly think that the overall quality is not good enough and that the picture is maybe too bright anyways, thanx again later,

-Neil

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User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3018 times:

Quoting Neilnvc (Reply 7):

Yep. It's soft, grainy, and the top of the fuselage is blown out. It's good that you recognize flaws in your picture though, because it's through that that you learn what to do next time.

As for a camera, you really don't want to bother with anything less that a DSLR if you're serious about taking action shots for A.net. Something like the Canon 350D (Rebel XT) or 400D (Rebel XTi) or the Nikon D40x (not the D40) would be great to start with.

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 1):
I ended up getting a Quantray 70-300 and I haven't looked back.

Please don't take this personally Ted as that's not how this is intended but...

The Quantaray 70-300 has its upsides and it's a good lens if you already have one, but it's also very slow and very noisy. For the same money, you can have superior lens with about the same zoom range from companies like Sigma, Canon, or Nikon. Each of them offer this type of lens for about $150 USD.



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User currently offlineNeilnvc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2982 times:

Quoting AC773 (Reply 8):
Yep. It's soft, grainy, and the top of the fuselage is blown out. It's good that you recognize flaws in your picture though, because it's through that that you learn what to do next time.

I see what the problems are but I am not sure how to fix them, what causes the picture to be grainy ??? Is it me that is moving too much while taking the picture or is it wrong settings with my camera at it's maximum zoom or is it just my camera at that zoom that isn't performing well ???

thanks again for your replys,

-Neil


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2963 times:

Quoting AC773 (Reply 8):
very slow and very noisy.

Yeap, it's in part more slow b/c it very often has to reset the focus from scratch going all the way out of focus then back. It also make more noise then a busted chainsaw, but when your being upstaged by an F-15e @ full afterburner, no one tends to notice  Wink but if you can overlook those quirks, it's a DECENT lens for what it does.


User currently offlineN405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2960 times:

Quoting Neilnvc (Reply 9):
what causes the picture to be grainy ???



Quoting Neilnvc (Reply 9):
Is it me that is moving too much while taking the picture



Quoting Neilnvc (Reply 9):
is it wrong settings with my camera at it's maximum zoom or is it just my camera at that zoom that isn't performing well ???

Has to do with several factors, too much light, movement and most af all, camera settings -maybe not your case, but it can be a damaged sensor- , if you´re using the sony, with much light it tends to do some grain, but with the sony let it shot with the P selected -program of the camera- if you´re taking shots at night, you can use the M -manual setings- to do the shot.

Saludos



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User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2943 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 10):
but if you can overlook those quirks, it's a DECENT lens for what it does.

 checkmark  Like I said, it's not a dog - I just can't recommend it to prospective buyers given all the other lenses in that price range.



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