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User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 22
Posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4014 times:

Hi all,

First, apologies for the lengthy post!

I've had an Olympus C-8080WZ for almost 3 years now and, even though I've loved it and used it heavily with great results, it's time to replace it with something better. After some research and pondering I think I've settled down to getting a Rebel XTi which can be had at a very good price these days. However, I now have to face the intimidating task of choosing lenses for it (and the only thing I know about SLRs / lenses is what I've read up on the web).

In terms of what I shoot: apart from aviation-related shooting (and that's mainly window / cabin / cockpit shots) I enjoy shooting nature (landscapes, flowers, etc.) and buildings (I have a bit of a fetish for huge cathedral exteriors and interiors) and cities during my frequent travels.

Now, the problem I have is that I can't spend too much money on lenses right now, as I have to book a couple of transatlantic trips for over the summer (and it look as if I'm going to be raped by Lufthansa big time; but that's another story...). But I would like to get a new camera soon-ish, as I have a few problems with my old one (the polarizer has fallen apart, the battery is dying, the LCD screen has been scratched), but I'd rather not put more money on it and invest it instead on a new one.

So, I spent a few evenings researching lenses and I think, at least for the beginning, I'd like to get a good prime and a non-expensive general-purpose one (any more specialized ones and/or a good telephoto zoom can be purchased later; I just want to get started). Here are the ones I'm currently looking at.

- for the prime I think I'll go for the EF 50mm f/1.4 USM. I can find it for $299 and it looks to be a good compromise (in both price and quality) between the very cheap f/1.8 and the prohibitively expensive (for me) f/1.2.

- for the general purpose lens I'm looking at the EF 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5 II USM. I can find it for $229.

Here's my thinking behind this one. There are a couple of other general purpose lenses I could get instead. The EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM for example (at $499) or the EF 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5 USM ($335 or so). However, at $229, the EF 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5 II USM is very inexpensive and I will not be too guilty replacing it in the near future (but I would be more guilty replacing a $500 lens for example). Additionally, it takes the same filters as the prime above (58mm) and I won't have to buy the filters twice (again, at least for the moment). Maybe in half a year / a year's time I'll consider splashing a bit more money on something like the EF 24-70mm f/2.8 L USM (and, at a cool $1,150, I really can't afford it right now).

One more thing. What I really liked about my Olympus is that it has a pretty wide lens (equivalent to 28-140mm) which has been great for over-wing shots, rooms, and landscapes. However, the 28-105mm (which will be 45-168mm on the Rebel, unless I got this wrong!) will not be as wide. But I think I'll just have to put up with that.

So, is my thinking right here? Or is there another solution that I'm missing? Should I consider the EF-S series? I would appreciate all the feedback you guys can give me.

Many thanks for reading and happy shooting!

Tony

[Edited 2007-05-08 06:02:38]


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User currently offlineCarlos From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 225 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3965 times:

Hello Tony,

what do you think about the EF-S 17-85? In my opinion it is a good lens with IS. I do understand that you don't want to spend a lot of money for a lens. But think about the fact that the lens is more important than the body. If you don't have a good lens you will not be able to make good photos.

I also use the EF 70-200 4L and this lens is very good for aviation pictures. Maybe you will be able to get a second hand lens?

Greetings
Klaus


User currently offlineWalter2222 From Belgium, joined Sep 2005, 1293 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3957 times:

Quoting SNATH (Thread starter):
the general purpose lens I'm looking at the EF 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5 II USM.

Hi Tony,

I have this - general purpose - lens and I am very pleased with it, certainly because it was a lot cheaper than the EF 24-105mm f/4 L IS USM, it is very light and really suited to take along while traveling! The quality is not as good as the "L" lenses, but for "general purpose" it is very well suited!

reading this really convinced me:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/s...p?product=206&sort=7&cat=27&page=2

Quoting SNATH (Thread starter):
However, the 28-105mm (which will be 45-168mm on the Rebel, unless I got this wrong!) will not be as wide. But I think I'll just have to put up with that.

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if you really need a wide angle, you will soon be able to buy one with the money saved on the general purpose lens  Smile

Good luck with the purchase and hope to see some results here soon!

Best regards,

Walter



canon 340d ;-) - EFS10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM - EFS18-55mm - EF28-105mm f3.5/4.5 - EF100-400mm f4.5-5.6l is usm - ...
User currently offlineRichPhitzwell From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3932 times:

I dont want to hijack this thread but could you guys list both the best lens for the limited resources and the best combination of lenses for aviation pics period. I have my heart on a 100 400L is but I really am concerned about how slow that lens is.

So please tell both cheap and expensive.


User currently offlineWalter2222 From Belgium, joined Sep 2005, 1293 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3913 times:

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 3):
So please tell both cheap and expensive.

That's a real difficult questions to answer, it really depends on several factors (what's the intended use, where, when, light conditions, distance to the subject(s), camera(s) being used, preference, feel, budget, ....). Quality of "Primes" is always better than zooms, but zooms offer more flexibility (and less cost to cover a same range of "mm")...
Tony described pretty well his intentions and limitations and some other factors. So, that questions is more easy to answer  Smile

PS: I use the 100-400L IS USM as well, and I am satisfied with it (I cannot afford primes).

Best regards,

Walter



canon 340d ;-) - EFS10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM - EFS18-55mm - EF28-105mm f3.5/4.5 - EF100-400mm f4.5-5.6l is usm - ...
User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3897 times:

Hey guys,

First, thanks for the replies and apologies for the slow answer; I'm at a conference (JavaOne) and I have very little "a.net-time" this week!

Quoting Carlos (Reply 1):
what do you think about the EF-S 17-85?

So, I did look at it and it's getting good write-ups; very good in fact. But, I just don't know whether I want to invest money on an EF-S lens. Also, at $500+ it's kinda out of my range for the moment. As I said, I think I have my mind set on the EF 24-70mm f/2.8 L USM in the long term, but I just can't afford it right now.

Quoting Carlos (Reply 1):
I also use the EF 70-200 4L and this lens is very good for aviation pictures.

I've been looking at the EF 70-200 variants and I think I will end up with one some time in the future, but not now!

Quoting Walter2222 (Reply 2):
I have this - general purpose - lens and I am very pleased with it,

Hi Walter! Hope you're well. I'm glad to hear this!

Quoting Walter2222 (Reply 2):
and really suited to take along while traveling!

...which is one of my requirements!

Quoting Walter2222 (Reply 2):
The quality is not as good as the "L" lenses,

...of course! But as long as the Rebel + lens combo will yield better results than my Olympus, I think it'd be an OK intermediate solution.

Quoting Walter2222 (Reply 2):
reading this really convinced me:

Thanks for the link; yes, what I read was basically what I was expecting.

Quoting Walter2222 (Reply 2):
if you really need a wide angle, you will soon be able to buy one with the money saved on the general purpose lens

My thoughts exactly. But I have to say having had a wide lens for the past three years, it's become very addictive! It's great, I've found, for over the wing pictures, as you can get a huge part of the wing, as well as the nice landscape below.

Quoting Walter2222 (Reply 2):
Good luck with the purchase and hope to see some results here soon!

Thanks! Me too!

Tony



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User currently offlineRichPhitzwell From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3864 times:

Quoting Walter2222 (Reply 4):
camera(s) being used, preference, feel, budget, ....).

Ya im difficult at work too, but to answer.

Budget. screw it. but if a $6000 lens is only .01% better than a $2000 lens say so and otherwise ignore the $6000

Preference, night and low light dusk primarly for in planes in flight

If there really is no reason to debate then feel free to just ignore and say go with the 100 400L IS


User currently offlineWalter2222 From Belgium, joined Sep 2005, 1293 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3858 times:

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 6):
Preference, night and low light dusk primarily for in planes in flight

Then, I would recommend indeed "L" lenses, preferably the f/2.8 versions and "IS" is a definitive advantage in low light conditions. Note that f/2.8 lenses are also quiet heavy to handle (certainly if hand-shooting for a complete day out).

To be honest, I only have one "L", the 100-400mm. It is not a fast lens, but for me, it was a good compromise (certainly considering it enormous range and the availability of IS).

Hope this helps  Smile

Best regards,

Walter



canon 340d ;-) - EFS10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM - EFS18-55mm - EF28-105mm f3.5/4.5 - EF100-400mm f4.5-5.6l is usm - ...
User currently offlineN405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

Any information regarding the Canon EF 75-300 f/4-5.6 III USM, i´m seeking for it as my budget almost went down wity the camera, looks good for $180usd -$215 shipped to México- .

Saludos



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User currently offlineWalter2222 From Belgium, joined Sep 2005, 1293 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3790 times:

Quoting N405MX (Reply 8):
Any information regarding the Canon EF 75-300 f/4-5.6 III USM, i´m seeking

Have a look here:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/s...hp?product=18&sort=7&cat=27&page=3

Best regards,

Walter



canon 340d ;-) - EFS10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM - EFS18-55mm - EF28-105mm f3.5/4.5 - EF100-400mm f4.5-5.6l is usm - ...
User currently offlineN405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3770 times:

Quoting Walter2222 (Reply 9):
Have a look here:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/s...hp?product=18&sort=7&cat=27&page=3

Best regards,

Thanks, some good info, also checked some pics here in a.net, good shots with it, I think I´ll get it.

Saludos



Life is what happens when you have other plans.....
User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3745 times:

Quoting N405MX (Reply 8):
Any information regarding the Canon EF 75-300 f/4-5.6 III USM,

"http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EF-75-300mm-f-4-5.6-III-USM-Lens-Review.aspx"

(I've been having trouble turning the URL into a link as the parser is somehow getting confused; you'll just have to paste it into the browser window...)

But, at under $150, this looks like a great deal!

Tony



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User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3736 times:

Hey,

So, I started changing my mind on this. I was travelling for the last couple of weeks and, while I used my old Olympus, I tried to keep track of what focal lengths I most shot with. It turns out that I used the wide end much more than the telephoto end. And I think I'll regret not having a wide lens.

So, I'm currently looking at the EF 17-40mm f/4 L USM

"http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EF-17-40mm-f-4.0-L-USM-Lens-Review.aspx"

OK, it's no very fast, like f/2.8, but at least it's an L lens. It costs more money than I wanted to spend ($650) but it will probably be better in the long run and it will compliment well something like the EF 24-105mm f/4 L IS USM.

Anyway, I'll make up my mind... eventually!

Tony

PS Getting 77mm filters for this lens will not be cheap either! But, at least that seems to be the standard for the L lenses. Anyone can recommend a good 77mm circular polarizer with a good price / performance ratio?

[Edited 2007-05-12 22:49:30]


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User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3711 times:

I was in your position about a year ago. I was considering some primes, maybe the 17-40L, or maybe something else.

I ended up going with the 28-135 IS and a 50mm f/1.8 II ($75 new). The 50 is great, but the 28-135 is an incredibly versatile lens. The zoom range is perfect when you don't know what you'll encounter, and the IS has saved my life on many occasions.

Here's a gallery of some of my shots taken with it in a good mix of zoom ranges, low light, macro, etc.



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User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2871 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3687 times:

I was in this position recently, I also bought a 400D (aka Rebel XTi) and ended up buying a Sigma 18-200 lens as a start for EUR269 (about $365). I find it a very convenient lens because it is light and has a large range. I do find it too soft at the tele-end but very sharp at the wide-end. I'm about to get a Canon 50mm f/1.8 (they're very cheap at 99 Euros) and some macro lenses can be had for about EUR30 - so you even take a pic of a screen-filling mosquito  Smile

I will move on from the Sigma to more expensive lenses once budget allows though.



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3670 times:

Quoting Carlos (Reply 1):
what do you think about the EF-S 17-85

Isn't this the standard lens for the EOS 400D? It's what I got with mine.


User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3669 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 15):
what do you think about the EF-S 17-85

Isn't this the standard lens for the EOS 400D? It's what I got with mine.

The kit lens for the EOS XTi (aka 400D) is the Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 II, i.e. this one:

"http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EF-S-18-55mm-f-3.5-5.6-II-Lens-Review.aspx"

Maybe where you got it from they did you a good deal and gave you the body-only package, along with the EF-S 17-85mm lens, as a better overall solution than the kit lens (which is considered disappointing at best)?

Tony



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