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Clarification On "Dark" Rejections  
User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9644 posts, RR: 68
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4173 times:
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Many uploaders continue to be confused with the proper time to mark their photos as being "Dark," so the purpose of this thread is bring some clarification to the matter.

Photos that are in sunlight, be it early morning or late evening, are not considered dark, and can run the risk of being rejected if they are marked as such.

Dark is reserved for night shots, or those few moments in the very early morning or very late evening when their is still visible light, but not sunlight. If you can see shadows it is most likely not "dark."

Wiki has a couple of good reads on dawn and dusk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dusk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawn

Royal

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User currently offlineEK20 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4124 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter):
a couple of good reads on dawn and dusk

Makes no difference to me...I'm always in bed at those times.  cloudnine 


User currently offlineAviatorG From St. Lucia, joined Apr 2005, 264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4075 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter):

Photos that are in sunlight, be it early morning or late evening, are not considered dark

I'm glad a screener finally clarified this.. I have always been frustrated with 'dark' cateogry selection. Thanks Royal.

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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9644 posts, RR: 68
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4050 times:
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You aren't the only one! I had a shot from LAS rejected for Category.

User currently offlinePrat From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 229 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3979 times:

I noticed there are a few shots still slipping through (added today) with category dark which are clearly not dark as you specified. I've currently got two sunset silhouette shots in the queue, which I would've normally categorized as dark but did not. Am I still correct in my assumption?

Uploadids: 2365729, 2365617 if you'd like to see...

Thanks,
Dan

[Edited 2007-05-15 07:16:17]

User currently offlineKLM772ER From Germany, joined May 2006, 615 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3946 times:

So I marked this one as dark, because it was taken when the sun already had hit the horizon, but there can still some shadows be seen.. so after your description it would be wrong??

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/JA8080Venghaus3.jpg

Cheers,
KLM772ER

[Edited 2007-05-15 15:10:51]

User currently offlineJan Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 2043 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3935 times:

The sun is clearly shining on it.

/JM



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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9644 posts, RR: 68
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3932 times:
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Sun is not below the horizon on that shot, I can see the reflections. So now, that shot is not Dark and would be rejected.

User currently offlineKLM772ER From Germany, joined May 2006, 615 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3921 times:

but what about those 3 photos to just mention a few.. all were added yesterday...

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1210111/L/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1209676/L/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1209652/L/

they are all marked as dark, and that's what I did when I uploaded it... I just look for photos marked as dark, an many of them looked like mine..
I mean I probably will take it away from the queue and reupload it, but on the other hand some other shots are accepted this way...
It is not your fault, and I don't want to blame you Clickhappy.. I just find it kind of strange, that normally shots like that should get rejected for category, and on the other hand lots of get accepted..

Cheers,
KLM772ER


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9644 posts, RR: 68
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3917 times:
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Those photos should all have been rejected for Category. The editors have been asked to fix them.

Your shot will be rejected for Category as it is not dark.

While yours are in less light then the photos you linked to, none of them fit our criteria, which we are trying to better enforce.

Thank you for your uploads.


User currently offlineWakeTurbulence From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1295 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3908 times:

I have seen accepted photos where it should not qualify as "dark" but don't you think that is a little extreme?

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 7):
Sun is not below the horizon on that shot

Is that seriously the qualification now? How would these do with today's definition for example?

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The way Anet has been accepting photos for years is technically twilight, why the change? If the answer is because of shots being added as the above have, why change now and enforce what the technical definition of dawn and dusk are (sun is 6 degrees below the horizion) vs still allowing twilight photos like before?
-Matt



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User currently offline747438 From UK - England, joined Jan 2007, 838 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3906 times:

Quoting WakeTurbulence (Reply 10):

I was thinking the same. Are these no longer dusk/dawn ?


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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9644 posts, RR: 68
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3903 times:
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Matt - I am not sure I understand your question.

User currently offlineWakeTurbulence From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1295 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3890 times:

Sorry, I thought it was a little unclear myself. In the past Anet has accepted what is technically "twilight" shots with no problem, it seems as if it was almost encouraged to mark the dark category when uploading shots such as the ones I have posted and 747438 has posted as well. I quoted you as saying "Sun is not below the horizon on that shot" so I posted my shots in response which don't seem to be dusk as defined by wikipedia.

1. Are the 4 shots I posted acceptable as "dark" defined by Anet today?

2. If not, why the change?

-Matt



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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9644 posts, RR: 68
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3882 times:
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My opinion is, that as a straight "black and white" case, they would *not* be considered dark, but I get the spirit of the point of what you are trying to say, and we are resonable people thus an internal discussion would need to take place. Personally I would allow the above photos (the LAX shots) to be marked as dark, others I am not so sure about as I feel some are manipulated to make them look much more orange than they really are, but that is not what this thread is about.

Why is this being done? Simple, abuse. Just look at some of those photos that were shown above. We are tired of writing the same messages to the same photogs over and over..so, we have to play the bad guy and start rejecting such shots.


User currently offline747438 From UK - England, joined Jan 2007, 838 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3878 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 14):
My opinion is, that as a straight "black and white" case, they would *not* be considered dark,

The category clearly states for shots taken at dusk,dawn or night time


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9644 posts, RR: 68
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3873 times:
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The category clearly states for shots taken at dusk,dawn or night time

It does indeed. And, since the defintion of "civil dusk" is the sun being 6 degrees below the horizon, then clearly if the sun is visible it cannot be dusk.

Glad to see we agree.


User currently offlineWakeTurbulence From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1295 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3856 times:

Got it, thanks Royal.
-Matt



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User currently offlineKLM772ER From Germany, joined May 2006, 615 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3833 times:

Thanks for the clarification!

I deleted my shot, and reuploaded it without the category dark marked..
Another few days more to wait  weeping 

But better than another rejection...  Wink

Cheers
KLM772ER


User currently offlineMatheus From Brazil, joined Nov 2003, 135 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3805 times:

I think It'll be good to add a explanation till next week for shots that on the past were considered dark and now it is not. I got a rejection today because this new rule and I had no ideia of the reason before I post a topic here in the forum.

Thanks

Matt


User currently offlineLennymuir From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2002, 434 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3789 times:

I can see it coming

... new rejections will apply to moonshots as well soon...

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User currently offlineEadster From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2216 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3701 times:

I'm a bit late here, but...

To save confusion, why not just have a night section. Anything else is just causing confusion.

So my suggestion is the section is called "night" and get rid of the "dusk" and "dawn" words as there in lies the problem.


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12627 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3642 times:
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Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 7):
Sun is not below the horizon on that shot, I can see the reflections. So now, that shot is not Dark and would be rejected.

What about shots that are were uploaded, and are still awaiting screening, before this "clarification"?



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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9644 posts, RR: 68
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3633 times:
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I am sure most are being updated by hand, by the screeners during the screening process, unless there are other rejection reasons as well. I know I have updated a ton over the past few days.

User currently offlineAirMalta From Malta, joined Mar 2006, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3565 times:

I know this has nothing to do with this thread but when you have a hybrid colours for eg like below

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1202267/M/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1203727/M/

does that fit with the Colourful special?

Malcolm


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