ThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2157 posts, RR: 37 Posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2701 times:
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Just got a nice e-mail from one of our well respected Headscreeners which drew a broad smile onto my face, stating:
"You are wrong Thierry. We understand our own rules. If the aircraft
doesn't fly, then how can Aviodrome be its operator? It should be
Untitled. It is also NOT a warbird, as it is unmarked. Please check the upload
help for assistance."
It came as a reply to an appeal I made concerning a cockpit shot of the following aircraft:
The photo was rejected for info with a personal message saying: "Aviodrome is not an aircraft operator, so their name should not appear in parenthesis in the "airline" field."
,referring to me putting the aircraft under "Untitled (Aviodrome)"
As you can see the same aicraft figures under this "Airline"-title several times already (also a shot taken by me and accepted only 2 days ago).
Now, I don't wanna blame somebody here and I'm really thankful for the good aid the screeners are giving lately when rejecting shots; all I wanna do is make the understanding of rules even better and increase consistency.
The HS (sadly don't know who it was) is right when saying "If the aircraft doesn't fly, then how can Aviodrome be its operator? It should be Untitled. It is also NOT a warbird, as it is unmarked." but despite knowing better I thought that if it has been accepted under the given info before it should be ok.
Let's try to clarify this one:
- it's not a warbird as it is unmarked and if I understand the upload help correctly it should be marked under "military" as it has a non-civilian registration!? But then why was it formerly put under "non-military" with the same reg?
- The Aviodrome IS an aircraft operator but a non-flying aircraft can't really be operated --> my bad, lesson learned!
According my refreshed knowledge the aircraft should be titled as follows:
reg: 210; airline: Netherlands - Navy; owner: military
but then the db editors should check the previous additons as there are noticeable inconsistencies.
Apparently I'm not the only one who should check the upload help again.
ThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2157 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2684 times:
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Quoting Viv (Reply 1): The owner is no longer "Military". The Aviodrome is now the owner. It is a "preserved" arcraft.
But it still carries a military registration and thus falls under the same category according to A.net's uploading rules. In addition it has only recently been accepted as such. I know it sounds kinda weird since, as you have correctly noted, the owner is the Aviodrome which is not a military organisation.
"Preserved" would be ticked in addition to "military".
Clickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9823 posts, RR: 64
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2672 times:
it's not a warbird as it is unmarked and if I understand the upload help correctly it should be marked under "military" as it has a non-civilian registration!? But then why was it formerly put under "non-military" with the same reg?
I would guess that it was listed as non mil because the first shots of the plane in the database show it as having KLM colors.
I don't think anyone on the screening team told you to upload it as a Warbird.
I have alerted the editing team and hopefully they will standardize the database entries for 210.
Quoting ThierryD (Thread starter): The photo was rejected for info with a personal message saying: "Aviodrome is not an aircraft operator, so their name should not appear in parenthesis in the "airline" field."
Who said that ?
The Aviodrome is a museum, a theme park and an operator.
Think the trouble here starts at the upload page where we have to fill in the operator but really want the name painted on the a/c.
It took me a few emails some years ago to get things sorted for the Connie and DC2 which both use a KLM livery but are operated by the Aviodrome.
In our case the livery says nothing about the operator but is just use to be historical correct, infect KL has nothing to do with it.
The Neptune is at this point still a preserved aircraft, it can't be a warbird because it doesn't have a civil registration.
In my interpretation this means it should still be a military a/c although I understand ClickHappy's(and other screeners) confusion.
The KL colors were there because at the time the Neptune was stationed at the KL ground school after it left the Navy.
Now we are in the process to make it original again, the rest of the marking will follow soon.
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