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User currently offlineXenon From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 494 posts, RR: 12
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2320 times:

Can anyone tell me why this is badmotiv?

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...g/20070517_IMG_7075-FGSQE-anet.jpg

Thx,

Daniel


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User currently offlineVice911 From China, joined Nov 2006, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2313 times:

hi the wheels on the right are blocked by the pipes(I know it's only a little bit but still). thanks Yuan Le


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User currently offlineAcontador From Chile, joined Jul 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2313 times:
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Well, it might be the very prominent tow-truck + obstructed view of forward landing gear...


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User currently offlineXenon From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 494 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2309 times:

OK,

But is this not a bit neatpikking? Does that small amount of pipe ruine the shot that mutch???

Thx,

Daniel



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User currently offlineLanas From Argentina, joined Aug 2006, 978 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2290 times:

Hi Daniel

Yes, the motive rejection would apply to the tow truck (obstructed nose landing gear) and maybe also the (slightly) obstructed right main landing gear (both by the pipe and a bit hidden behing the grass). The latter seems a bit picky to me, however.
What I see in your picture, too, is that it´s a bit flat and grainy.
Hope it helps.  Smile

Cheers!
Lanas.-



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User currently offlineEK20 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2290 times:

Quoting Xenon (Reply 3):
But is this not a bit neatpikking?

You mean nitpicking.  Smile

I think it's a great pic. It really shows the size of the aircraft to good effect. Personally I don't see the wheels missing as a problem.


User currently offlineXenon From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 494 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2280 times:

Thats what I mean. The motiv is clear; a T7 beeing pushed.
Its evident when its beeing pushed, the nosegear isn't fully visible.
Cheers,

Daniel.



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User currently offlineGraphic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2280 times:

Wow... you guys really are succeeding in taking the aviation out of aviation photography.

User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2272 times:

Personally, I think the wall and pipe on the bottom are distracting, and the shot is cropped too tightly. Factor in the flatness and it's not as attractive as it could be.

Harry



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12634 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2263 times:
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Quoting Acontador (Reply 2):
Well, it might be the very prominent tow-truck + obstructed view of forward landing gear...



Quoting Lanas (Reply 4):
Yes, the motive rejection would apply to the tow truck (obstructed nose landing gear)

I believe there are plenty of shots here that include tow-trucks. I don't think that is reason for a motive rejection, and in this specific case is a significant part of the motive.



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User currently offlineEadster From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2216 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2249 times:

If it is because of that pipe then its time for people to get real. That small amount is ridiculous to call a motive reject.

Quoting Acontador (Reply 2):
Well, it might be the very prominent tow-truck + obstructed view of forward landing gear...

Plenty of shots with tow trucks in existence already...

Quoting Graphic (Reply 7):
Wow... you guys really are succeeding in taking the aviation out of aviation photography.

And the enjoyment if that's the case. It's a great shot.


User currently offlineWalter2222 From Belgium, joined Sep 2005, 1300 posts, RR: 28
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2246 times:

Quoting Xenon (Thread starter):
Can anyone tell me why this is badmotiv?

Hi Daniel,

I like your shot (with the angle and the crop)! Personally, I would not mind if small things are blocking the gears (but I don't make the rules here  Smile ). I had also a rejection for bad motiv (including quality, so I will not bother about this one anymore),although I liked this angle as well:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...268_RT8_WVB_800-1200px_re-edit.jpg

Indeed also small objects blocking (parts of) the aircraft...  Sad

PS: Maybe Thierry can use them for the IGRR...

Best regards,

Walter



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User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 44
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2223 times:

Daniel.
I think the tow truck itself if it was fully visible it would have made it in.
Some of the tow is blocked by the fence.
I believe that to be the cause of the motiv rejection.
lovely shot anyways.
Cheers



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User currently offlineCalgaryBill From Canada, joined May 2006, 686 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2214 times:

Quoting JumboJim747 (Reply 12):
I think the tow truck itself if it was fully visible it would have made it in.
Some of the tow is blocked by the fence.

Agreed! Can't believe it didn't come up sooner. But other than the cropped truck, I really like the image.

B


User currently offlineAcontador From Chile, joined Jul 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 30
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2207 times:
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Wow, chill out guys  Smile !
Never said I didn't like the picture, and I didn't say that pictures with tow-trucks are not allowed  Confused ...
Daniel was asking a question, and I was only trying to give a possible answer. In terms of A.net, I just feel that in this shot the truck is too prominent, since when I opened the pictures my eyes were drawn instantly to it. Additionally, it completely blocks the forward landing gear (could have been avoided by cropping higher?), which together with the fence just may have tipped the balance against its acceptance.
Just an opinion from a non-screener, take it for what it's worth...



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User currently offlineMonteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 28
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2201 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 9):
I believe there are plenty of shots here that include tow-trucks. I don't think that is reason for a motive rejection, and in this specific case is a significant part of the motive.

So why is this a motive rejection?


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I am guessing that its because the tug covers the nose?



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User currently offlineXenon From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 494 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

All,

Thx for the replies so far.
I feel no real consensus about the motiv in all your replies so should I appeal?
(Tug, maingear, nosegear,..)

Maybe a screener can point me out?

Thx,

Daniel



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User currently offlineMonteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 28
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2189 times:

Quoting Xenon (Reply 16):
so should I appeal?

No. Althought the tug shot is a little contentious, the fence is your issue with the motive rejection. Its in the way of the aircraft and the tug. Sad



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User currently offlineCalgaryBill From Canada, joined May 2006, 686 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2140 times:

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 17):
No. Althought the tug shot is a little contentious, the fence is your issue with the motive rejection. Its in the way of the aircraft and the tug.

Agreed, don't appeal. But it's a keeper for the personal collection.

B


User currently offlineDendrobatid From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1671 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2118 times:
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I have only just noticed this thread - I wasn't about much yesterday
I am certain that the motive is the fence more than anything else.
II would have rejected for quality/contrast too. What, at a glance is a really impressive shot, is actually, as pointed out by Lanas, flat.
It is typical of a shot where shadow/highlight has been abused where there is neither a good deep, clean black nor a good clean white.
I do not think it is worth an appeal.
The issue on the one Monteycarlos shows is different where a substantial part of the nose is hidden
I hope this helps
Mick Bajcar


User currently offlineMonteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2114 times:

Quoting Dendrobatid (Reply 19):
nor a good clean white.

Thats because its Air France...  Smile

Quoting Dendrobatid (Reply 19):
The issue on the one Monteycarlos shows is different where a substantial part of the nose is hidden

As suspected. Thanks Mick.



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User currently offlineXenon From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 494 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2065 times:

Ok, Thx for all the replies!
Thx Mick.

Time to move on.

Case closed.

Daniel



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