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User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2439 times:

Here's a question for all the photogs out there...

I'm beginning to discover the joys of photography. I've been a point-and-shoot kind of guy all my life, but last week a photographer friend of mine showed me some of his work and some of his photography equipment and it got me interested. The local college is running some 'Photography 101' courses and I'm signed up, but I need my own camera.

It doesn't need to be fantastic, and it doesn't need to be an SLR camera, but it does need to have some decent zoom options and it must have a manual focus capability.

I was looking at this:

http://www.fotoconnection.com/vi-229...-SP-500-UZ-225720.html#spec_detail

as a cheap option, but in all honesty, I have not a clue about this kind of thing.

Help a man out, make your suggestions for a beginner.

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User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2431 times:

I'd say by all means, start with an SLR. You can expand your lens collection from there, but it costs money to buy a camera only to outgrow it in a few months (which you will do with a P&S).

There are a number of different, good entry-level digital SLRs on the market nowadays, and the three I'd recommend are the Sony Alpha, the Nikon D40x (not the D40, that one is weak), or the Canon 400D. They're all about the same quality, although the Canon has a dust-reduction mechanism and the Sony has integrated Image Stabilization.

If I had to recommend one I'd pick the Canon, simply because it's what most people use. You'll have the easiest time of the three with it if you want to get specific help on a forum or buy a new lens. Again, though, all three of them are fine cameras.

For a lens to start with (regardless of whether or not you go for the kit lens), a cheap prime lens (one that doesn't zoom) is a great way to go. Something around 50mm is perfect to work with for those first few months to work on your composition and give you a better idea of what you really want in a lens.

Just my  twocents 



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User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2425 times:

Quoting AC773 (Reply 1):
If I had to recommend one I'd pick the Canon

This one?
http://www.fotoconnection.com/viewit...9d3s1IwCFRs_ggodwHrMtA#spec_detail


User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2419 times:

Quoting IFEMaster (Thread starter):

You have a couple of choices in terms of SLR. You can get a great bargain by getting the EOS300, which is now been discontinued. Its 6.3 Megapixel camera, but its a great camera for the money. I purchased the EOS350, which is a little better than the EOS300 but a step below the EOS400 that is mentioned by AC773. Its all depends on your budget, and what your needs are. Since you are a a "rookie", i highly suggest the EOS300 or EOS350, those cameras are really a great bargain, and the fact that theyre SLR means that you can buy lenses, for all kinds of pursuits, including aviation photography.



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User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3882 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2419 times:

IFEMaster, I hope you dont mind an on topic hijacking but -

Im in the market for a new camera as well. I want a digital SLR to get me in at the bottom end so I can learn technique et al.

I have roughly £350 to spend.

I have been looking on ebay at Canon 300D or 350D.

Thoughts?


User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4670 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2410 times:

Quoting Moo (Reply 4):

I have been looking on ebay at Canon 300D or 350D.

Thoughts?

how big are your hands?



no I'm not trying to be funny, if you have big hand you will seriously dislike the 350D because of it's size. In any other way it's probably better then the 300D



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User currently offlineGraphic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2410 times:

Dude don't spend a thousand bucks on a camera setup if you've got really no experience. Get a Film SLR, you can get some used for as cheap as five bucks if you know where to look (re: garage sales, 2nd hand camera stores). If the one you buy doesn't work, you're out 5 bucks its no big deal, you can find another one. If you buy a digital SLR and decide its not your thing, you're out a thousand bucks that wasn't worth it.

User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2402 times:

Quoting Moo (Reply 4):
I have been looking on ebay at Canon 300D

Look here: http://www.acephotodigital.com/sc/re...oduct-information.asp?id=757226024

There are some really positive reviews about this camera too.

Thanks for the heads up on this Camera, LAXspotter.


User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2401 times:

Quoting Graphic (Reply 6):
Dude don't spend a thousand bucks on a camera setup if you've got really no experience.

I'm not planning on it.

Quoting Graphic (Reply 6):
If you buy a digital SLR and decide its not your thing, you're out a thousand bucks that wasn't worth it.

At worse, I'll be out $500, and that's where eBay comes in.


User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3882 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2399 times:

Quoting JRadier (Reply 5):
no I'm not trying to be funny, if you have big hand you will seriously dislike the 350D because of it's size. In any other way it's probably better then the 300D

My hands are ample  Smile A colleague at work has a 10D and that seems ok size and weight wise, and apparently the 300D and 350D is not that far off a 10D in that way.

Quoting Graphic (Reply 6):
Dude don't spend a thousand bucks on a camera setup if you've got really no experience. Get a Film SLR, you can get some used for as cheap as five bucks if you know where to look (re: garage sales, 2nd hand camera stores). If the one you buy doesn't work, you're out 5 bucks its no big deal, you can find another one. If you buy a digital SLR and decide its not your thing, you're out a thousand bucks that wasn't worth it.

This is why I'm limiting myself to, probably, a second hand older model worth no more than $600 or $700.

I have experience, but not with an SLR, and I would rather get a digital one because I have no means to develop my own film, nor the will to spend out on development.

I also am a dab hand at digital manipulation, so I want my photos in RAW or a high quality format so I can handle them on the computer.

If it isn't for me, then it can easily enough go back on ebay from whence it came.


User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 36
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2399 times:

If you want to get into a DSLR, you might want to look at the Olympus Evolt E410 or E510. You could get both for under $1000 and come in a 2 lens kit. They are just as good as the Canon's or Nikons. They both have a dust reduction system, but the 510 is a bit bigger (and feels better in the hand) and also has image stabilization built in as well as a "liveview" LCD screen which means you can use the LCD to shoot the picture as you would on a digital point and shoot. You might also want to look into the older E500, it doesn't have the image stabilization or liveview LCD and only 8 megapixels, but it still has the dust reduction system and sells for $700 (2 lens kit) in Canada.

Another nice thing about the Olympus cameras is that they don't have as much of a plastic feel to them as the Canon Rebels or entry level Nikons.



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User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2397 times:

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 2):
This one?

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Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 3):
You can get a great bargain by getting the EOS300

Agreed, but if you're going to go for that vintage, I'd suggest going for the 10D. It's like the 300D, but with a magnesium-alloy body and a number of different improvements. There are oodles of them out there at a pretty similar price to the 300D. Then again, these days I'd recommend at least a 350D unless you really can't afford it.

Quoting Moo (Reply 4):

That sounds like a good idea, and used is a good way to go. The two recommendations I have are first, be extremely careful about buying cameras on eBay and second, you again might want to go for a 10D instead of a 300D. Not only does it have the extra features I mentioned above, but it has a shutter life of 100,000 clicks as opposed to the 300D/350D/400D's 50,000. When you start thinking about buying a camera that's about 4 years old now, that's important to consider.

But don't let the age put you off. Last year, I bought a used Canon 10D for about $500 (or less than 1/2 of what it cost new). It's a stellar camera, and no amount of time will ever change that. I'm not making posters so 6 MP is more than enough for me, and with my bigger sensor and other SLR attributes, I still wipe the floor with modern day point & shoots.



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User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2391 times:

Quoting Moo (Reply 9):
A colleague at work has a 10D and that seems ok size and weight wise, and apparently the 300D and 350D is not that far off a 10D in that way.

I can't speak for the 300D as it's a little bigger than the 350D and I've never tried one, but I have held a 350D. My hands aren't that big, and even I found it tiny and uncomfortable. The 10D was a huge leap forward for me in terms of ergonomics; it fits like a glove. I can shoot for hours, and often do.



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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4670 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2380 times:

Quoting Moo (Reply 9):

My hands are ample Smile A colleague at work has a 10D and that seems ok size and weight wise, and apparently the 300D and 350D is not that far off a 10D in that way.

300D and 10D are about the same in size, the 350D is a lot smaller!



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User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2373 times:

Goodness knows why on earth this was moved in to Av-Photography (seeing as I've not interest in taking pictures of planes), but there we are...Mod's Will Be Done.  Smile

I don't know if I really want to shell out the beans for a Digital SLR, though. I guess what I probably need to do is get down to a decent camera shop and try some out for myself.


User currently onlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3300 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2366 times:
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Quoting AC773 (Reply 1):
the Canon has a dust-reduction mechanism and the Sony has integrated Image Stabilization.

Olympus E-510 has both for relatively cheap and a two-lens kit with plenty of zoom.

Quoting JRadier (Reply 5):
if you have big hand you will seriously dislike the 350D because of it's size.

I agree. That's why I didn't buy it.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 10):
You might also want to look into the older E500, it doesn't have the image stabilization or liveview LCD and only 8 megapixels, but it still has the dust reduction system and sells for $700 (2 lens kit) in Canada.

That's the camera I use (see signature). I chose it because of price and zoom and it really is great. And with more and more lenses coming out for the four-thirds system (including Sigma's 135-400 and 300-800) it's becoming more and more versatile. It's very sharp, has lots of contrast, feels incredibly comfortable, easy to use, and above all, cheap. I definitely recommend the Olympus. Either the E-500 or the E-510.

For some [completely unedited] shots see my website, linked in my profile.

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User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2363 times:

The Refurb Depot has what looks like a Canon EOS 300D bundle for $479.95. What's everyone's opinions on refurbished cameras?

http://www.refurbdepot.com/productdetails2.cfm?Product_ID=4365


User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2299 times:

Alright, I opted for this:

http://www.fotoconnection.com/vi-11457________Canon-EOS-350D-.html

Includes a free tripod, case and cleaning kit. I think this is a decent bundle to get me started. Thoughts?


User currently offlineRomeokc10fe From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2287 times:

Keep in mind that your photos will probably need some type of post processing, a lot of DSLR newbies get discouraged when their pics don't come out of the camera perfect everytime. So I would start learning about photoshop right away!!

User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3882 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2280 times:

Thanks for the comments!

What are peoples opinions on the Nikon D50? I can get one veeeery cheaply, so its tempting.


User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2265 times:

Quoting Romeokc10fe (Reply 18):
I would start learning about photoshop right away!!

Already a seasoned photoshop user, so that's no problem. I'm pretty good at 'fixing' pics, just no good at taking them. Hence the class, hence the new purchase.


User currently offlineF9Widebody From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1604 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

Good choice. You will be pleased.


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User currently offlineNavymmw From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2231 times:

I would try it on ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/8MP-CANON-REBEL-...ategoryZ107909QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

same camera, same lens, comes with a tripod, case, cleaning kit, and a 4GB memory card for $590.

Im thinking of buying this too, but I have 1 quetion first. If im new at photography would it be to hard to go to an SLR? I already own a point and shoot one its a Kodak C743, would the jump from this camera to the Rebel be to big?


User currently offlineRichPhitzwell From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2229 times:

Quoting Navymmw (Reply 22):
new at photography would it be to hard

Not at all, you still have all the auto your used too. The manual settings take some time to learn and is a combination of playing with it and reading what each function does.

I'm a noob and Ive had very little difficulty transitioning, my one little piece of advice is if there is a pic that you really want, take two pics one in full auto and the other in whatever manual setting you decide to try.

SLR's are a blast, enjoy.


User currently offlineRichPhitzwell From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2225 times:

One little thing, start your photography addiction 7 step program now and also start saving up for a lens or two.  Silly

User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 25, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2204 times:

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 3):
You can get a great bargain by getting the EOS300, which is now been discontinued. Its 6.3 Megapixel camera, but its a great camera for the money.

Why buy an old camera [EOS300] having many new options [much better] in the market ? I think is a waist of money.


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