Skidmarks From UK - England, joined Dec 2004, 7121 posts, RR: 53 Posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2556 times:
I've been a longtime Nikon user for around 27 years and am perfectly happy with them, so I won't be changing brands. But, when my redundancy money finally arrives and the house sale goes through, I am going to treat myself to a new camera.
I currently use a perfectly servicable Nikon D70. However, I want to upgrade but not to the extent of a D2-whatever - thats just too much to try and get past the accountant (aka the wife!)
So, I am torn between the D200 or the D80. Now the D200 has many features which I doubt, in my amateur and limited experience, I would use. Whereas the D80 appears to have many of the features of the D200 and the almost identical layout of the D70, which would make using both easy. Apart form the SD/CF card difference.
So, what do the esteemed and learned forum members think? And the first one to say "Buy a Canon so and so" gets a JGPH1A style Fatwah for free!
Jarek From Poland, joined May 2001, 347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2545 times:
few months ago I was in the same position. Happy with my D70, but wanted to upgrade to 80/200. D80 was everything I needed, but considering the fact that I have number of CF cards I calculated that D80 plus new SD cards woudl be almost the same in cost as D200 with no need to buy new CF cards. I went for D200 then and I am more than happy. Very fast and easy operation, very robust (6000 pictures in different situationsduring 6 weeks round the world trip).
Diezel From Netherlands, joined Oct 2002, 646 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2533 times:
I own a D200 and I'm very happy with it. I used my friend's D80 for one weekend and was also satisfied with the results. In fact I can't see any differences between pictures taken with the D80 and pictures taken with the D200. I did find the D200 much more solid and it is weather resistant. Battery life is much, much better with the D80 (they use the same batteries). I now use a battery pack with the D200 which can hold 2 batteries (if you buy the D200, don't hesitate and also buy the battery pack, you will need it). I don't think the memory cards are of any issue. They are so cheap nowadays.
There are reviews from people who own both camera's on the internet. For example:
KLM772ER From Germany, joined May 2006, 615 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2506 times:
I owned a D80, and upgraded my equipment for a D200 as soon as I had the money (I never regretted it)
First of all it is much more solid and as Roel said weather resistant. Comparing pictures I have taken with both cameras there is no really big difference in them as long as you take them all in manual mode (tho I must say, that without any prove for it I find the pics of the D200 a bit more appealing.. but it is probably just me and my brain thinking it is more expensive so the pictures have to be better )
But as soon as you shoot with Whitebalance at Auto I have to say that it fits out of camera much more often on the D200 than on the D80, even in some difficult conditions..
It just handles the information of the ccd a bit different than the D80..
Plus have one thing in mind. Nikon would never bring a camera on the market which has the same standard than the D200 for half the price... They would beat there own deal with it....
In my opinion the D200 is worth every single extra Dollar/Euro/Pound (depends on wherever you are )
NIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2503 times:
I just uploaded my first pic with my D200 and I have to say I love it. Not too familiar with the 80 but when I was shopping it I didn't like the card difference and a few other thing for the amount more I had to pay I went with the 200.
DerekF From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 920 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2496 times:
I upgraded from a D70 to D80 a few months ago and I'm impressed with the improvements.
The AF is much better than the D70.
I shot 680 photos on a full charge and still had 18% left.
Initially I was irritated buy the move to SD cards but the cards are so cheap now (I just paid £17.99 for a Sandisk Extreme III 2GB) it wasn't a serious consideration. A 2GB card should be good for 220 photos in RAW format (it says 163 when you put the card in though)
I like the bigger viewfinder being a spectacle wearer, I found the D70 viewfinder too small- especially compared to the F80 which I had before.
I don't use the ISO 100 too much - stick with ISO 200 old habits diehard I suppose. That extra stop is worthwhile and I can't tell the difference in quality anyway.
The D200 was too expensive for me anyway.
One irritation though. If you don't realize that the screen is still showing your last photo and you use either command dial to try and adjust the settings it is actually scrolling through the photos and you are wondering why the aperture or shutter speed isn't changing. Bugs the hell out of me!
It seems to have tendency to overexpose slightly in Program mode - that might be me though.
KLM772ER From Germany, joined May 2006, 615 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2489 times:
Quoting DerekF (Reply 8): If you don't realize that the screen is still showing your last photo and you use either command dial to try and adjust the settings it is actually scrolling through the photos and you are wondering why the aperture or shutter speed isn't changing. Bugs the hell out of me!
At least on the D200 you can turn this feature of, but I think it should be possible at D80 too. But I m not quite sure about it...
Skidmarks From UK - England, joined Dec 2004, 7121 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2480 times:
Well, lots to think about then. At the moment the deciding factor will be cost. I can get a D80 body+grip+1GB+2GB SD Cards for £669. A D200 from the same outlet, with grip, is £988, £319 difference. In addition to that, with the D200 I don't have to buy extra SD cards but with the £319 I could add that to another lens.
Scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 14837 posts, RR: 44
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2468 times:
As a fellow life-long Nikonian and ex-D70 user, my advice would be to go to a shop and get your hands on a D200. I have to say I thought the D70 was a great camera until I picked up the D200. I fell in love with it at first touch. It is a much more "professional" camera than the D70 and it really does make the D70 feel like a toy.
The D200 has made me think more about my photography (not just on the aviation side either) since it does away with the "idiot wheel" - you need to chose between Aperture or Shutter priority and manual mode. There are so many tuning options it would be impossible to go through them all here.
It is a great camera and I highly recommend it. The price has already dropped considerably since I bought my first one.
I don't think you should let the SD/CF issue cloud your decision. As others have pointed out, memory is getting cheaper all the time.
One point to note, if you are leaving the country in the not too distant future, you can buy a D200 body at Dixons (don't know about the D80) at the airport, and not pay the VAT on it*. Nice! Isn't the IOM a tax haven? You probably don't pay any tax anyway.
*In theory, if you are flying to a non-EU country you might be liable to pay the VAT when you return. I have purchased several items from Dixons like this and have never had any issues (and I carry these items with me every time I fly).
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana!
CalgaryBill From Canada, joined May 2006, 686 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2453 times:
Andy: I was just in the same boat. I have a D2x but needed a better backup body than my ailing D100, so I went with a D200. The D80 didn't have enough features for the type of work I do, and the build didn't feel like it could take the drubbing my gear gets being dragged through every kind of environment imaginable.
To me, the 300 pound difference you point out is worth it just for the solid build of this camera's body. When you have to spend a day in a hot, dusty field with the wind blowing while you shoot an airshow you'll be glad you've got all those extra weather seals! And speaking of a day at the field, my D200 handled five straight hours of shooting over 1,000 shots at a recent military exercise. I had two spare batteries with me and didn't use either one. So unless you need the vertical grip and second shutter release, save the money and don't get the battery grip. Why carry the extra battery weight in your hands and spend $200 extra (N American price for the grip) when you can leave it in the camera bag until you need it?
Kereru From New Zealand, joined Jun 2003, 873 posts, RR: 40
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2398 times:
Isnt the D80 a replacement for the D70?
I have used the D70 for a number of years now and it is time to upgrade so my eyes are set on the D200 after looking over the alternatives. D200 is a pro camera like the D2Xs at a cheaper price and as already mentioned built to take the extra work/fun. I like the idea of 5 fps as the D70 / D80 are only 3 fps and I could have done with that when I took this one.
BrianW999 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 314 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2350 times:
I think you know my history of D70S user upgrading to D80 and have seen some of my D80 work ( a few shots here but mostly on "the other" site.)
I thought about the D200 and, if I had the money, would probably go for one. That was until I decided I wanted a second body. ( the D70S was originally going to be my second body when I bought the D80). I sold the D70S as a kit with a couple of lenses, CF cards and bag for £500 to fund the purchase of a second D80 body. I got that for £529 at Jessops who, at the time, were offering to match any published price in Digital Photography magazine.
The first D80 was bought last September at Gatwick Dixons, tax free as a kit with 18 - 70 and a 2 gb Sandisk Ultra 2 for around £700. SD memory was quite a bit more expensive then than it is now.
I therefore now have 2 x D80's, Nikon 18 - 70, Nikon 70 - 300 G, and a Sigma 170 - 500 for a total cost of £1,623. The 70-300 and the Sigma were admittedly bought second hand mint condition on Ebay for £80 and £285 each respectively. I bought the second body in order to have the ability to have two different lenses set up ready to use without having to do a quick change and incidentally avoiding the influx of dust.
Its also worth noting that I paid a total of £16 for a genuine ENEL3e battery from Hong Kong, postage paid and no import duty. I bought just one initially to test the delivery and tax implications, I'll be going back for more.
2x D200's, body only would cost £823 each (current Microglobe price), twice the price of my current total kit.
That explains the cost implications, what about performance ?
Well, I can't compare one to the other as I've never used a D200. I do know that the 10.2 mp sensor is common to both, that the D80 has 3 fps motor against 5 fps for the D200 and that the D80 uses sd cards against CF cards. As others have said though, you can get memory very cheap these days.
I'm very happy with the D80. It's a distinct upgrade from the D70 series, I find it quite robust for my use ( and I'm known for being a bit ham-fisted at times ) and I found it easy to adapt to from the D70 with the control layout and feature uses much the same as the D70.
What you probably need to do is go out and find a pro camera shop willing to let you spend more than a few minutes handling the two cameras and then make your decision based on cost against handling and features. Whichever you eventually settle on, you won't be sorry.