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Are Nose Shots No Longer Accepted?  
User currently offlineAlibo5NGN From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 773 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3393 times:
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I was shocked and surprised to find these three shots rejected for motiv. My question is: Are nose shots no longer accepted on Anet? I am yet to receive the rejection email so I am attaching the exact photos here. While I accept that decisions to accept or reject are highly subjective, a way has to be found to achieve greater consistency in the manner in which shots are judged. In addition to motiv, the Boeing Stratotanker shot was also rejected for people. The face in my opinion is unrecognizable. I remember a recent Biman Bangladesh Cabin Shot that made it to the Top of 24 hours with a clear facial shot of two women lying across empty seats. Granted that this is a hobby for me, the efforts required to meet the unique preferences of each screener is acting as a strong disincentive to a lot of people from uploading shots. There are complaints about people uploading boring box shots of planes taking off or landing. What choice is there if the penalty for trying something new or uploading a shot with a tiny barely perceptible fault is a harsh rejection? Your help and advise will be appreciated here.

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User currently offlineDM From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3382 times:

I think the BA 777 got a motiv for having a cut off top fuselage and a cut off landing gear door. I think that in nose shots your suppose to try to include the nose wheel and a little of the top fuselage but I'm not positive. Ive seen other shots like yours but with a slight different motiv. Same with the Stratotanker.


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User currently offlineJohnKrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1399 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3344 times:
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According to the people rejection rule It says that it does not apply to to pilots of GA planes. But we have seen many photos here with shots from cockpit, nose shots with waving crews etc that has been accepted.
For what it's worth I like them...



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User currently offlineScottieprecord From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1363 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3289 times:

The motive on your shots is a bit off... For the first two, they seem to be taken from somewhat of a back angle; they don't appear to be straight side-on shots. This detracts from their overall motive, in my opinion. Also, on the -135, the "S" in "U.S." isn't fully cropped out... I think a tighter crop would have helped the chances for this shot.

I'm wondering if maybe Anet is more sensitive about showing the faces of those in the military for security reasons. Any one know if that's the case?

The third shot seems just somewhat awkward. It looks backlit, for one. And overall, it's just a weird angle.

Hope this helps in seeing where the rejections were coming from...

-Mike


User currently offlineIlikeflight From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 366 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3273 times:

I'd say that on your shots the motive is not clear

#1 you cut off half the gear door and the car in the lower right corner takes away from the shot

#2 all the activity takes away from the plane and you cut off half the U.S. Air Force titles and the pilot is also a distraction

#3 looks backlit



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User currently offlineDendrobatid From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1671 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3245 times:
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Taken from Thierry's guide about Motive

This is the most subjective rejection reason, sometimes simply that a photograph does not balance well, an unusual crop or similar. This rejection also occurs at times when a photographer tries something new but the screeners do not feel that the final image has been successful. Reasons (or excuses) for any such failure are not important, only the final image is considered.

Your rejections are very subjective and I agree with most of what has been said above and subtle differences in composition can make the difference between acceptance and rejection - the crops are awkward on all three. Many books have been written about composition but put simply, lines running into or out of corners are good composition and backgrounds should not distract from the subject. Your backgrounds are too sharp and distracting and better use of depth of field would have helped. I do not feel that the people rejection is particularly relevant in the C135 shot and am sure that it would not have been considered if the image hung together better regardless.

Ilikeflight comments that the third one is backlit as though that was a reason for rejection. That is not the case, it is simply that it is considerably more dfficult to get a backlit subject exposed properly. To me you have done the job perfectlyl
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User currently offlineAlibo5NGN From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 773 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3191 times:
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Quoting JohnKrist (Reply 2):
The third shot seems just somewhat awkward. It looks backlit, for one. And overall, it's just a weird angle.



Quoting Ilikeflight (Reply 4):
#3 looks backlit



Quoting Dendrobatid (Reply 5):
Ilikeflight comments that the third one is backlit as though that was a reason for rejection. That is not the case, it is simply that it is considerably more dfficult to get a backlit subject exposed properly. To me you have done the job perfectlyl

Thanks a lot for your comments. I have attached below more complete shots of the first two planes with their nose wheels for comparisons. The third shot is not backlit as you can see from a more complete shot I have attached below. It is a 1928 Beech and a very awkward plane to take a shot of. This is why I had to settle for the nose. It is the double wings that casts shadows where there should be light creating an illusion of it being backlit. This is the oldest of 6 surviving aircraft and none of them are in Anet DB except a cockpit shot that was accepted last week. I would appreciate any comments as to whether this new edits will over come the motiv issue.

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Mike, your views are valued as usual.

Ken.



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User currently offlineThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2072 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3181 times:
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Hi Ken!

The BA will now get a motive rejection due to the ladder in front of the nose gear; maybe try inlcuding only the nose gear doors but not the gear itself.
The KC135 looks fine but I'd crop closer to the nose and try to include the little antenna on the top.
The Beech shot looks good to me.
The following thread might interest you as well:
What's Wrong With This Motive? (by ThierryD Jul 14 2007 in Aviation Photography)

Good luck!

Thierry



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