Vzlet From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 820 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1541 times:
Is it the incomplete tail surfaces, the rear view, or a combination that makes this Avanti unacceptable?
"Motiv" was a factor in the below three rejections as well. Are they all due to the incomplete pitot booms? On the X-29 and YF-12, would cropping closer to the nose be acceptable?
X-4
X-29
YF-12A
Thanks for your views. (Screener input is especially welcome!)
-Mark
"That's so stupid! If they're so secret, why are they out where everyone can see them?" - my kid
Nycaviator From United States of America, joined May 2007, 55 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1534 times:
My personal opinion would be the background. The screeners are probably looking for the plane itself. The background might take away a little of the focus. Thats just what I think.
Flying is like having eyes on the top of the world.
Ilikeflight From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 366 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1524 times:
Quoting Nycaviator (Reply 1): My personal opinion would be the background. The screeners are probably looking for the plane itself. The background might take away a little of the focus. Thats just what I think.
Totally agree there the first shot would be your best bet
Ptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3766 posts, RR: 20 Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1490 times:
Quoting Vzlet (Thread starter): Motiv" was a factor in the below three rejections as well. Are they all due to the incomplete pitot booms?
I don't think so. Cutting a long, thin pitot tube is often acceptable for a.net.
On the X-4 ( I had to look that up) the problem is the cutting of the wing and the near cutting of the tailfin I believe. You could have cut more of the tube to avoid these problems. Maybe you have another frame, it's an interesting aircraft and the background is OK I think.
The X-29's boom is rather thick, I think you cut it in the right place. However, the plane is low in the frame which distracts from the subject. Still, I like this picture the best of the four. Again, I don't think the background is too cluttered. Not sure if you can cut the boom more, try how it looks.
The SR-71 is really too low, the upper orange drone at least should not be in the frame. It's also very cluttered (frustrating). I think it's a lost case.
The pitot tube problem is notorious with Sukhoi Fitters and MiGs. Here are some with cut tubes that were accepted:
Fly747 From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1497 posts, RR: 10 Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1478 times:
Quoting Nycaviator (Reply 1): My personal opinion would be the background. The screeners are probably looking for the plane itself. The background might take away a little of the focus. Thats just what I think.
That is all wrong, background hardly ever warrants a motive rejection.
I would say it's the cut off booms.
Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 3): The pitot tube problem is notorious with Sukhoi Fitters and MiGs. Here are some with cut tubes that were accepted:
Probably just a case of screener preference. Remember, motive is the most subjective rejection.
Vzlet From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 820 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1430 times:
Thanks for each of the above replies. They do show, however, a definite contrast of opinions! Views from screeners too would be appreciated.
Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 3): The pitot tube problem is notorious with Sukhoi Fitters and MiGs.
I have about 25 shots in the DB with cropped booms/pitot tubes, mainly on MiGs, Sukhois, and Mi-24s, but I know that screening standards tend to evolve over time and I wondered if it wasn't just a coincidence that they were present in these three museum rejections.
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The Flight Test/R&D annex is very densely packed. It's frustrating to be amongst so many rare and interesting subjects and not have many clear angles. (I don't have anything wider than a 17-40 on a 1.6x crop body.) That's why I resorted to the hold-the-tripod-above-the-head technique for the two X planes.
I realized that I may not have made it clear that the Avanti shot was also a rejection.
-Mark
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