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Beware Manchester Airport Is Not Level!  
User currently offlineDerekF From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 910 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4606 times:

Once again the dreaded non-level Manchester airport buildings appear. I think I am going to write to Manchester airport to tell them the airport isn't level. There are so many verticals in this shot it isn't true. They are absolutely vertical by any measure I have tried. You cannot use the horizontals in this case.

Maybe a sign on the mound at the viewing park saying " Caution - buildings not level - do not attempt to upload photos to airliners.net taken from here"

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...big/20070720_EGCC_031107_N226G.jpg

No point in appealing as it was rejected for soft as well and appeal will probably add contrast, colour, dirt and common for good measure.

Very fed up and stuck on 1257 photos.

Derek


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User currently offlineEK20 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4597 times:

Nice aircraft Derek!

But it does need some clockwise rotation. The tower looks like it is leaning to the left and it's very obvious. The aircraft is also soft even to the point of being blurred in fact.

Chin up though, I got a couple of rejections today myself. It's only when someone points something out you see how obvious it is.  

[Edited 2007-07-20 21:14:40]

User currently offlineIlikeflight From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 366 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4578 times:

Quoting EK20 (Reply 1):

But it does need some clockwise rotation. The tower looks like it is leaning to the left and it's very obvious. The aircraft is also soft even to the point of being blurred in fact.

Agree completely



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User currently offlineDerekF From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 910 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4572 times:

Quoting EK20 (Reply 1):
But it does need some clockwise rotation.

Fair enough but how did you judge that and how much "unlevel" is it. I've used the grid on PSPX and all of the background buildings are vertical.

It was rejected for soft as well. It looks pretty sharp on my monitor even a bit oversharpened.

I've had 16 rejected out of 17 so I'm feeling pretty good. Going for a clean sweep!

Derek



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User currently onlinePsych From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 3048 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4551 times:
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Derek.

I am thinking of doing a thesis on the issue of leveling at A.net - it could be quite interesting!

I know exactly what you mean about a photo appearing to be level by all accounts using things like a grid reference in PS. I have been there many times, and leveling shots at MAN can be the proverbial pain in the **se. Even though this may look just right in PS when you look at the photo there is no doubt that it looks in need of CW rotation. This is based on what you correctly identify as the right references - building verticals.

I have had a quick play and rotated the image by 0.3 degrees - a trivial amount I hear many say - but you cannot escape the fact it makes the tower building now look more level. Now if you go in PS this will still appear okay by those grid references.

Big version: Width: 700 Height: 475 File size: 304kb
Derek's Photo

What this has taught me is that the editing references are not enough - you then have to stand back and ask yourself the question - 'does it look right'? For me - despite a measly 0.3 degrees change - this image looks more level than your original.

No doubt A.net must be responsible for a great increase in the number of diagnoses for obsessive compulsive disorder  biggrin .

All the best.

Paul


User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 64
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4550 times:
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Derek

Image is unlevel, soft AND dirty.

Correct all three and all should be OK.

Regards

Gary


User currently offlineDerekF From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 910 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4533 times:

There must be something wrong with my software because I cannot see where it is unlevel. Sorry Paul 0.3 CW makes the buildings in my version unlevel and frankly, if pictures are to be rejected for 0.3 of degree (which is 7/8th of naff all) then I give up.

Dirt - I knew there would something else - where? and why wasn't this mentioned in the original rejection e-mail?

Thanks for the replies folks but that's all from me for now. I'll let this one rest - it isn't worth bothering about any more.

Still hoping to get 1 out of 17 accepted.

Derek



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User currently offlineBoeingfreak From Germany, joined May 2005, 398 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4529 times:

Quoting DerekF (Reply 6):
Dirt - I knew there would something else - where?

I see one right above the tail, it's even visible without equalizing.

Florian


User currently onlinePsych From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 3048 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4518 times:
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Quoting DerekF (Reply 6):
There must be something wrong with my software because I cannot see where it is unlevel.

I really do understand your frustration Derek - I have been there before. I have sworn a photo of mine is level, only to have to agree some time later that I was wrong. But forget about the software - just look at these two images - your original thread starter and my edit. You will see that I purposely did not re-crop your photo, so you can see the white of the border where it has been rotated. Even though it is this apparently measly amount there is now quite a bit (relatively speaking) of white canvas showing, which shows that the rotation is not as negligible as it sounds.

Though we have all complained about screening at times, the screeners' eyes will pick up on pretty small imperfections in level quickly - as they do dirt. I would support the decision that the original edit was not perfectly level. Now whether picking up on small issues like that is worthwhile is another matter altogether. That's more an issue for Johan's criteria than it is the screening decision.

Take care.

Paul


User currently offlineDerekF From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 910 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4507 times:

I've looked closely at the original, enlarged bits, looked at grids and if I was editing it from scratch it wouldn't be any different to the one I uploaded. If I could be bothered I would upload these enlargements but life is too short and a glass of Scottish wine is waiting.

Cheers!

Derek



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User currently offlineEK20 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4503 times:

Derek,

I know it's hard and you might think the screeners are being picky but believe me they are not. Since submitting to anet I have branched out into many other types of photography and if it wasn't for this site, I'd still be an amateur.  Smile


User currently offlineDerekF From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 910 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4485 times:

Tell me about it . I'm still an amateur although I've sold a few and a few picture published. I've uploading here for over 6 years, since Johan did all the screening. I used to get most of a batch accepted, now I'm lucky to get any of batch accepted. If it wasn't for the fact I have more than a 1000 photos on here I'd be down in the 2 maximum upload.

I agree that my photography has improved since I started to upload here but my acceptance rate has gone down. Has the quality of my photos gone downhill - no - if anything they are much better - it is my editing skills that haven't improved enough. I don't know much about levels, or S/H or cloning or whatever. I still think good pictures come from the camera not from the software.

I had this rejected for quality and contrast.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...big/20070720_LEPA_300607_GEZAK.jpg

I had a chuckle to myself as I thought it was pretty much perfect - WRONG.

BTW I had this one accepted just thought I would share it with you all - Hooray 1 out of 17  


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Photo © Derek Ferguson




Rant over.


Derek

[Edited 2007-07-20 23:44:54]


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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9628 posts, RR: 68
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4484 times:
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looks like your lens also has some barrel distortion. What lens is it?

User currently offlineDerekF From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 910 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4474 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 12):
looks like your lens also has some barrel distortion. What lens is it?

It's the same Nikkor 75-300mm lens I had the last time you asked.



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User currently offlineEK20 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4460 times:

Quoting DerekF (Reply 11):
I still think good pictures come from the camera not from the software.

That's right. Get the right pic in the first place and the editing is child's play. I wouldn't worry about anet. Standards are high but I've sold photographs to big companies that have been rejected here. Do things for youself first and anet second.

I got 300 euros for my last sale and anet rejected it.  Wink


User currently offlineSpencer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1635 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4459 times:

Quoting DerekF (Reply 13):
It's the same Nikkor 75-300mm lens I had the last time you asked.

Hahahahahaha, man that was pretty funny Derek! Now let's talk about this Scottish wine problem of yours!!!
Spencer.



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User currently offlineChrisH From Sweden, joined Jul 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4454 times:

Quoting EK20 (Reply 14):

I got 300 euros for my last sale and anet rejected it.

How many Big Macs does that get you in Dubai these days? 2 ?



what seems to be the officer, problem?
User currently offlineDvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1743 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4447 times:
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Derek, I had a photo rejected for .1 degree off level (which I then corrected and resubmitted and it got in). It was also my only level rejection I've ever had, so I say I'm pretty darn good at leveling.  Smile

Sometimes, corrections within a few tenths of a degree may not skew the verticals too much but are necessary. In this case, .2 or even .3 would be a reasonable adjustment.



From the Mind of Minolta
User currently offlineDerekF From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 910 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4447 times:

Quoting Spencer (Reply 15):
Now let's talk about this Scottish wine problem of yours!!!

Two glasses of Teachers and ready for bed  Smile



Whatever.......
User currently offlineDbudd From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 228 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4318 times:

By all accounts a photo should be leveled by verticals located in the center of the picture..

This does look to me that it needs a little CW rotation.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/dave_budd/airliners/level.jpg


A nifty little program that runs on top of all other programs and one I use to check 'level' rejections without opening PS. Works in horizontal mode as well. Heck you can use two copies at the same time and check both vertical and horizontal aspects of a pic.

http://www.microfox.com/

Dave


User currently offlineDvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1743 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4283 times:
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The ruler app really isn't necessary, you can just turn on rulers in PS and then drag guides out and use horizontal and vertical guides to check leveling.


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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9628 posts, RR: 68
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4235 times:
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Quoting DerekF (Reply 13):
It's the same Nikkor 75-300mm lens I had the last time you asked.

Of course, how could I forget.

Sounds like you have it all figured out  bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineDerekF From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 910 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4210 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 21):
Sounds like you have it all figured out

Meaning?



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User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 64
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4093 times:
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Hi all

I think the situation of the levelling of the image is under control now so if the photographer would like to re-upload the image that would be great.

Regards

Gary


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