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Has My Sharpening Gone Seriously Mad?  
User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 18
Posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4693 times:

Hello fellas.

I just checked my queue to see 6 photos gone and no accepted, saw 6 photos rejected for oversharpened, shots that looked fine on my screen, and bit oversharpened on my mother's screen.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20070726_TC-ACZ-1465-17062007-CLN-DAe.jpg

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20070726_N439SR-8261-14072007-HL-DA.jpg

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20070726_TF-JMB-8132-14072007-DAE-HL.jpg
also quality, but I thought that Dash 8s were not common on grass airfields (and shots taken a couple of meters away on takeoff weren't ether common)

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20070726_274-1493-17062007-CLN-DAE.jpg

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20070726_TF-KAH-8255-14072007-HL-DAE-1DIIn.jpg

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20070726_TF-NPK-TF-JMB-8079-14072007-HL-DAE.jpg

What is wrong here? My screen too soft? The screener's screen too sharp? My acceptance ratio has now gone all the way to 60% and I'm getting worried.

Many thanks,

David

p.s. A 'teacher' of mine recommended me to sharpen using USM, 200% 0.2, applied two times. I need, on my screen, to do it four times or sometimes even more, to get satisifiing sharpness. I guess I'd stick to two-times... yes?

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User currently offlineRCoulter From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4682 times:

On my screen, they look WAY over sharpened.

User currently offlineFly747 From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1497 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4681 times:

LEGO all the way.

Ivan


User currently offlineBubbles From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1196 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4680 times:
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Quoting Aero145 (Thread starter):
also quality

Because it also looks grainy.

_Hongyin_


User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5578 posts, RR: 63
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4621 times:
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David

The DC3 and Dash 8 image is really nice.........very nice actually............but the processing is not your usual standard.
Definately oversharpened.

Regards

Gary


User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4546 times:

Quoting Bubbles (Reply 3):
Because it also looks grainy.

read what I said: "but I thought that Dash 8s were not common on grass airfields (and shots taken a couple of meters away on takeoff weren't ether common)"

Quoting Granite (Reply 4):
but the processing is not your usual standard.

Too much sharpening eh? I don't know what my "usual standard" is! Should I rework them with less sharpening and upload again? Should I try using a sharp Apple screen for right sharpening?

Thanks,
David

PS: http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...Regional-4523-11062007-BSL-DAE.jpg

Rejected for overexposed, it seems that the only reason is that there's a little patch on the nose that's "too hot" (screener said). What's going on?! Am I getting crazy or are the standards going up like a rocket?


edit: and oh, I bought Spyder calibration system, learned how to calibrate, and more problems...

[Edited 2007-07-26 15:09:00]

User currently offlineAcontador From Chile, joined Jul 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4529 times:
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Hi David,

All pictures as shown have serious problems (and I mean serious  Wink ), mostly way oversharpened, and some have also problems with brightness/contrast. Having seen many of your other pics I think as Gary pointed out this is purely an editing problem. You just need to get a grip on your monitor settings again, and I'm sure it will be fine!

Quoting Granite (Reply 4):
The DC3 and Dash 8 image is really nice.........very nice actually


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Just sit back, relax and have a glass of Merlot...enjoy your life!
User currently offlineBubbles From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1196 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4523 times:
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Quoting Aero145 (Reply 5):
read what I said

I just wanted to tell you that shot was not only oversharpened, but also a little grainy. That's why 'quality' was given.


User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4523 times:

Quoting Acontador (Reply 6):
Having seen many of your other pics I think as Gary pointed out this is purely an editing problem.

Thank heaven (sorry for saying this as I don't believe in God)! But I must, as you said, get a grip at the monitor settings... but still I don't get this... sharpening fine on THIS screen, means that THIS screen is not in order... I didn't know you could change the sharpness of screens, or what?

Quoting Acontador (Reply 6):
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Gracias!


User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4523 times:

Quoting Bubbles (Reply 7):
That's why 'quality' was given.

yeah alright  Wink


User currently offlineIlikeflight From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 366 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4520 times:

As already said they are Way oversharpened


Think Different
User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4517 times:

Quoting Ilikeflight (Reply 10):
As already said they are Way oversharpened

Oh, you surprise me!  sarcastic 


User currently offlineLHRsunriser From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 399 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4496 times:

Yh they are oversharpened. Almost to a stage where extreme heat causes jaggies. Maybe just undersharpen them on your screen to adapt.

Cheers Dom



Getting back into it
User currently offlineDM From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4475 times:

Quoting LHRsunriser (Reply 12):
Maybe just undersharpen them on your screen to adapt.

As in sharpen less?? You can also sharpen on your moms screen and then send it to your computer to get an idea what it should look like on your computer.

DM


User currently offlineINNflight From Switzerland, joined Apr 2004, 3767 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4466 times:

Quoting Aero145 (Reply 8):
I didn't know you could change the sharpness of screens, or what?

Of course you can!

Quoting Aero145 (Reply 5):
Should I rework them with less sharpening and upload again?

If you want them in, probably  Wink

Cheers,
F.



Jet Visuals
User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4446 times:

Quoting LHRsunriser (Reply 12):
Maybe just undersharpen them on your screen to adapt.



Quoting DM (Reply 13):
You can also sharpen on your moms screen and then send it to your computer to get an idea what it should look like on your computer.

Guess I'll take a look at this...

Quoting INNflight (Reply 14):
Of course you can!

Then teach me, Lord Florian.  Wink

Quoting INNflight (Reply 14):
If you want them in, probably

So you thought I upload only to get more rejections?  Wow!


User currently offlineINNflight From Switzerland, joined Apr 2004, 3767 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4409 times:

Quoting Aero145 (Reply 15):
Then teach me, Lord Florian.

Well nothing to teach here, at least at my screens you can  Wink



Jet Visuals
User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4402 times:

Resubmit that DC-3/Dash-8 Photo. I very much like it. (After re-editing, naturally)


-Travel now, journey infinitely.
User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4393 times:

Quoting INNflight (Reply 16):
Well nothing to teach here, at least at my screens you can

Heh heh heh!

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 17):
Resubmit that DC-3/Dash-8 Photo.

Will re-edit all the photos that were rejected [except the takeoff Dash 8, Hongyin  sarcastic ], upload them on the net and post here. Will use my screen and not sharpen more than 200% 0.2 x 2 and 75% x 1.

Cheerio,
David


User currently offlineDvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1753 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4377 times:
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Quoting Bubbles (Reply 7):
I just wanted to tell you that shot was not only oversharpened, but also a little grainy. That's why 'quality' was given.

I'm curious then - why wasn't the grainy reject used instead of quality?

IMO, Quality is kind of an unnecessary item. If the photo is rejected, then it stands to reason that it didn't have the quality necessary to be accepted. If there's JPEG artifacts, then there should be a compression artifacts rejection. "Quality" is far too vague and can mean too many different things.



From the Mind of Minolta
User currently offlineCurrymonster From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4284 times:

Hi,

A big hello to you all  Smile I have been reading this forum for a while now and would like to thankyou all for the excellent advise given over the last year, I am now able to post at last!!

I am a new paid up member now I can post  Smile like everyone else yes they appear oversharpened, but when you double click them and open up in a full browser window they loose the jaggies.

This is a phenomenon that has always baffled me, as this has also happened to some of my shots, and I often think....yes they show jaggies but open them up into a large window please and they go!!

Could anyone please advise me on this, I hope I haven't "hijacked" this thread, I guess it follows on from what we are all talking about.

Thanks in advance

Cheers

Steve


User currently offlineDM From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4264 times:

Welcome Steve!

Quoting Currymonster (Reply 20):
I am a new paid up member now I can post like everyone else yes they appear oversharpened, but when you double click them and open up in a full browser window they loose the jaggies.

Um... not to be rude but everyone knows that...

DM


User currently offlineIngemarE From Sweden, joined Mar 2005, 285 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4232 times:

Aero145,

.....care to let us know what new screen you are using?!

I quite recently bought myself a new screen as well, and it has a whole range of different sharpness pre-settings.
Most of which make the pic's look really awkward, if you ask me!!  Yeah sure

I have a few pic's in the queu that have been edited on the new screen and I'm interested in seeing how they make it through the screeningprocess.



In thrust I trust.
User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4218 times:

Quoting IngemarE (Reply 22):
.....care to let us know what new screen you are using?!

I use an old TFT screen that I don't know the name of, my mom's screen is a PowerBook screen - a very "high acceptance" photographer here in the DB uses a PowerBook screen for all his photos and they are superb.

So, I will maybe be using an iMac screen but not yet.

So, I'm not using a new screen.  Smile


User currently offlineCurrymonster From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4210 times:

DM

Quoting Aero145 (Reply 23):
Um... not to be rude but everyone knows that...

Not for me to be rude DM but, did you read the rest of my message as follows


This is a phenomenon that has always baffled me, as this has also happened to some of my shots, and I often think....yes they show jaggies but open them up into a large window please and they go!!

Could anyone please advise me on this, I hope I haven't "hijacked" this thread, I guess it follows on from what we are all talking about.

It was a request for help based on the post I replied to, I didn't find your statement too helpful.

Steve


25 BrianW999 : Might I suggest using unsharp mask settings of 50__0.2__0 and take the sharpening up gradually until you first see some jaggies. Go back one step wit
26 Post contains images Granite : Steve Don't worry about that......David does it all the time Regards Gary
27 Post contains images BrianW999 : Huh ? Where did I say that ? [edit] Ah, I see it was actually currymonster that said it. Errant cut and pasting Gary ? [Edited 2007-07-28 17:02:53]
28 Post contains images Aero145 :
29 Post contains images Granite : Hi Brian Something went wrong as I clearly used the quote from Steve's post but for sme reason it pulled in your name. Ooops, sorry David......hijacki
30 Post contains images Granite : ..and my spelling by the looks of it Sorry David...again! Regards Gary
31 Post contains images Ptrjong : Happens all the time... you select text from one post, press the Quote button in the next post, and voila... Perhaps the new management can disable t
32 Fly747 : You should always view the large version of the picture because that is their true size. Any downsizing will result in jaggies and possibly other iss
33 Currymonster : Thanks Fly, So when we reduce the size to around 1200, is the photo viewed by the screeners at this size or do they zoom in to check it Sorry for the
34 DM : Say a photo is uploaded at 1024 pixels wide, the screeners will see it at 1024 pixels wide. There wont be any need for them to zoom in because it wil
35 Post contains images Aero145 : But you just did. Jajaja, right... Guess I'm going to let you guys use this thread and make a new thread...
36 Post contains images INNflight : Come on David, it's all been said anyway Florian
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