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User currently offlinePsych From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 3043 posts, RR: 59
Posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks ago) and read 3738 times:
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For those photographers who don't frequent the Site Forum, Johan has recently put up this thread, where he announces that he has sold the site to an American Company.

I thought it worth posting here, to facilitate communication and so draw photographers' attention to this important development, as I am sure many of us will have a lot of comments and questions.

Cheers.

Paul

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User currently offlineWalter2222 From Belgium, joined Sep 2005, 1292 posts, RR: 29
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3638 times:

Quoting Psych (Thread starter):
For those photographers who don't frequent the Site Forum, Johan has recently put up this thread, where he announces that he has sold the site to an American Company.

I thought it worth posting here, to facilitate communication and so draw photographers' attention to this important development, as I am sure many of us will have a lot of comments and questions.

Thanks for posting this, Paul!

PS: Hope you are doing OK in the UK (weatherwise)?

Best regards,

Walter



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User currently offlineDC10Tim From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1406 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3627 times:

So will the site actually be relocating to the US from Sweden?

And if so, what impact will this have on the site's desire not to pay too much attention to the complaints of airlines such as Alaska?

Potentially a good move in terms of technical improvement, just so long as the integrity of the site remain I think.

Regards,

Tim.

Quoting Walter2222 (Reply 1):
PS: Hope you are doing OK in the UK (weatherwise)?

Normal summer where Paul comes from  Wink



Obviously missing something....
User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3606 times:

Hopefully now that a company with $$ in it's pockets will see fit to actually pay the people that make it what it is. And pay in real money for the sales of our images, which without them would be?? Not much at all.

User currently offlineGraphic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3590 times:

Quoting JeffM (Reply 3):
Hopefully now that a company with $$ in it's pockets will see fit to actually pay the people that make it what it is. And pay in real money for the sales of our images, which without them would be?? Not much at all.

 checkmark  Well said Jeff.


User currently offlineSkidmarks From UK - England, joined Dec 2004, 7121 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3538 times:

Quoting JeffM (Reply 3):
Hopefully now that a company with $$ in it's pockets will see fit to actually pay the people that make it what it is. And pay in real money for the sales of our images, which without them would be?? Not much at all.

Well, I wondered how long it would be before the commercial stuff came out. And frankly, since this site was primarily a showcase for amateur's, I think it is a shame that some people here feel that payment for the images they voluntarily uploaded was neccessary. It's nice to make a sale, but for most here I think that is a sideline bonus and simply getting their pictures on the site and viewed is enough.

I hope the site maintains it's amateur status and standards and does not succumb to the mighty dollar and greed.

Andy  old 



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User currently offlineCalgaryBill From Canada, joined May 2006, 686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3536 times:

Quoting JeffM (Reply 3):
Hopefully now that a company with $$ in it's pockets will see fit to actually pay the people that make it what it is.

Maybe that will happen. But in my experience, "mergers" or buyouts are usually driven by money. While new owners talk about "improvements" that usually means "rightsizing" or cost cutting. Sorry to be negative, but I've worked for several companies that were bought out, and in every case the buyout was driven by the buyer wanting some asset of the company being sold. Even if the asset was the company's good name in its industry, then that was the only reason for the purchase.

I'd like to wish Johan all the best and thank him for all the hard work he did building this site. It's his to own and sell and I hope he got fair return for his effort.

B


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3516 times:

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 5):
for the images they voluntarily uploaded

Jeff seems to forget that important fact. I would be willing to bet he has sold many a pic thanks to the exposure they get here. Which are hosted free btw.

Also don't forget you have the ability to not have your photos for sale via the site.

[Edited 2007-07-27 23:21:39]

[Edited 2007-07-27 23:46:36]

User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3494 times:

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 5):
I think it is a shame that some people here feel that payment for the images they voluntarily uploaded was neccessary.

and...

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 7):
Jeff seems to forget that important fact. I would be willing to bet he has sold many a pic thanks to the exosure they get here. Which are hosted free btw.

Don't be jack-a$ses you two.... I'm referring to the screeners, and crew.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 7):
Also don't forget you have the ability to not have your photos for sale via the site.

I don't.

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 5):
It's nice to make a sale, but for most here I think that is a sideline bonus and simply getting their pictures on the site and viewed is enough.

Such a nice touchy feely remark, I'll bet you felt good writing it?

I bet it feels even better raking in cash from people donating a saleable commodity, one that the commercial world pays dearly for. There would be nothing at all wrong with raising the amount the photographer gets from a picture sale. It's good business. Think about it.....


User currently offlineChrisH From Sweden, joined Jul 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3478 times:

This is good news for Johan and congratulations to him!


I just pray a.net doesnt get the americana treatment, i.e one million popups and advertisers, ruining of the clean a.net design etc... just look at jp.net.. horrid.

However if they can come up with a way to get the people uploading to perhaps make a little money off their pics, that would be great.



what seems to be the officer, problem?
User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3427 times:

Quoting ChrisH (Reply 9):
I just pray a.net doesnt get the americana treatment,

 Yeah sure

Yeah, success is a terrible thing.  Wink


User currently offlineEksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1265 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3355 times:
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Whoa..this is scary stuff...

Congrats to Johan for cashing out. Good job in getting the site to where it is. I really mean that!

However, i have my concerns about the future.

Quoting JeffM (Reply 3):
Hopefully now that a company with $$ in it's pockets will see fit to actually pay the people that make it what it is. And pay in real money for the sales of our images, which without them would be?? Not much at all.

In a good case scenerio yes. However, corperate demands are far different than an individual run enterprise.



Anbody who believes everything new acquiistion owners say before and during a purchase, please contact me 'cos i have a big bridge to sell in Brooklyn.

Am sorry but i am skeptical about the outcome.


Sorry Johan.

I guess the competition is still not corperate.



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User currently offlineIlikeflight From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 366 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3346 times:

Good job Johan on the website but I checked out the buyers other websites they own and they all look the same not good I hope they dont turn our beloved website into a dump


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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5825 posts, RR: 41
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3337 times:

Quoting JeffM (Reply 3):
Hopefully now that a company with $$ in it's pockets will see fit to actually pay the people that make it what it is. And pay in real money for the sales of our images, which without them would be?? Not much at all.

I wonder how the new owners intend on making a return on their investment?  Wink



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3280 times:

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 13):
I wonder how the new owners intend on making a return on their investment?

Monty your question was answered the first time you asked it in site related. Advertising and membership.

I can see by your post over there that you feel this site owes you because of you and everyone's uploads but don't forget it's the site that hosts your pics for nothing and generates the traffic that views them. It's a two way street.

Quoting JeffM (Reply 8):
I bet it feels even better raking in cash from people donating a saleable commodity, one that the commercial world pays dearly for.

Jesus Jeff, nobody is forcing you to upload here.

Quoting JeffM (Reply 8):
There would be nothing at all wrong with raising the amount the photographer gets from a picture sale. It's good business. Think about it.....

Makes total sense, but it's not our call. What is our call is taking the photo sale option down all together and negotiating the price yourself when someone shows interest. Think about it.


User currently offlinePrat From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 229 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3269 times:

Sad that it was purchased by a company that simply buys websites for the traffic rather than someone more aviation-related. I hope it doesn't turn to hell like I've seen so many sites in the past. Best of luck to the new owners and I really do hope they put as much effort and dedication into it that Johan did.

User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3269 times:

Quoting JeffM (Reply 3):
Hopefully now that a company with $$ in it's pockets will see fit to actually pay the people that make it what it is.

how do you think they got that money? Not by paying people to help out on sites, but by making people pay to help out...

So I'd sooner expect free services to be restricted rather than expanded. Think being shown a 320x200 version of a photo only unless you're a paying member, forums being readonly unless you're a paying member, and things like that.
Moderators may get the same benefits as paying members as a reward for their help.



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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9601 posts, RR: 69
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3257 times:
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Quoting Jwenting (Reply 16):
Moderators may get the same benefits as paying members as a reward for their help.

That is what we get now, plus the satisfaction of giving back to a hobby we all love.

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 16):
Not by paying people to help out on sites, but by making people pay to help out...

You mean they will make us pay to screen? Hahahaha.


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24815 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3233 times:

Quoting JeffM (Reply 8):

Don't be jack-a$ses you two.... I'm referring to the screeners, and crew.

Who are all volunteers as well



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User currently offlinePsych From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 3043 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3218 times:
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There are just so many interesting issues that this raises - many of them somewhat worrying.

What about this one? Clearly Demand Media will be keen to maximise traffic on the site; presumably that is there whole raison d'etre. There are regular threads here where mention has been made of the times when Johan had cleaned up his queue, because very often many of those shots, by their very nature more 'varied' than the normal kind of image we see here (often breaking the rules, or at least pushing their boundaries significantly), appear on the front page of that Top of the Day. So one might be forgiven for concluding that it is often the contentious shots that 'pull in those extra viewers'. Now if I was Demand Media and I believed this I might want to 'interfere' in the kind of images that were accepted and those that were rejected - it might be a real tester if they kept seeing threads including photos they (and others) believed would be big hitters if accepted, but which were rejected.

I think we have all seen evidence recently that the screening team are not always rigid and do recognise a good photo when they see one. But it's a thought.

I may be being overly skeptical - but if I was the man in charge and I saw things that seemed to me to go against my 'business plan', I can't imagine being able to sit back and not 'stick my oar in'.

Paul

Edited for typo

[Edited 2007-07-28 09:09:31]

User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3147 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 17):
You mean they will make us pay to screen? Hahahaha.

That's what happens at sites like ExpertsExchange. Only paying members have access to functions that can be used to answer questions etc.

So yes, I can imagine it happening because I've seen it happen.



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User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 65
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3130 times:
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Johan and Demand media have assured us that uploading will remain a free service. The screening process will also remain the same.

Tim



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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3505 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3103 times:

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 21):
Johan and Demand media have assured us that uploading will remain a free service.

That's a good laugh. Uploading your photos that keep this site running will remain free (for now). How generous.


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3089 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):
Jesus Jeff, nobody is forcing you to upload here.



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):
What is our call is taking the photo sale option down all together and negotiating the price yourself when someone shows interest. Think about it.

I didn't believe it, but I guess what the others said is true.....you really don't get it, do you? I don't use the photo sale option.

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 18):
Who are all volunteers as well

Same goes for you.

Does anyone thinks this site was purchased with anything other then making money in mind? I'd love to hear an answer to that. There will be changes, no doubt about it.


User currently offlineAndyHunt From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1306 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3076 times:
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Quoting JeffM (Reply 23):
There will be changes, no doubt about it.

Yes, I agree, but from what I have heard, changes for the better. And that will be good for all of us.

Andrew



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25 TransIsland : I'd oracle that the first thing to go is "Premium" membership.
26 Post contains images Diezel : Well, Good for Johan! I think it's a wise decision as there are a lot of outages and the site can use some updates. If you can't manage it anymore the
27 NIKV69 : Then what is this statement? Your trying to say no pics no site? Well if you didn'tt have the site nobody would be looking at your pictures. Remember
28 Post contains images Clickhappy : I just had a look, and it looks like you are wrong. But maybe I am looking in the wrong area, so please provide a source to support your argument. At
29 Post contains images PUnmuth@VIE : You should learn how to quote correctly before trying to post. Danny never wrote this.
30 NIKV69 : I know I bullocks that up something fierce, apoligies to Danny we know who the quote was from.
31 Eksath : ...and the forum with premium membership?
32 TimdeGroot : As far as I undertand it only ADDITIONAL services will be added for which you have to pay, all accounts will stay intact and with the same priviliges
33 JeffM : You must me a rock. Pay the screeners and crew. If the site wants to resell the images here, make it worthwhile for both. I don't use the photo sale
34 Jid : So this is the only site to show you pictures?? Nik, wake up!! There are plenty of other sites and what Jeff says is correct, no pics no site just th
35 Post contains images DC10Tim : I wonder if the new owners will start charging for blatant advertisements?
36 Graphic : Who do you propose they'd charge? There's alot more than just one competitor site.
37 JohnJ : Are the million-plus photos hosted by Airliners.net considered to be assets of Airliners.net? I have no problem uploading my shots on the site in its
38 NIKV69 : That may well happen andif it does it is none of your business or anyone else. Contrary to popular belief it's not our pictures that pay for that. Ye
39 PUnmuth@VIE : Thats fine just don't read it. Always remember the others could be right and you could be wrong.
40 Paulinbna : Before you go ahead and make this kind of claim make sure you check your facts. Since 24th July 2007 the other site has : 7323 uploads Airliners in t
41 BAPILOT2B : Exactly my worry. Talk about utter BS, so you are telling me if ALL images were removed from A.Net by ALL photographers.....people would still come a
42 DC10Tim : Nevermind, I expect it went over most people's head.
43 Post contains images NIKV69 : Never said they were wrong, just want to see them back up their words with action. Instead of just continuing to upload here. Ok, here is the deal, a
44 ANITIX87 : Well her cell-mates are halfway there. I agree with you Nicholas. This site has always had the two-faced people on it. One of the reasons I post a lo
45 Codeshare : Time will tell if it was a good or a bad move. Recently dpreview.com was bought by amazon.com and looks like nothing bad happened. So far... KS/codesh
46 PhilGil : John, this is my biggest concern, as well. I don't think Demand Media can just cliam that our photos belong to them - that would certainly be a viola
47 Post contains images D L X : No. Yes: copyright law. You're the author, you own the copyright unless you sell or assign those rights to someone else. It's the same thing as for m
48 Post contains links ANCFlyer : Continue this conversation in the Site Related Thread. The sell of this site not only concerns the photographers here, but all 60,000 members. Two sim
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