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User currently offlineDerekF From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 909 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2191 times:

Had this rejected for category, but no clues as to why. It only had Military selected. I have checked other similar photos with no clues either.


http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r.../20070730_EGVA_140707_Tbirds_7.jpg

Anybody help?

Derek


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User currently offlineBubbles From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1193 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2187 times:
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Please also select 'TAIL'.

_Hongyin_


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9623 posts, RR: 68
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2187 times:
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Did you remember to check "TAIL?"

User currently offlineDerekF From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 909 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2187 times:

I though TAIL was only for airliners? NOSE certainly is.


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User currently offlineJid From Barbados, joined Dec 2004, 972 posts, RR: 31
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2175 times:

'Tails' only applies to airliners, unless the rules have been changed without changing the help text.


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User currently offlineDerekF From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 909 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2171 times:

Quoting Jid (Reply 4):
'Tails' only applies to airliners, unless the rules have been changed without changing the help text.

That's certainly what I thought so I didn't select it. Maybe it has changed.



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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9623 posts, RR: 68
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2164 times:
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Text does say Airliners, yet there are all sorts of warbirds, mil jets, and biz jets with Tail checked.

Better wait for an editor to weigh in.


User currently offlineJid From Barbados, joined Dec 2004, 972 posts, RR: 31
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2137 times:

So if Derek was to appeal would the head screeners know if the 'tail' category applies to Mil jets or not? There certainly seems to be some uncertainty with the screeners. It would be nice to have some clarity on the subject.


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User currently offlineDerekF From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 909 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2126 times:

To be honest there should be no uncertainty. It says airliners only. I had a A-26 nose close-up rejected for category a few months ago as I had selected NOSE and was told in the rejcetion e-mail that this was for airliners only. No uncertainty there.

If as Clickhappy says there are photos with NOSE or TAIL selected that are non-airliners then those should have been rejected as mine was.



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User currently offlineDendrobatid From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1667 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2110 times:
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Derek
I am sure that you are right. The help menu does say airliners only but I am equally sure that there are plenty on the database that are not airliners. I have probably accepted them myself too - few complain about wrong acceptances, only wrong rejections !  Smile
I have forwarded this thread to editors and screeners for some discussion and a definitive answer.
Mick Bajcar


User currently offlineDerekF From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 909 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2108 times:

Thanks Mick.

I look forward to a positive outcome.  Smile

Derek



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User currently offlineDerekF From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 909 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2053 times:

Well, I appealed the photo and big surprise it has been rejected for something else. INFO this time - no clues, no personal message, nothing, so I don't know what is wrong. Why was it not rejected for INFO the first time???

And I still don't know if it should be TAIL or not.

Does anyone ever get an appealed photo accepted?
 

[Edited 2007-08-01 21:57:27]


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User currently offlineDendrobatid From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1667 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2039 times:
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Derek
With appalling timing, I have an answer to the tails business.
It was not straightforward and the opinions of Editors and Screeners had to be sought, with the final say going to the Editors.
There was however total unanimity in the end and the help texts will shortly be changed to remove reference to airliners ie any tails or noses will now be accepted in those categories.

As to appeals, we screeners get to see all of them and, yes, quite a few are accepted.
Without seeing the information for your shot, I have no idea what might be wrong.

Mick Bajcar


User currently offlineDerekF From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 909 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2036 times:

So my photo was rejected for a rule that hadn't been changed yet? Hmm. Yeah sure

It was the head screener who rejected it for INFO on appeal. It wouldn't hurt to help a little bit would it?

As it was appealed the photo does not appear in my rejected photos list anymore ( bit of a drop-off there I feel).

As far as I can recall I did not put any serial numbers in the field as I couldn't be certain which aircraft it was. The aircraft had no "Thunderbird" number on it. I may have put F-16C rather than F-16D (not that you can tell from the photo). I guess it will remain one of life's mysteries.



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User currently offlineDendrobatid From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1667 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2033 times:
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Derek
The rejection would have been for category if the tail had been wrong and the Heads are well aware of the discussions and are not so unreasonable as to reject for that when they aware of this thread.
In view of what you have just said about not knowing which example it was, can I hazard a guess (and that is all it is) that you left the serial blank when it should have been **-**** (the first two digits are probably known actually)

Mick Bajcar


User currently offlineDerekF From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 909 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2031 times:

Quoting DerekF (Reply 11):
Why was it not rejected for INFO the first time???

??

[Edited 2007-08-01 23:15:39]


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User currently offlineDerekF From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 909 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2018 times:

At the time of upload the TAIL category was for Airliners only, I therefore did not select that category. On that basis my photo was rejected incorrectly and should have been accepted on appeal.

I realize that on all of my appealed photos some other rejection reason normally becomes apparent so as to make it a waste of time anyway.

Derek



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User currently offlineDM From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2014 times:

Quoting DerekF (Reply 15):
??

What he means is that when your shot got rejected for TAIL, why didn't it also get rejected for INFO at that same time rather than you appealing just to find out that it received an INFO reject.

DM


User currently offlineDerekF From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 909 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2010 times:

Exactly DM. I know it was my quote to try and get an answer. It seems to be one of a.net's bugbears for appeals though.


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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9623 posts, RR: 68
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2009 times:
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Perhaps the screener made a mistake? Just like the photographer. It happens, we are all human.

User currently offlineDerekF From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 909 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2004 times:

What mistake did I make then? Uploading the photo in the first place I suppose.


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User currently offlineDendrobatid From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1667 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2000 times:
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Quoting DerekF (Reply 20):
What mistake did I make then? Uploading the photo in the first place I suppose.

I don't know as I have not seen the info you submitted. I was only guessing at what you might have done wrong. I have done what I can !
Mick


User currently offlineDerekF From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 909 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1995 times:

The help is appreciated but can you not see why folks get fed up when a few words in the rejection e-mail would be a huge amount of help.

Quoting Dendrobatid (Reply 21):
I don't know as I have not seen the info you submitted.

It is a bit of a flaw in the system that an appealed photo disappears completely. I can't remember what I put myself now so I am in danger of repeating the mistake (should I bother to reupload - I probably won't)

Derek



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