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User currently offlineTopGun3 From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 263 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4020 times:

I got this email today

"I am writing to request permission to use your image] in an exhibit computer interactive and on the website for America by Air, a major new exhibition from The Smithsonian Institution's National Air and Space Museum in Washington D.C. The new gallery, America by Air, will encompass 15,000 square feet and contain hundreds of images.
If you are willing to grant us permission, please send me an email with the exact wording of your credit line and a hi-res, non-water marked version of the image.

Thank you very much for your help."

Just wondering if someone else got a request from them, and if I should ask for $$ for the image to be used.

Any input would be appreciated.

Mark Kryst - YXUphoto


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User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4013 times:

What is the image they would like to use?

User currently offlineTopGun3 From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4004 times:

what is the code to include a picture from DB in a message?

Thanks.



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User currently offlineEK20 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4003 times:

Quoting TopGun3 (Reply 2):

 Yeah sure I would tell them you charge a fee for a hi-res image.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3983 times:

Quoting EK20 (Reply 3):
I would tell them you charge a fee for a hi-res image.

How is this.

http://newmail.monsterserve.com/keepout/movies/onemillion.wav

I would definately ask for money for use.


User currently offlineUnattendedBag From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2311 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3957 times:

I got the same email requesting a high-resolution image of:

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © John padgett




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User currently offlineFly747 From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1497 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3939 times:

Quoting TopGun3 (Reply 2):
what is the code to include a picture from DB in a message?

< p h o t o i d : X X X X X X >

Substitute the Xs with the image ID and no spaces.

Ivan



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User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1562 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3927 times:

I'd consider it an honor, personally, and wouldn't ask for a fee from them. Since, if it gets included in anything they do, it is surely a talking point for later sales.


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User currently onlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1642 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3922 times:

I got the same message - the person who sent it had an e-mail domain of "si.edu" so it sounds like they're on the up-and-up. I'm inclined to let them use my shot (a United 757 in the new scheme) for free. After all, the Smithsonian Air & Space Museum is a not-for-profit organization, and if they're using it in their downtown DC facility, they don't charge admission. Perhaps I can think of this as my way of donating to the Air & Space Museum, which in my mind is a worthy cause.

User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10998 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3879 times:

Quoting JohnJ (Reply 8):
After all, the Smithsonian Air & Space Museum is a not-for-profit organization, and if they're using it in their downtown DC facility, they don't charge admission.

They still pay for the things that make the place tick, which would include your photos. I believe they get their operating money from federal grants to cover this stuff and others.

I'd at least ask for something cool that the smithsonian could give you. Maybe a really nice spotting vantage at Dulles?



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User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3309 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3867 times:

Any dollar a museum spends on obtaining photos is a dollar they can not use to maintain or buy their exhibitis. In my opinion you should do it free of charge. If it will be used in the media I would aks a minor fee though. I Like DLX's ideao f getting a nice day spotting at Dulles.


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User currently offlinePhilGil From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 249 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3775 times:

Could you donate the image then deduct the value from your taxes as a charitable contribution? You could do it in the U.S., but I don't know how Canadian tax law works.

User currently offlineOlegShv From Sweden, joined Mar 2006, 683 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3653 times:

I got the same email today asking for permission to use the photo below.


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Oleg Shiryayev



I'm not going to ask for any money.

Regards,

Oleg.


User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1562 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3634 times:

What on earth do they need all these photos for?


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User currently offlineDC10Tim From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1406 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3614 times:

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 7):
I'd consider it an honor, personally, and wouldn't ask for a fee from them. Since, if it gets included in anything they do, it is surely a talking point for later sales.



Quoting JohnJ (Reply 8):
Perhaps I can think of this as my way of donating to the Air & Space Museum, which in my mind is a worthy cause.



Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 10):
Any dollar a museum spends on obtaining photos is a dollar they can not use to maintain or buy their exhibitis. In my opinion you should do it free of charge.

Me too. Any educational establishment or not-for-profit organisation who are open to the public, I would seriously consider allowing have an image for free. Maybe it's just me, but I think it's a worthy cause.

Quoting D L X (Reply 9):
They still pay for the things that make the place tick, which would include your photos. I believe they get their operating money from federal grants to cover this stuff and others.

See I don't get this perspective. So what if they are getting money from central government? They will still have a budget to work to. Would you rather pay more in taxes to fund museums having to pay people for exhibits?

Regards,

Tim.



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User currently offlineUnattendedBag From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2311 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3607 times:

Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 10):
Any dollar a museum spends on obtaining photos is a dollar they can not use to maintain or buy their exhibitis.

this is exactly what they are doing, buying an exhibit.



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User currently onlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1642 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3590 times:

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 13):
What on earth do they need all these photos for?

This is a good question - I wonder how many A.net photographers have been contacted. I'm just a lowly snapshot shooter and got two messages, so I imagine they've been hitting the database pretty hard. I just got another message today asking for a different photo. I never responded to their first message, but will still probably let them have both images. It sounds like this will be some type of computer-based exhibit that has a myriad of images of modern commercial aviation.


User currently offlineOlegShv From Sweden, joined Mar 2006, 683 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3587 times:

I don't know about the rest of you who were contacted by the National Air & Space Museum, but I donated a picture they asked for. Here is the link for the exhibition they are trying to build.

http://www.nasm.si.edu/americabyair/index.htm

I personally don't feel that charging them, it's all for good cause and it's about aviation!

Regards,

Oleg.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10998 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3566 times:

Quoting DC10Tim (Reply 14):
See I don't get this perspective. So what if they are getting money from central government? They will still have a budget to work to. Would you rather pay more in taxes to fund museums having to pay people for exhibits?

Taking that photo was not free of cost. Photographers as I know you're aware have to pay for their equipment. Giving away their photos does not help defray that cost. Now, I'm not going to ever criticize someone who gives his stuff away for free (contrary to others on this site) because I think it's their business. But to say that you shouldn't charge because it's a not-for-profit shows that one doesn't realize that these not-for-profits still normally pay for the things that they get. Not all is donated. (For instance, do you think the Smithsonian bought the Hope Diamond? Would YOU give it up for free?)

But then again, you also advocate people just copying photos because, "hey -- you're not going to get caught."



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User currently offlineUnattendedBag From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2311 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3530 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 18):
shows that one doesn't realize that these not-for-profits still normally pay for the things that they get. Not all is donated. (For instance, do you think the Smithsonian bought the Hope Diamond? Would YOU give it up for free?)

http://www.si.edu/Encyclopedia_SI/nmnh/hope.htm

"For the next 10 years the Hope diamond was shown at many exhibits and charitable events world wide by Harry Winston Inc., including as the central attraction of their Court of Jewels exhibition. On November 10, 1958, they donated the Hope diamond to the Smithsonian Institution, and almost immediately the great blue stone became its premier attraction."

It was donated.



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User currently offlineDC10Tim From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1406 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3523 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 18):
Taking that photo was not free of cost. Photographers as I know you're aware have to pay for their equipment. Giving away their photos does not help defray that cost.

Of course, but it is a fact of life in most countries that museums and the like are way down the list when it comes to funding, as people, quite rightly, prefer priority to be given to health, schools, transport, defense etc. etc. Almost all museums rely on benevolence to some extent. Now what you have to ask yourself is, are you prepared to donate a little of your personal wealth, or stand a little cost in order to help a wider cause - i.e. educating the public. Personally, I would be most likely.

Quoting D L X (Reply 18):
But then again, you also advocate people just copying photos because, "hey -- you're not going to get caught."

You'll have to enlighten me there, I don't remember advocating anyone copying photos.

Regards,

Tim.



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10998 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3515 times:

Quoting UnattendedBag (Reply 19):
"For the next 10 years the Hope diamond was shown at many exhibits and charitable events world wide by Harry Winston Inc., including as the central attraction of their Court of Jewels exhibition. On November 10, 1958, they donated the Hope diamond to the Smithsonian Institution, and almost immediately the great blue stone became its premier attraction."

It was donated.

Geebus!!

Well, I stand corrected. But you know what? I'm sure the people that donated the Hope Diamond can afford it. They're rich. I am not.

As for other things, did the architect that designed the Smithsonian do it for free? How about the builders? I bet a good chunk of the exhibits were bought as well. The Smithsonian, while a non-profit, is not a charity.

Quoting DC10Tim (Reply 20):
Of course, but it is a fact of life in most countries that museums and the like are way down the list when it comes to funding, as people, quite rightly, prefer priority to be given to health, schools, transport, defense etc. etc. Almost all museums rely on benevolence to some extent. Now what you have to ask yourself is, are you prepared to donate a little of your personal wealth, or stand a little cost in order to help a wider cause - i.e. educating the public. Personally, I would be most likely.

As I said, I'm not going to criticize someone that gives their stuff away. I've given more away than I've sold. But I'd expect the same respect if and when I choose to charge for something that I worked on. It is not appropriate to demand someone else to give what they have for free.

Quoting DC10Tim (Reply 20):
I don't remember advocating anyone copying photos.

My bad. It was software.



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User currently offlineUnattendedBag From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2311 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3507 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 21):
I'm sure the people that donated the Hope Diamond can afford it. They're rich. I am not.

I love how your are comparing a photo of an aircraft using (maybe) $3000 worth of equipment to Harry Winston's donation of the Hope Diamond to the Smithsonian.

Please continue...



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10998 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3505 times:

Quoting UnattendedBag (Reply 22):
I love how your are comparing a photo of an aircraft using (maybe) $3000 worth of equipment to Harry Winston's donation of the Hope Diamond to the Smithsonian.

Please continue...

Are you accusing me of grasping at straws?  Silly

But it is true that some people are in a financial position where they can give things away, and some people aren't.



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User currently offlineDC10Tim From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1406 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3504 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 21):
But I'd expect the same respect if and when I choose to charge for something that I worked on. It is not appropriate to demand someone else to give what they have for free.

Sure, but I don't think the email originally posted requesting the photo was particularly expectant. At the end of the day, it is the individuals decision, I gave my opinion.

Quoting D L X (Reply 21):
My bad. It was software.

Funny, I sensed there was something you wanted to get off your chest. If you read the thread I didn't advocate that either, not that any parallels can be drawn between donating a photo to a museum and piracy.

Tim.



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25 Scotland1979 : Mark! I have the same thing about emails from the Smithinson's - I send 2 high-resolution images this past week. I didn't ask for $. I hope it is not
26 Post contains links and images TopGun3 : Hey Frank....long time no see. Even before I checked on this thread (nice response BTW), I decided to "donate" my photo as well. This is the one they
27 Scotland1979 : Mark, how did you paste this photo into this thread? I tried but I do not know where to paste this
28 OlegShv : Type the following in your message where you would like the photo to appear: < photoid: 12345> where "12345" is the photo ID number and omit the spac
29 Post contains images Paulinbna : At least they seem to be updating there pictures at the Smithsonian I was there about a year ago and all the pictures where from the 70's. Saying a mo
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