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Airfield Motiv?  
User currently offlineRanger703 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 157 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1964 times:

Hi all,

I'm a bit miffed!! I uploaded this shot of one of Scotland's most popular GA airfields in the hope of it getting accepted.I was quite pleased when it got through the initial screening but somewhat suprised when I found that it had been left for Johan,after all its just a airfield overview,not unlike many already in the database( I browsed to check motiv's etc prior to uploading).This evening I have received a rejection email stating it has been rejected for motiv!




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Where have I gone wrong?

Regards
Andy

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User currently offlineLanas From Argentina, joined Aug 2006, 978 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1949 times:

Andy

The picture is nice, but if Johan has already rejected it then I think you should give it up.  Sad
There´s nothing you 'did' wrong, it´s just a motive that Johan didn´t find suitable for the type of airfield shot that you can see in the DB.
I like it. The landscape is very nice, although I think that the problem can be that there are no runway markings to make it more appealing as an airfield shot. Next time it would be great if you could include at least the runway numbers.

My 2 cents. Hope it helps.  Smile

Cheers
Lanas.-



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User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3906 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1935 times:

Hi Andy,

Quoting Ranger703 (Thread starter):
its just a airfield overview,not unlike many already in the database

I'm sure that is true, but many similar shots get rejected, too.
In my opinion, although the scenery is nice, there's just too much empty grass runway. I don't suppose that aircraft took off towards the camera - would have made the picture much more interesting.

I guess I was lucky. Should this have been a grass runway, I would have been banned for uploading a soccer field  Smile

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User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1898 times:
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Hi Andy

Note that the headscreeners have taken over johan's queue now.

While we accept airfields shot like this there simply needs to be more to the shot than a grass pitch and two tiny aircraft.

Cheers
Tim



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User currently offlineRanger703 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1888 times:

Any chance that you can elaborate Tim?

This is an overview of the airfield,as it looks from an aircraft at the line-up position. I am at a loss in attempting to see how it is different from many other overviews in the database. What kind of motiv would you suggest?

Accepted July29: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1241230/M/

Accepted July1st: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1230579/M/

Accepted June26: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1228707/M/

Just a few,have the rules changed?

Thanks
Andy

[Edited 2007-08-21 00:37:59]

[Edited 2007-08-21 00:50:06]

User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1877 times:
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Hi Andy

Our rules are not always so easy to interpret. While we accept airfield overviews, we also make decisions on how 'interesting' the image is. And of course that is subjective we felt your image was not interesting enough since it shows oly grass and a few small aircraft in the background.

As an example of how we interpret our rules have a look at this image


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This perhaps looks like less of an airport than your image yet the motive is more interesting (my opinion)

Hope this answers your questions, it's the best I can give you. When it comes to motive the rules are not always so clear as with other rejecitons.

Tim



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User currently offlineRanger703 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1869 times:

Thanks for your response Tim.

I have sent you an email, but where does my uninteresting piece of grass differ to the 2 grass strips I've placed links to,that neither contain aircraft?

Confused!

Andy


User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1863 times:

Yours probably should have been accepted, although the fact that it doesn't have a paved runway makes it questionable. It's not too much different than this one of mine:


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User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3906 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1861 times:

Quoting Ranger703 (Reply 6):

Although some locations are rarer than others, I see no difference between the accepted shots you showed and yours, except that yours is actually a little more bit interesting in my opinion. However, obviously, some screeners will accept these and some will not. You're a bit unlucky here, or perhaps the other guys were very lucky to have their shots accepted - you may only see the accepted top of an iceberg of rejections. You could try an appeal, of course, but comparing with accepted shots generally gets you nowhere.

For run-of-the-mill airliner motives, it's more or less clear what is acceptable and what is not, but for this kind of shots, yes, screening is not going to be entirely consistent. We have to accept that when uploading such shots I'm afraid. When they are really, really nice, they pretty consistently do get in, and these will be your greatest photos in the database.

Peter

[Edited 2007-08-21 01:30:27]


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User currently offlineDazbo5 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 2888 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1828 times:

Although your shot is interesting Andy, I have to agree with the screeners here. There's not enough overall 'interest' in the shot, it's just a grass strip as it is. If there was something in the foreground, the composition would be greatly improved. For example, this is a shot which I suppose is similar to yours in that it's a small airfield:


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Imagine that shot without the runway designation. It just wouldn't work. I just feel your shot needs something to anchor it in the foreground. It is an interesting shot though, just not for here as it stands.

Darren



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User currently offlineZakHH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

Quoting Ranger703 (Reply 4):

I tend to agree with you, Andy. To me, your shot both seems more interesting and I find more aviation reference than in the 3 (accepted) shots you included in your post.

Would have loved to see it in the DB, but then, these kind of shots are hard to be judged by specific rules. I guess you were just unlucky.


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