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What Monitors Are Screeners Use?  
User currently offlineScotland1979 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 548 posts, RR: 12
Posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4186 times:
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Hello screeners!
I would like to ask you about the computer monitor. Which monitor are you using to screen? LCD or CRT?

I have both LCD and CRT. I am trying to figure out. I use CRT to edit and upload photos. The photos look sharp while using CRT monitor. After you accepted some and I checked them with LCD monitor and I can see some are soft (which I assume you are using CRT) Some of them rejected due to soft (I assume you are using LCD) I checked them with CRT and they do not look soft.
So my question - some screeners use CRT and some use LCD which make different result while screening? Should are are you all using CRT only? Do you know what I mean? I am looking at both LCD and CRT. Photos look softer with LCD and they look sharp with CRT.

Just a thought to ask you a question.

Thank you!

Frank


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User currently offlineIL76 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2004, 2237 posts, RR: 48
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4176 times:

I have an LCD. I don't have space for a similar sized CRT.
In my experience, photos always looked softer on a CRT actually. Maybe I had a dodgy one...

Ed


User currently offlineScotland1979 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 548 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4170 times:
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On the other hand. At specific photos, they look good with LCD and they look oversharped (jagged) while look at CRT. It is another question. Wonder how can they be avoided as all of us have 2 different monitors. Maybe it would be much easier and save all of us if we all are using one standard monitor. Would that be helpful?
One negative thing is not all of us have $$ to buy to meet all standard monitor.



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User currently offlineBubbles From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1195 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4094 times:
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Quoting IL76 (Reply 1):
In my experience, photos always looked softer on a CRT actually.

Agree with Ed. I also think LCD renders slightly sharper images than CRT does.

_Hongyin_


User currently offlineBubbles From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1195 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4082 times:
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Quoting Scotland1979 (Reply 2):
It is another question. Wonder how can they be avoided as all of us have 2 different monitors. Maybe it would be much easier and save all of us if we all are using one standard monitor. Would that be helpful?
One negative thing is not all of us have $$ to buy to meet all standard monitor.

Frank, I don't think the difference between LCD and CRT is significant (yes, they're slightly different). I don't think that causes any problems that some of us are using CRT and others are using LCD. And for your "negative thing", I could let you know that my current monitors (by which I normally edit my shots as well as screening) are not too expensive at all. So, to me, it shouldn't matter as long as the monitor isn't a low-end product.  Wink

_Hongyin_


User currently offlineDerekF From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 912 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4073 times:

I think it is a reasonable question to ask though. I get many "soft" rejections and yet they look sharp, sometimes oversharpened on my LCD monitor. This means to get photos accpeted I effectively have to guess how much sharpening they need. Sometimes I get it get right, sometimes not.

If LCD and CRT sharpness is different and with the fine line between acceptance and rejection, I think it could make all the difference. If an image has been sharpened using an LCD monitor, I would suggest that screener A may accept the image if he views it with a similar screen. If screener B sees it with an CRT monitor he may reject it for being soft. Conversely, images edited on CRT monitors may be rejected for oversharpened.

Just my 2p (OK maybe 2.5p) worth

Derek



Whatever.......
User currently offlineLennymuir From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2002, 434 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4055 times:

I agree Derek..

I use a CRT.

This may explain some very strange 'jaggy' rejects I've experienced lately.

Maybe some screeners won't agree, but it has to be said.

I think it does matter.


Gerry


User currently offlineGBeasley From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 3 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4048 times:

LCD for me, though have never had experience of a CRT.

User currently offlineBubbles From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1195 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4042 times:
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Quoting Lennymuir (Reply 6):
This may explain some very strange 'jaggy' rejects I've experienced lately.

Hi Gerry

Would you like to show one or two examples? Even if normally I edit my photos on LCD's, I still have two CRT monitors and I would like to try to see if those rejections are strange.

_Hongyin_


User currently offlineLennymuir From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2002, 434 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4040 times:

Clearly Glenn: a photo I upload for 'you' to screen (on my CRT)
will look differnet on your screen.

How will I know if a screener will have a CRT who can 'see what I see' as processed,
yet another, who only uses a LCD, will easlily spot 'jaggies'?

I can view my own photographs on both CRT and LCT, I can see a difference, naturally.

So, is sceening a lottery?


User currently offlineLennymuir From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2002, 434 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4036 times:

Missed your post Hongyin, but I can post you a version on e-mail.

Gerry


User currently offlineBubbles From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1195 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4034 times:
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Gerry

If possible, you could add one image to your profile and link it back to this thread. Or, maybe you could post one or two links of your rejected shot here.

_Hongyin_


User currently offlineWalter2222 From Belgium, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 1299 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4028 times:

Quoting Bubbles (Reply 4):
So, to me, it shouldn't matter as long as the monitor isn't a low-end product.

I assume my LCD-screen was mid-range, but it failed after 3 years of usage (it is currently under investigation whether it can be repaired...), which is way too soon!

I guess it might be usefull to compare technical specs of the monitors (pixels-per-inch, contrast ratio (e.g. 700:1 - 2000:1), brightness (e.g. 300cd/m2), resolution (e.g. 1280x1024 - 1920-1200), response-time (e.g. 2ms - 8ms),...etc) that are considered adequate by their users.
Furthermore, I also think that the "performance" of a monitor is also dependant on the type of graphics/video-board used in the PC...

Best regards,

Walter



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User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5697 posts, RR: 44
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4019 times:
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To the screeners... you've all gone soft, I asked this question a couple of years ago and was almost flamed off the forum and virtually accused of casing the screeners equipment to arrange a break in & robbery!!

Walter may have a point, The CRT v LCD question is likely not as important as the LCD v LCD question.
Getting the right LCD with the correct specs and operating it at it's native resolution and correct setup is important.
A 19' LCD with a 1280/1440 H res is not going to be as effective as one with 1920 or more.

This subject is too complex for a simple forum post but there are many good websites that will explain this.

Just remember because you can get a 19"/20" or larger monitor at a good price doesn't mean you should.

Cheers

Chris



If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlineRanger703 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4016 times:

I was under the impression that ALL screeners used correctly calibrated CRT monitors! As this changed recently?

Andy


User currently offlineLennymuir From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2002, 434 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4014 times:

Andy, I thought that too... the few screeners I know use CRT's..

If LCT's are now in 'vogue', I feel left behind...

Gerry


User currently offlineDvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1744 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3985 times:
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LCDs are inherently sharper than CRTs because they have a fixed grid of pixels. CRTs are analog devices depending on wire grilles or shadowmasks to put pixels in their place. You do not have to worry about convergence errors on an LCD, for example.


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User currently offlineDiezel From Netherlands, joined Oct 2002, 646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3940 times:

I agree with the CRT vs LCD sharpeness thing. I also think that pictures on small sized but high res LCD screens (i.e. laptop screens or those small HD monitors) look sharper than on normal sized screens. It's a problem for me. As I get a lot of soft rejections lately which (I would say) look fine on my screen.

Roel.



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User currently offlineChris78cpr From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2820 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3937 times:

This thread brings up an important question of resolution.

I run on my laptop 1440x960 and on my desktops it is the same proportions but at about 1680x...

I find that when using these i have to view photos at at least 1200x800 to make accurate decisions about the image. So if a screener is running a 1920x... screen resolution how do they find viewing a 1024x683 image? This isnt a criticism i am just curious to find out if indeed you all run large resolutions or have it set at say 1200x800 for screening, etc.

Chris



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User currently offlineDerekF From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 912 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3931 times:

Here are a few of mine that have been rejected for soft only.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r.../20070815_EGCC_060707_OHLKF_01.jpg

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r.../20070815_EGCC_060707_GBVKD_01.jpg

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...g/20070816_EGVA_130707_ZH827_2.jpg

They look OK to me on my monitor. The last one has some jaggies that I can see which would make me reluctant to sharpen it any more.

Derek



Whatever.......
User currently offlineKLM772ER From Germany, joined May 2006, 615 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3926 times:

Hello Derek,

all you pictures look soft to me!
The finnair is completely soft.

The BMIbaby at the nose section, the upper fuselage and the leading edge of the vertical Stab (the Stab look a bit like you used the blur tool to cover some jaggies.. I am not saying that you did!). But the passenger windows and the titles for example are almost oversharpened. So be careful...

The same applies for the chopper.. nose is soft, while the upper part of the fuselage is almost oversharpened!

BTW I am using my notebook screen all the time for editing. 17" Widescreen LCD from ASUS and normally have no problem regarding sharpening...  bigthumbsup 

Cheers
Björn


User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3923 times:
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Quoting StealthZ (Reply 13):
The CRT v LCD question is likely not as important as the LCD v LCD question

Very true! LCD screens with TN technology are made for gaming not photo editing and will differ greatly from more expensive lCD screens.

Quoting DerekF (Reply 19):
They look OK to me on my monitor. The last one has some jaggies that I can see which would make me reluctant to sharpen it any more.

They do not look soft on my LCD nor my CRT that I use for screening (only very very slightly). In my experience it's best to oversharpen a little on LCDs in which case they usually look perfect on a CRT.

Quoting Chris78cpr (Reply 18):
I find that when using these i have to view photos at at least 1200x800 to make accurate decisions about the image. So if a screener is running a 1920x... screen resolution how do they find viewing a 1024x683 image? This isnt a criticism i am just curious to find out if indeed you all run large resolutions or have it set at say 1200x800 for screening, etc.

Chris I'm no expert on screens but LCDs run best on their native resolution. So if you have a screen made for 1920* and you set it at 1280* it's not gonna look good at all.

Quoting Ranger703 (Reply 14):
I was under the impression that ALL screeners used correctly calibrated CRT monitors! As this changed recently?

No screeners use both LCDs and CRTs.

Tim



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User currently offlineDerekF From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 912 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3918 times:

Quoting KLM772ER (Reply 20):
all you pictures look soft to me!
The finnair is completely soft.



Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 21):
They do not look soft on my LCD nor my CRT that I use for screening

What chance have I got now  Sad



Whatever.......
User currently offlineIL76 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2004, 2237 posts, RR: 48
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3912 times:

Quoting Chris78cpr (Reply 18):
So if a screener is running a 1920x... screen resolution how do they find viewing a 1024x683 image

I'm running at 2560x1600, and I can judge smaller photos pretty well. But yes, since pixels are smaller, errors (like jaggies and especially grain!) is harder to spot on this screen. It was a big transition in the beginning (from a 1024x768 screen) and I'm still need getting used to it a little bit. It's also different editing my own shots, as they look so awesome at (almost) full size, resizing them to 1024 is often a bit disappointing, losing so much detail (I just realised how decadent that sounds...    ).
So far I don't think my screening changed very much after changing screens. As most photos are screened by 2 or 3 screeners, I can see the comment the other guys leave behind and almost always I can see the same issues they bring up (colour problems, jaggies, blurriness, etc.). So when it comes to that we're all quite close together. No probs there...

Ed

Edit: grammar

[Edited 2007-08-29 10:22:30]

User currently offlineWalter2222 From Belgium, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 1299 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3891 times:

Quoting IL76 (Reply 23):
I'm running at 2560x1600

Hi Ed, that is surely a massive screen-resoltion! This started me thinking again about my earlier remark:

Quoting Walter2222 (Reply 12):
Furthermore, I also think that the "performance" of a monitor is also dependant on the type of graphics/video-board used in the PC...

I wonder if you have tried to hook up your screen to a less performing PC (i.e. with a less performing video-driver) to see what it does to the quality? I am just assuming that you also upgraded your PC when you started working with your new screen...

I think this will be valuable info for anyone who want to upgrade the screen, but at the same time sticking to an "old"-type of PC...

Best regards,

Walter



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25 IL76 : No, I couldn't. This monitor needs a video card with 2x DVI. Not every computer can handle it. I had to upgrade my video card in order for this monit
26 Post contains images Walter2222 : That's what I thought. Thanks for the feedback, Ed! PS: I just received the news that by faulty screen could not - economically - be repaired... I wi
27 Post contains images KLM772ER : Maybe I am completely wrong here, but I had a closer look to your picture and did play a little bit with it (hope this is ok to you!) and I think it
28 TimdeGroot : I would agree they look better now Tim
29 DerekF : I see what you did and I agree it is better but my point is that the pictures looked fine on my monitor, whatever the settings. I have to say I genera
30 Post contains links and images Alexandru : Hello, I don,t want to be smart but I would say that no screeners should use LCD - TN panel monitor for screening. The TN-panel has a fast respons but
31 TimdeGroot : Most screeners use a CRT and the ones I know that do use TFT have an S-PVA (as do I but I still use a CRT for screening). If you show some examples w
32 Post contains links and images Alexandru : Hello Tim, Thank you for replying. I am not mad about rejection. If all the screeners use CRT,s and S-PVA or S-IPS calibrated than this is it. It is
33 Scotland1979 : DerekF I checked your photos on my both monitors (LCD and CRT). Yours look soft with my LCD and they look perfect with my CRT. It will be debated for
34 TimdeGroot : First one has a slightly soft nose. Second one looks good as does the third one but they are a bit flat I would have to say. 'Screened' on my CRT, on
35 Chris78cpr : I run mine at their native and maximum resolution and i have also heard that this is when they perform their best. What i find hard on mine is what E
36 Post contains images Vaporlock : I'm a graphic designer and look at my monitor all day long. I have a new computer both at home and work and they have LCD monitors that are not cheap.
37 TRVYYZ : I had started a similar thread when I bought my LCD monitor. I asked about resolution optimal for an anet shot( i guess it would vary on the size of t
38 DerekF : Do you ever get "oversharpened" rejections?
39 Alexandru : Hello Tim, When referring of "flat" you ment depth of field? I am using f8 or higher. Is " flat" a rejection category for a.net? If there is somethin
40 Scotland1979 : My photos often rejected due to soft which I used CRT (perfect sharp monitor) and obviously they used LCD to screen. And other time I used LCD and to
41 TimdeGroot : By flat I mean lacking contrast, they seem a little 'washed out' Tim
42 DerekF : My experience appears to be the reverse of yours. I always edit on a TFT monitor and the rejections are for soft and if I understand correctly. This
43 Post contains images ChrisH : They must be cheap if your CRT beats them... if you're a GFX designer then im sure you've heard of Eizo, or LaCie... Get one, and live happily
44 Dvincent : This is bogus, the fixed pixel nature of an LCD combined with no flicker actually makes them easier on your eyes. What's your ambient light siutation
45 Alexandru : Hello, I am just concerned about the levele of contrast you mentioned. On my monitor they look ok for me it could be the diffrence between our monitor
46 DerekF : That is true I think. How about a process whereby a potential "soft" or "oversharpen" rejection is checked on a LCD or CRT monitor as appropriate?. D
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