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User currently offlineMbruun From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1373 times:

What kind of lense will I be needing for the start of my spotting career? I have a good camera, and I would appreciate inputs on what kind of lense I will need  Smile

What prices am I looking at ? (new/used)


Thanks in advance,


Sincerely,

Morten Bruun

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User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1198 times:

Depends what camera you own. If you have a Canon SLR i strongly suggest one of the IS series, ranging from as low as $429 upto about $2000+.

Otherwise, best look for a 300mm or there abouts, with an aperture no higher than f/6.3, although that is really pushing it..

regards

Dan


User currently offlineSonic99 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1183 times:

Choice of lens for airline photography depends on the airport spotting location and possibilities (access, perimeter) and your subjects.

For my purposes I have a Canon SLR using 50mm ƒ1.4, 28-105mm ƒ4.5-5.6, 200mm ƒ2.8, and a 1.4x teleconverter (to use with the 200mm). That's it.

You can see some examples by clicking here

Hope this helps,

Stephan


User currently offlineLindy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1164 times:

what is F2.8??? Can anybody explain this to me please?

User currently offlineSonic99 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1164 times:


The "F" (or "ƒ") refers to the aperture of a lens.

The smaller the "F" number, the larger the aperture, meaning more light can be captured by the lens in low-light situations. In some cases the "F" number on a lens has a range (such as 4.5-5.6). This applies to "zoom" lenses that offer a range of focal length (example: 28-105mm). In this exmple the largest F-stop at 28mm is F4.5, while at the long end (105mm) the F-stop can only be F5.6 ... Some "zoom" lenses (such as a 70-200mm) may have a fixed "F" number, meaning that the maximum aperture remains the same throughout the focal length (i.e, the aperture can be F2.8 at 70mm as well as 200mm). Fixed focal length lenses, such as 100mm, 200mm, 300mm all have a fixed aperture.

Larger aperture allows you to use slower films (example: 800 ISO=very fast film, 400 ISO=fast film, 100 ISO=slow film, 50 ISO=very slow film).

The advantage of having a large aperture lens means you can use slower film. A slower film will produce less grain and gives a sharper image.

Stephan


User currently offlineMbruun From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1153 times:

Great replies.. Thanks alot  Smile

Now all I haveto do is buy the darn thingy  Smile


Thanks again..


Morten Bruun


User currently offlineMbruun From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1140 times:

How are these lenses ?

Nikkor 70-300 mm F:4.0-5.6 ED

Tamron 100-300 mm F:5.0-6.3 (Nikon)


What's the difference, and which one should I buy ? Should I buy any of them at all ?



Appreciate it  Smile


Thanks in advance,


Morten Bruun


User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1118 times:

First mistake you've made is buying a Nikon camera !! You should have bought a Canon camera.........far superior......

I'M KIDDING !!!!

Both systems are great, I just have a Canon system and both Nikon and Canon users have a running joke about which camera is better............Canon is the better brand of course !! ha ha !!

Anyway, my personal opinion is to buy ONLY Nikon lenses for your camera. Do NOT buy "after-market" lenses, especially a Tamron. I bought a Tamron 200-400mm lense and I hated it. Sold it one week later.........I only buy Canon lenses now. I know some people on this board, including some very good photographers and some very good friends of mine, have "after-market" lenses, such as Tokina and Sigma..........they get very good results out of them, I just don't think it is a good idea..........Nikon "knows" that camera body you are using, inside and out, while the other manufacturers "learn" the features of that camera...........

It is a personal choice and I know the after-market lenses are less inexpensive, but you get what you pay for.......

This is my opinion...........


I have a Canon 70-200 f.28, a 28-70 2.8, along with a 2x converter. My next purchase will be a 1x converter. I just recently purchased a Canon EOS 1VHS and it rocks !! Very expensive, but worth every penny in my opinion.

Jay Davis


User currently offlineDSMav8r From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1118 times:

I disagree about the 3rd party lens issue... The majority of my lenses are Nikkor, but I also own a few 3rd party lenses made by Tokina and Sigma. One of my favorite lenses is the Tokina 28-70mm 2.6-2.8. This lens has produced better results than the Nikkor equivilent that I owned previously, at a much lower price. This lens is a killer ramp lens, almost as sharp as a 50mm 1.4.

I also previously owned a Sigma 70-200mm 2.8 before I got a Nikkor 80-200mm 2.8, the difference in quality between the two really wasn't worth the price difference. But, the faster AF on the Nikkor was enough for me to switch, but optically they are about equal.

As far as optical quality, I think the 3rd party guys have caught up with Nikon and Canon, for the most part. The big difference between them is usually build quality. A lot of 3rd party lenses have a more fragile build compared to Nikon and Canon, which keeps costs down. So, as long as you aren't taking your lenses into battle, a 3rd party lens is a good alternative for those who cannot afford a $1200 Nikkor 28-70 or a $1000 80-200 2.8.

Aric Thalman
Omaha, USA



To most people, the sky is the limit. To those who love aviation, the sky is home
User currently offlineAirNikon From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 290 posts, RR: 36
Reply 9, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1116 times:

One of the biggest mistakes I ever made was buying the Sigma 70-210 AF 2.8 (like $700 at the time). I was attracted to the speed, but unfortunately the lens and camera (N90s back then) didn't 'talk' to eachother well and I was frustrated by lock-ups and refusal to focus in the AF mode.

Later I did bite the bone and opted for the Nikkor 80-200 f/2.8 and it is a champ.

That's all academic now, because the Nikkor 80-400VR is my primary long lens, albeit not a 100% replacement for the Nikkor 80-200 2.8.

What happened to the Sigma? I sold it to a dude at work, and he likes it! Oh well, all he shoots is sunsets and his kid's soccer games...



Don't get married, don't have kids, and you will have more money than you know what to do with...
User currently offlineDSMav8r From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1108 times:

AirNikon,

How is the 80-400mm holding up for you? I have used mine 5 or 6 times on shoots, so far the results have been amazing. It hasn't replaced my 80-200, but it is sure nice not having to haul around a monopod all of the time!  Smile

Aric Thalman
Omaha, USA



To most people, the sky is the limit. To those who love aviation, the sky is home
User currently offlineAirNikon From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 290 posts, RR: 36
Reply 11, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1113 times:

Aric, it is one tuff lens and mine already has scars from shooting through barbed wire. You gotta deal with the diminished AF speed though, when panning. You have one, AND YOU GOTTA LOVE IT!!!


Don't get married, don't have kids, and you will have more money than you know what to do with...
User currently offlineChrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2072 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1106 times:

I got mine in June, and I've had it in the bag on the last two shoots. I haven't used "the intimidator" much in the last few weeks, but it'll see plenty of action when things return to normal. It will never replace my 80-200, but it sure is nice. The enlargments I've gotten back are just superb, especially up at the long end, they are just razor sharp.

I haven't had the AF decrease much...Just keep the limit near infinity...


User currently offlineMbruun From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1099 times:

... check out this link, and then tell me which lense to buy..

http://www.japanphoto.no/asp/Main.asp?node=13

The thing to think about is, the more zeroes on the price (pris), the more expensive it is.. I have two kids and a wife and haven't too much money to spend on the lense. Even tho I would like to buy the most expensive lense, I just can't afford it.

So... of the two I picked out earlier, which one should I pick ?

(Nikkor 70-300 mm F:4.0-5.6 ED

Tamron 100-300 mm F:5.0-6.3 (Nikon) )

What are the benefits of each of them, and would they be good enough for me, who's a real amateur, and just _starting_ my spotting career... I can always buy a more expensive lense when I get ahold of more spendolas, but I'm anxious to start my "career" ASAP  Smile

Btw, nice to see many replies to my query... thank you very much  Smile


Regards,

Morten Bruun


User currently offlineMbruun From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1095 times:

Another thing... That I forgot to mention.. I'm absolutely new with cameras, lenses and photogear.. I wouldn't understand the difference between this and that lense, and I wouldn't like to be $crewed by the photoshop guy who's selling me a lense..


Thanks  Smile


-Morten-


User currently offlineDa fwog From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 867 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1084 times:

Man, I gotta get myself one of those 1x converters! You see - that's the problem with buying 3rd party. My otherwise excellent Sigma gear (70-200 F2.8EX HSM) doesn't support a 1x converter.  Nuts

Some of what you say about 3rd party lenses is reasonable, and some isn't. Your problem comes from the fact that the Tamron 200-400 you bought is a real STINKER of a lens for quality. While I would agree that in general Nikon & Canon make better lenses for their cameras than Sigma, Tamron or Tokina, for those of us living in the real world, price differences play a big part in decision-making. Like the fact that my Sigma 70-200 F2.8 EX HSM is ALMOST as good as Canon's 70-200 F2.8 L USM, still offers silent focusing, but cost me UK£500 instead of UK£1200. For the marginal difference in quality, I couldn't possibly justify spending more than double! The trick is to do your homework on the quality of lenses before you part with your money. There are now plenty of reviews of photographic gear online, as well as discussion forums where you can find other people who already own the kit you are considering.

Morten,

there is little to choose in image quality between the two lenses you are considering - the Tamron is better at the short end, while the Nikon is slightly better at the long end. It's really marginal though - if I was buying I would probably go with the Nikon, purely because of the extra 30mm you have to play with at the short end of the lens.


User currently offlineMbruun From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1067 times:

Really appreciate it, Da fwog.. Thanks a bunch  Smile



Morten


User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11951 posts, RR: 47
Reply 17, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1071 times:

I have a 25mm, 50mm and a 100mm lense. I could do with a 200-500mm lense I think.  Smile

Thom@s



"If guns don't kill people, people kill people - does that mean toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast?"
User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1069 times:

3rd party lenses CAN be as good as Nikkors (and certainly better than Canon  Innocent ), but don't expect a $100 Tamron to hold up for long against a $1000 Nikkor.
In general, the best lens of a brand like Tamron or Cosina will be about as good as the 2nd line lenses of Nikkor (and will cost quite a bit less).
I'm getting nice results with my Cosina 100-400, but would love something better. Problem is that that something better will cost me $1000+ and I don't have that kind of money. It is better to have a somewhat lesser lens than no lens at all...



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineBernieh From Austria, joined Sep 2001, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1063 times:

I have a 50mm/1.4D, an 28-80mm/3.5-5.6D and a 80-200mm/2.8 lens. And I'd like to have a 2x converter and a 300mm/2.8D lens.

Bernd


User currently offlineMbruun From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1023 times:

Okay... I bought the Nikkor 70-300mm G lense. I know I should have bought the ED lense, but they were sold out, and this one was $250 cheaper. (I still have 3 weeks of full return rights).. I actually think I'm going to exchange the G for the ED lense..

What do you guys think ??


Thanks,


Morten


User currently offlineMbruun From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1029 times:

Took my first pictures today in HEAVY fog at Gardermoen (OSL(Oslo)) Some Braathens machines, SAS, An AirFrance and a KLM.. MD-80's and 737's.. I'll get them scanned and post them somewhere for you to give me HUGE amounts of tips.. I reckon I'll need it bigtime...  Smile



Morten


User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 730 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1021 times:

I think if you can, get rid of the G lens - the build and optical quality are comparatively poor. I'm sure Nikon has built ( or has had someone else build) these G lenses to a price point, so they can be offered in special package deals. Though I'm a Canon man myself, I've recently been shopping for Nikons for a friend and was astonished at the variation in quality.

Cheers,

Colin



Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlineMbruun From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1019 times:

I payed about $170 for the G-lens, and as I said, I have full return rights for the lens for three weeks. So, basically, I could ask them to take in the ED-lens and exchange it for that instead.. Only thing.. It has a pricetag of $420 ...

Should I still change it ? Is it worth it ?


Morten


User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1015 times:

Only you can decide. If you are content with the quality (and/or limitations) of the lens spending more is pointless (right now).
Until you run into the limitations of your lens (rather than your own) having a better lens won't make a lot of difference in the quality of your pictures. I do not know how far along towards that point you are.
Also, if you cannot afford the extra money, it is better to have this lens than none at all. If you then do get the money later on, you can always keep it as a spare.



I wish I were flying
25 Post contains images Thom@s : "Took my first pictures today in HEAVY fog at Gardermoen." Fog at Gardermoen? I never thought I'd live to see the day. Thom@s
26 Post contains images Mbruun : "Fog at Gardermoen? I never thought I'd live to see the day " One thing for you: :P Anyways.. I have my contacts in the control tower @ Gardermoen (OS
27 Post contains images Thom@s : Hehe, det var ikke vondt ment. Gardermoen is nice actually. Thom@s
28 Post contains images Mbruun : Skjønte det Yeah, Gardermoen is allright, once you hit it on a sunny day... Any ideas of nice spots there, Thom@s ? Morten
29 Post contains images Thom@s : Hmmm, depends. Through the windows as you walk along to the flight you are on makes a good view of the parked aircrafts outside. But normally I get a
30 Ericp : Getting back on-thread ... Morten, don't suffer buyer's remorse. You bought the lens at the price point that you're comfortable with, and you should l
31 Post contains images Mbruun : Thanks for great replies, guys Thom@s .. my mother-in-law has a cousin that works at airport security on OSL .. I'm going to check things out, and see
32 Post contains images Thom@s : Good luck Morten, hope you get some pics if you get a chance. Thom@s
33 Post contains images Mbruun : Just haveto tell you guys... Got my Nikkor 70-300mm F:4.0-5.6 ED lens today, and allthough I haven't gotten to test it yet, just having it in the palm
34 Vaman : I'm glad you did not stick with the G. You will be soooo happy with the ED. I have it and it is a wonderful lens for the price and offers a grea amoun
35 Post contains images Ericp : Good for you, Morten ! It's a very nice lens, and the first thing you should do is to try it out in different conditions with your favorite film, so t
36 Mbruun : Okay.. So, what type of film *should* I use for best quality on my pictures ? Morten
37 Staffan : Sensia 100 seems to be the most popular one, K64 is the favourite if you ask some. I usually use the Sensia 100. Staffan
38 Post contains images Mbruun : Okay.. how's that compared to the Fujitsu Superia ? Errm.. Should I use the Fujitsu Superia at all ? I don't know $h*t about films either.. hehe I'm T
39 Staffan : I think you mean Fuji Superia. That's a print film, but I prefer slides, and Sensia is the cheaper fuji slide film. I pay about 5$ for it and about th
40 Post contains images Mbruun : Great staffan.. Thanks Morten
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