AKE0404AR From United States of America, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 2535 posts, RR: 43 Posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5478 times:
It has been mentioned quite a few times, but I thought I bring it up again.......
Dear Mr. Garcia,
As we already got many positive anwers from other people shooting
airplanes and ready to let use their nice photographs from airliners.net
for free - but with their appropriate reference of course - we don't
need to do any business with you. Anyway, thank you for your interest
and your time.
.......... you don't get your groceries for free at your local grocery store, just because you spread the word and tell your friends how great it is to go shopping there.
Well, not from me as I don't give my pictures away for free (private use is another case of course). It is always the same: My camera, my lenses and the gas I burned driving to the airport weren't for free either, in what world do these people live?? I experienced it myself several times, people asking for free images... And when I told them that they have to pay I never heard back anything from them.
But everybody has to make his own decision, if somebody wants to give his pictures away for free, fine.
Acontador From Chile, joined Jul 2005, 1425 posts, RR: 29
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5411 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW PHOTO SCREENER
Same here !
Either they just use them without your consent, or they find plenty of people willing to give them for free.
What I found most amazing was the fact that I was contact by one the mayor jet engine producers for the use of one particular picture, but when I asked for a compensation they replied that a usually they would get them for free but if I insisted I would get a pen and a sticker!!!! Needless to say that eventually they went for the free ones...
Just sit back, relax and have a glass of Merlot...enjoy your life!
LHRSIMON From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2002, 1343 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5397 times:
100% agree.. This is the main reason why i have moved more and more away from aviation photography and into sport photography. I cannot think of any other subject matter where hundreds of photographers are willing to pay thousands for pro gear to then only give the photo's away for free....
Canon 1D Mk III,Canon 20D+17-40 L f4.0,70-200 L IS USM f2.8,400 L USM f5.6,135 mm L f2.0, 50 mm f1.8,1.4 x II extender
Unfortunately some people think that a photo credit is payment. This is exactly the reason I'm getting out of wedding photography - there are too many hobbyists out there that will give away a wedding shoot for a couple hundred bucks just to buy a new lens. They don't seem to get that every time they give it away, they take meals off a pro's kitchen table.
Glad someone here can say it. I have gotten 2 requests in the last month from Asiana and China Airlines and once they hear they have to shell out some of that money they make they never email back. I mean who are they to use someone's work for nothing? Do they carry cargo and not charge their customers? They are enabled by the fact that many here give it a way, and please don't give ,me this "do it for the hobby" stuff.
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11869 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5330 times:
You can't MAKE someone charge for their photos. Plain and simple.
Besides, what is the value of a photo? If it's rare, it probably has a lot of value. If it is artistic and unique, it has a lot of value. But don't expect to get payment for a side-on shot - there are just too many alternative photos out there that even via free market, with everyone charging, you would still only get pennies. Or am I wrong?
Send me a PM at http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/sendmessage.main?from_username=NULL
Prat From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 229 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5324 times:
Quoting D L X (Reply 8): Take pride in what you do....charge for a usage!
Damn rights. I agree with you 100%. If someone else wants to give their photos away for free that's fine, that's their right. But I won't. Everyone's always looking for something for nothing, and that will never change, but atleast make it more of a hassle for them! That said, I've still managed to make some decent photo sales and I've gained some very respectable contacts at companies which were more than happy to pay a nominal fee for a high quality photo. Some of which have even come back looking for more!
Face it, digital photography and the Internet have inflated the value of most photographs. If you're not an especially gifted or lucky photographer, yes, you're competing against 15-year-olds who take great pride in seeing their photo used for free, and who are you to tell them they shouldn't do that?
Personally, I certainly do charge for any remotely serious commercial usage of my photos. But - I don't know about yours - most requests I get are from amateur writers etc. who are devoting their free time to marginal, if not downright unprofitable projects. I have been on the other side of that and if I like them I'll sometimes let them use a photo for free, and again, nobody can tell me not to do that.
The only difference between me and a madman is that I am not mad (Salvador Dali)
I remember the first time someone contacted me about using my photo (must have been around 1999). I was so psyched and if I remember well, I gave it out for a couple of bucks.......I had no idea, but you live and learn!
Ever heard about Don Quichotte?
With all due respect Vasco, but the battle you're trying to fight here can't be won.
There are already millions of aviation photos on the net and thousands are being added daily, so if someone wants a photo for free he/she will get it.
If you want to sell photos, then make them special and irreplaceable so that possible customers will want YOUR photo and not just ANY photo.
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11869 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5241 times:
Quoting AKE0404AR (Reply 11): The photo in question is not rare but an unusual photo which I have sold quite a few times in the past to various clients...and it did pay my trip to Dubai and a couple of other things besides that.
I remember the first time someone contacted me about using my photo (must have been around 1999).
Well, Vasco, I think that photo IS very special, and I'm curious as to what photo those guys were able to get for free so as to not bother working with you. I don't mean to say that someone shouldn't charge for their photos, just that you can't make someone charge for them. That photo of yours is valuable. But many people see the price of a Cadillac and then make the choice to get a used Dodge instead.
Quoting ThierryD (Reply 12): If you want to sell photos, then make them special and irreplaceable so that possible customers will want YOUR photo and not just ANY photo.
I agree. The photos that I've sold all had something unusual about them, or something that ties the photo to the buyer.
Relic From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5169 times:
Now i think i am going to annoy alot of people here,but only last week i was approached on behalf of a very large airline regarding a book publication asking to use one of my photos.The proceeds of this book will be going to charity.Im not sure how much,but im not worried about that,its for charity.I was asked if i would be willing to give my photo for free,which i agreed providing i was acknowledged as the author of this photo in the publication.This was agreed.
Any other time i would have charged,but to me this is a maybe a one off chance to have something i have shot in a worldwide publication.I am still quite new to serious aircraft photography,and my 50 odd pics wont set the world alight judging by some of the superb pics that i see on Anet everyday.
Skidmarks From UK - England, joined Dec 2004, 7121 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5160 times:
Each to their own. I've had flights and other stuff from airlines which I consider to be far more useful than actual cash for pictures. I'm not a professional, nor am I 13 with a cheap Digital camera, but my gear was bought because it's my hobby and not with a view that I must make money from the hobby in order to finance it.
I'd rather someone gave me credit in a picture and didn't pay than demand recompense and never see my pictures used. I've had plenty of business from doing this and I am comfortable with it. I have to say that people who think they should charge for every picture request are maybe in the wrong environment. This site, and others like it, are primarily hobbyist sites, despite the many obviously professional and semi-professional people also using them.
As I said, it's each to their own and if people want to make a profit from every picture thats fine. But please do not denigrate those of us who do it for a hobby and who are pleased to simply have exposure rather than mega-bucks.
Irish251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 1021 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5157 times:
Quoting Relic (Reply 20): Now i think i am going to annoy alot of people here,but only last week i was approached on behalf of a very large airline regarding a book publication asking to use one of my photos.The proceeds of this book will be going to charity.Im not sure how much,but im not worried about that,its for charity.I was asked if i would be willing to give my photo for free,which i agreed providing i was acknowledged as the author of this photo in the publication.This was agreed.
Any other time i would have charged,but to me this is a maybe a one off chance to have something i have shot in a worldwide publication.
I too was approached by what may be the same author for permission to use a historic shot, i.e. one that was taken 20 or so years ago (so that rules out the kids with digital cameras!). The author's royalties will go to charity but I'm not sure that that makes the whole enterprise a non-profit one, as a major aviation publisher is involved and I doubt they operate as a charity.
I'm going to seek more information before deciding, as I always make a distinction between hobby-type endeavours which are a labour of love, and commercial undertakings. It is not a question of money as far as I am concerned but I have always been of the view that since commercial organisations are in business and charge for their products or services, they should be prepared to pay for something which has a value to them, be it the work of a professional or an amateur photographer.
Scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 13658 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5142 times:
Quoting CalgaryBill (Reply 5): This is exactly the reason I'm getting out of wedding photography - there are too many hobbyists out there that will give away a wedding shoot for a couple hundred bucks just to buy a new lens. They don't seem to get that every time they give it away, they take meals off a pro's kitchen table.
They would seem to be financing their hobby, and they may even buy food with the couple of hundred bucks.
I'm afraid I don't have much sympathy. I can't see it as anything other than supply and demand. These days it's a lot easier for almost anyone to produce reasonable shots, so Mr & Mrs Notveryrich are going to go with the cheapest option for their wedding photos. What are they going to get from the pro for 5-10 times the cost?
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana!
Don't be afraid and I don't need any. Like I said, I'm out of it - one wedding left in November and I'm done. My gear will still get put to use in other photography genres that I love such as aviation and wildlife.
Quoting Scbriml (Reply 23): What are they going to get from the pro for 5-10 times the cost?
Experience? Consistency? Backup? I'll PM a longer answer to you since this is an aviation forum...
Accidentally From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 645 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5066 times:
I'm too damn scared to even get that far in my photography "career". I sold my D30 a couple years back, and just the other day bought a 40D...I'm just not looking forward to the hassles of photographing at my new home here airport KIND, so I havent been out yet. I need to meet up with some local spotters - but I guess this all really belongs in another thread.
Scottieprecord From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1363 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5050 times:
The way I see it: if you charge and they say no, you've gained nothing, but you've also lost nothing; you give away your work for free, you've lost a photograph, and you've gained nothing. You really have nothing to lose by doing so.
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