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User currently offlineAirlineimages From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1891 times:
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Hi All

I hope you can give me some advice.
I have just had two pictures rejected and I can't see why.

We have had to reject the following photos:
The image quality of these photo(s) does not meet the very high standards of Airliners.Net. This does not mean that it is a bad photo, but it does mean that we think it has certain (possibly minor) flaws.
It may be possible to correct this problem, but this depends on many factors. If you want to read more about this problem, and about possible ways to correct it and hopefully attempt a re-upload, please go to

http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/...ain?filename=20071027_PIAAPBHX.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/...?filename=20071027_VirginGVLIP.jpg

Usually there is a reason, but this time there is only a mention of poor quality. It would be helpful if the person judging the pictures could be a little more specific.

If anybody could give me any direction on what is wrong with my pictures it would be much appreciated.

Kind regards
Peter Hulse

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User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1863 times:

Hi Peter,

Both images, but especially #1, show pixelation, which can be the result of many things. A few things might have caused it:

- Digital Zoom on your camera. What type of camera do you have?
- Editing. When cropping, did you crop a lot of the picture out? If so, that may have caused the pixelation.

Sorry that the screeners weren't more clear, but if you compare the quality of your pictures with recently accepted pictures, you can see the difference.

Hope this helps!  Smile



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User currently offlineJid From Barbados, joined Dec 2004, 972 posts, RR: 31
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1857 times:

Well Peter, a bit hard for me to see as I'm on my laptop but they both look a little over exposed and are very lacking in contrast.

Good luck .. Jid



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User currently offlineAirlineimages From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1847 times:
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I am using a Nikon D200

Software used is Nikon NX for levels and then Photoshop CS3 for cropping. I have only down sized the images and I tend to downsize in several steps as I believe this stops jagged edges on diagonals. Could this be what is causing the pix elation

Again any information is much appreciated

Kind regards
Peter Hulse


User currently offlinePsych From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 3048 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1824 times:
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Hello Peter.

It is always rather difficult to put into words the different elements that can come together to create a 'Quality' rejection. Although it is easy to sympathise with the photographer frustrated at not getting more detailed information from the screeners, I can also well understand that to actually give a proper response that would help the person can be quite a time-consuming prospect. I shall focus on the PIA image and try, with reference to a somewhat similar image from my own portfolio (though please bear in mind I am not suggesting my shot is A1, but the angles/setting etc are comparable):

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Photo © Paul Markman


If you compare the images (difficult in some respects due to differences in lighting etc) there are a number of issues coming together:

* I feel the colour representation in your shot is slightly out - e.g. the rear part of the PIA colour scheme should look a sandy colour. Your image looks slightly 'washed out'.

* The previously mentioned pixellation is more apparent in yours. My image is somewhat 'smoother'.

* There are contrast issues - take a look at the underside of yours, which is rather too bright I think.

* I feel the sharpening in yours is just not looking right - for example, the lettering at the front of the aircraft. I also tend to look in certain areas - wing root, cabin windows etc. I feel there is some softness there for you.

* Your image may be in need of slight CCW rotation - all the verticals (though small) lean slightly to the right.

This is my initial impression and I guess the screener may have lumped all these issues together. I reckon these are primarily editing issues and would be interested to see how the original looks. If you would like me to have a look at the original, do an edit and take you through what I have done feel free to contact me via my profile. My hunch is that by different use of a few tools in PS - primarily to do with levels/contrast/colour and sharpening/erasing it would look significantly different.

I hope the above is of some help.

All the best.

Paul

P.S. I forgot to mention - I never downsize in steps. I have had a look at this, but never been persuaded that it makes any difference. It is possible in PS to set a crop tool to crop and resize at the same time, and that is what I do. This never creates a problem with this 'grainy' effect - I assume you had the camera set to take the original at maximum quality/size? That will make a huge difference.

[Edited 2007-10-28 13:47:52]

User currently offlineDerstatic From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1789 times:

I also have some rejections I would like some advice on. First is rejected for quality and dark.

http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/...name=20071028_Agh071018_JB_038.jpg

I personally don't see any particular problems with this shot. Well, maybe a little soft around the tail, but not dark. It's lit from the front and I know I had to level it very carefully not to get overexposure around the nose.

Second one is rejected for dark, quality and distance. Well, it's dark since it was shot in twilight, nothing else to expect and that was the whole point of the shot, to make it look twilight which it does. Planes don't only fly in bright noon sunshine. Distance, yes I could have zoomed it or cropped it tighter around the plane, but again, the point of the shot was to make something different, a touch of artistic freedom, I felt inspired by the scenery. You know put the thing in perspective, some bushes, a farm, an MD decending over the fields to a rural airport.

http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/...name=20071028_Agh071018_JB_017.jpg


User currently offlineFUAirliner From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 538 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1777 times:

Hi Joakim,

Quoting Derstatic (Reply 5):
I also have some rejections I would like some advice on. First is rejected for quality and dark.

http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/...name=20071028_Agh071018_JB_038.jpg

I personally don't see any particular problems with this shot. Well, maybe a little soft around the tail, but not dark. It's lit from the front and I know I had to level it very carefully not to get overexposure around the nose.

the plane is backlit, the whole side of the fuselage is in the shadow and the nose is overexposed with no details visible at all. Additionally the tail is seriously blurry/out of focus. I don't want to discourage you here, but the overall lighting and the blurry tail kill this shot. IMO there is no chance to get this to an acceptable standard.

Quoting Derstatic (Reply 5):
Second one is rejected for dark, quality and distance. Well, it's dark since it was shot in twilight, nothing else to expect and that was the whole point of the shot, to make it look twilight which it does. Planes don't only fly in bright noon sunshine. Distance, yes I could have zoomed it or cropped it tighter around the plane, but again, the point of the shot was to make something different, a touch of artistic freedom, I felt inspired by the scenery. You know put the thing in perspective, some bushes, a farm, an MD decending over the fields to a rural airport.

http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/...7.jpg

The lighting is the problem here again - the plane is totally backlit. This also causes quality issues like the blown highlights in the cloud formations. I agree with you that the background kind of adds to the motive, but this is not the kind of shots Airliners.net is looking for. This kind of composition is generally rejected.


Frank



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