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LAX Imperial Hill Tips For A Newbie  
User currently offlineGrockpilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 17 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3913 times:

Hi,
I was wondering, do any of you guys at Imperial Hill use tripods or monopods? I've been out there just a few times just doing it handheld. My photos tend to come out very soft. I know my lens, Sigma 70-300mm f4-5.6 DG APO, gets soft near 300mm, but would a tripod help? Also, I've been reading a lot about IS (I've been eyeing the Canon 70-300mm IS though I highly doubt I'd make such a purchase until I get better at the basics). However, does IS really make a difference? I guess in general my pics come out soft. I'm pretty sure I'm a big factor as to why my pictures aren't that great..haha...still much to learn. I'm reading through "Understanding Exposure" by Bryan Peterson to help me get the basics down, but I know real-world trial and error is the best way to learn...for me at least.

Any feedback is greatly appreciated. Yes, even the harsh ones.

Thanks,
Ray

[Edited 2007-12-03 22:18:28]

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User currently offlineJid From Barbados, joined Dec 2004, 972 posts, RR: 31
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3889 times:

Ray I started off using a mono pod with my 35-350mm (none IS) both with it resting on the ground and not. You will find the extra weight will give you more stability. You might look like a bit of a twonk with it dangling there but it does help. It then just all comes down to technique and the more practice you get the better you will get. If you can master a none IS lens then the need to spend extra money on a lens with IS goes away. Of course IS does come into its own in poor conditions or when you want to do some slow speed panning.

Jid



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User currently offlineViv From Ireland, joined May 2005, 3142 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3872 times:

A tripod will not reduce lens softness, although it will help with camera shake.

IS IS a great help - especially when shooting props - the slower shutter speed made possible by IS means that the props are nicely blurred.



Nikon D700, Nikkor 80-400, Fuji X Pro 1, Fujinon 35 f/1.4, Fujinon 18 f/2
User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 64
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3858 times:
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Ray

I had the pleasure of photographing from Imperial Hill at the end of October and did not see the need for a tripod.

Photographing with the Canon 100-400 and sure I had the IS switched off all of the time.

Regards

Gary


User currently offlineScottieprecord From United States of America, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 1363 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3855 times:



Quoting Grockpilot (Thread starter):
I'm reading through "Understanding Exposure" by Bryan Peterson to help me get the basics down

I absolutely loved the book - helped me out a great deal!

As long as your shudder speed is high enough, which it should be in good conditions, camera-shake won't be a problem. At that point any softness in your shots is most likely either the fault of the lens optics or the auto focus.

- Mike


User currently offlineJid From Barbados, joined Dec 2004, 972 posts, RR: 31
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3849 times:



Quoting Scottieprecord (Reply 4):
As long as your shudder speed is high enough, which it should be in good conditions, camera-shake won't be a problem.

Sorry Mike, best typo I have seen in ages !!!! Big grin



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User currently offlineGrockpilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3798 times:

Now should I not pan with the plane as I take shots and just place it ahead and take a shot as the plane passes? I really have no technique...I don't know what are good habits/bad habits.

Also, how often do you guys go out there?


User currently offlineWakeTurbulence From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3784 times:

I think most here try to keep the aircraft in the viewfinder for as long as possible. You will get better shots and more opportunities to shoot a quality series. For every aircraft that departs 25L or 25R I will shoot about 6-8 shots to get rotation, side on, and climb out just to give me better odds of 1) a good quality shot and 2) maybe something interesting in the frame.

I am at Imperial in the winter about 2 times a month.
-Matt



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User currently offlineDerstatic From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 16 hours ago) and read 3737 times:

I have the same type of lens and I can only say that while it's quite cheap and decently sharp I've never managed to produce a good image at close to 300mm and I've been using it for about 1½ years now. Imo it works best below 250 and you might stretch that even down to 220.

User currently offlineGrockpilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 5 hours ago) and read 3708 times:

Hey all,
Thanks for the advice and input. I hope to get out there this Saturday or Sunday.

-Ray


User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 2 hours ago) and read 3678 times:



Quoting Grockpilot (Reply 9):
Thanks for the advice and input. I hope to get out there this Saturday or Sunday.

Good luck,

Its supposed to rain 2-3 inches Thurs-Sunday.  cloudnine 


User currently offlineScottieprecord From United States of America, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 1363 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3657 times:



Quoting Jid (Reply 5):


Quoting Scottieprecord (Reply 4):
As long as your shudder speed is high enough, which it should be in good conditions, camera-shake won't be a problem.

Sorry Mike, best typo I have seen in ages !!!! Big grin

lmao.. wow, yea umm... I meant like the shudder speed of your body to counteract any shaking of the camera by your arms. Mmhm. That's exactly what I meant. lol To my credit, I wrote that about 6 AM after stayin up the whole night. =)

-Mike


User currently offlineGrockpilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3562 times:

Well I got to go to LAX today. Thankfully the skies opened up and the rain stopped. Nice and chilly today. Looks like 25R was reopened (course I haven't been out there since October...haha). I'm not too happy with my shots, but there's definitely some improvement so I'm glad...I'm learning. Got to see a Saudi Arabia Royal Flight MD-11 taxi in and a Nippon Cargo 747-400F.

Thanks again...this newbie doesn't feel as dumb now. i just hope i'm not developing any bad habits

[Edited 2007-12-08 20:39:15]

User currently offlineGOCAPS16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4338 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3532 times:



Quoting Grockpilot (Reply 14):
I'm not too happy with my shots, but there's definitely some improvement so I'm glad...I'm learning.

That's the attitude. When I head to my local airport, personally, I don't care if my shots are crappy or whatnot since I could always come back the following weekend and maybe have better luck. You still have tons of opportunity in L.A, but don't focus just LAX. You still have SNA, LGB, ONT, and many other airfields that are great for photography.


User currently offlineScottieprecord From United States of America, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 1363 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3523 times:



Quoting Grockpilot (Reply 14):
Got to see a Saudi Arabia Royal Flight MD-11 taxi in

Ahh I absolutely love the Saudi Royal MD-11(s).. not sure if they have more than one. SAT Sakhalin Airlines (Russian Federation)">HZ-HM7 was at SAT getting a new interior/fresh paint for over a year (legal problems, apparently), and the girl was absolutely gorgeous when she left. I'd love to see one of those again!


User currently offlineGrockpilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3500 times:



Quoting Scottieprecord (Reply 16):
Ahh I absolutely love the Saudi Royal MD-11(s).. not sure if they have more than one. SAT Sakhalin Airlines (Russian Federation)">SAT Sakhalin Airlines (Russian Federation)">HZ-HM7 was at SAT getting a new interior/fresh paint for over a year (legal problems, apparently), and the girl was absolutely gorgeous when she left. I'd love to see one of those again!

Hey Mike,
Yup that was it, SAT Sakhalin Airlines (Russian Federation)">HZ-HM7. Yeah, it was a pleasant surprise.

- Ray


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