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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9891 posts, RR: 15
Posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2582 times:

Hi,

I was just looking around on the forum for information on aircraft photography at JFK and came across the NUCAviation website. The information on the locations is great but I noticed all locations require a 400 mm lense which I don't have. I have the Canon EF75-300mm 1:4-5.6 III USM lense which seems useless for the JFK photography at the locations mentioned on the NYCAviation website. Can a 300mm lense give you good results at JFK? I would love to have those famous bank shots taken at JFK. Are there any other locations where a 300mm lense is good enough? If I go I will also go by public transportation, how is that in the JFK area? Is the area safe enough to walk around with camera equipment?

Regards,

A388

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User currently offlineSluger020889 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 456 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2582 times:



Quoting A388 (Thread starter):
Can a 300mm lense give you good results at JFK

Sure it can.

Quoting A388 (Thread starter):
I would love to have those famous bank shots taken at JFK.

You just can't get those with a 300.

There are good locations where a 75-300 would be plenty, you would just have to get with NYCAviation crew to see where those spot are as I don't exactly know.

Joey



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User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3308 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2575 times:
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Hi there.

There are, as said above, many good spots at JFK where you don't need anything more than 300mm. One is the Boston Market parking lot (Location C on the NYCAviation map) and another is the Mounds (Location B).

This time of year, the best location is Location D very early in the morning, or Location C in the afternoon.

TIS



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9891 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2563 times:

Thanks for the tips so far. I am glad to hear a 300mm lense is good enough. Location C (Boston Market parking lot) seems to be the preferred location for a 300mm lense? According to the NYCAvation website this location is not a public location, so will I be sent away when they see me, even if I buy food/beverages at their stores? I prefer a location where I will not be send away as I am not familiar with NYC being a tourist. What would the costs be approximately with public transportation? It is not sure if I will go but I will keep the doors open so to speak.

A388

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User currently offlineMoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2342 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2546 times:

Our favored spot for 31R arrivals is right across the street from Boston Market, in the "Firestone" shopping center - the Firestone auto repair place is closed, but we still call it that. There are several stores in the shopping center, but we park at the far side of the lot away from most of their traffic. Never had a problem shooting there - occasionally the police will stop by and check us out, but they are used to us there by now. As always, have your ID handy if asked. I shoot with the Canon 100-400 from there, with no problem, and you will be well within your range.

For 31L departure shots, you may be at the far end of the reach on your lens. You should be able to get good shots of 747s and A340s, but smaller aircraft may be a reach.

This was shot at 260mm:

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As far as public transportation, the NYCA page has some details, and I think you can buy an "all-day" MetroCard for the bus and subway for a reasonable price. Feel free to PM me if you have any other questions.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9891 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2538 times:

Hi Moose135,

Thank you for your tips as well. If my plans are confirmed I will send you a PM. If it goes ahead I will be dependant on public transportation so hopefully I will find my way to the Boston Market. Is it easy to identify from a distance? Was that CX A346 picture taken with your 400mm lense? If so that might explain why the quality of the picture is still good but maybe with a 300mm lense the quality will decrease as you are reaching the max range of the lense. Even so, nice photos you have there. You can check out my pictures too in the database. Just search on Curacao in the Netherlands Antilles and you will find Curacao Aviation Photography pictures which is me  

Regards,

Roger

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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2518 times:



Quoting A388 (Thread starter):
but I noticed all locations require a 400 mm lense which I don't have. I

Hard to believe since I use my 200mm 90% of the time at JFK. With the exception of departures 300 should be fine.

Quoting A388 (Reply 3):
According to the NYCAvation website this location is not a public location, so will I be sent away when they see me,

Any parking lot is not a public location. With the exception of the public parks they are all private property. We still shoot in most of them with usually no problems. If you walk a little east from the Boston Market lot there is a big parking lot in front of the Best Buy that you can shoot with little or no hassle. Not sure if is on the map but if you look due east from the Boston Market lot you will see it and just have to cross the road. Moose alluded to it but there is no Firestone sign on the building. Just look for Best Buy.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9891 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2508 times:

Again, thanks for all the tips everybody. Another question, can I buy tickets for public transportation at the hotels or must I go to a bus station and/or train station? I can't imagine that taking a taxi is cheaper, or is it? If my plan goes through I will only be in New York for 4 days.

A388


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9891 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2472 times:

Also how is the sun shining on the Boston Market parking lot location? Can I get good results from the morning until the late afternoon there? Again as I am not familiar with NYC it will be hard to shuttle between the different spotting locations, I will need a single location that can give me good side on photography results with my 300mm lense. Does the Boston Market parking lot have lots of obstacles such as buildings, trees, (high) fences and/or wirings/cables from street lights and buildings?

Also I read in the NYCAviation website that DL will be using their brandnew 772LR from JFK once delivered. Most likely route would be BOM-JFK and back. If anyone can confirm this that is one aircraft I definately want to photograph in JFK  

By the way, if all goes as planned I will be in New York in the last week of April, how's the weather during that time of the year? Little sun with lots of rain and chilly weather that would require thicker clothes? I hope the weather is favorable with lots of sun to give nice photo results  

Thanks again.

A388

[Edited 2008-01-13 12:46:11]

User currently offlineTomTurner From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 247 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2444 times:



Quoting A388 (Reply 8):
Also how is the sun shining on the Boston Market parking lot location? Can I get good results from the morning until the late afternoon there?

Yes, Probably beginning late morning or midday.. getting better after that; good for the entire afternoon until sundown.

Quoting A388 (Reply 8):
Again as I am not familiar with NYC it will be hard to shuttle between the different spotting locations, I will need a single location that can give me good side on photography results with my 300mm lense. Does the Boston Market parking lot have lots of obstacles such as buildings, trees, (high) fences and/or wirings/cables from street lights and buildings?

It will be difficult to get around. You should contact NYCAv about a week before you visit to see who might be available to show you around.

Very few obstacles at all; If you track the whole approach, there will be one set of power lines once the plane is past you...Keep in mind while your shots are side on, these are really high approach shots at Boston Market/Firestone.

Quoting A388 (Reply 8):
By the way, if all goes as planned I will be in New York in the last week of April, how's the weather during that time of the year? Little sun with lots of rain and chilly weather that would require thicker clothes? I hope the weather is favorable with lots of sun to give nice photo results

The temperature will be unpredictable. Might be warm, might be cold. The big issue will be if you get rained out or not.

Good Luck,
Tom


User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1662 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2443 times:

I haven't heard mention so far of the old standby, Costco. Is this still a viable location, or have they been more aggressive in running off photographers?

Also, I concur with those who've stated 300mm is more than enough lens for most JFK spots. But, I also concur that the classic takeoff views from 31L need more than 300mm - I've had poor results from Howard Beach with my 75-300mm.

[Edited 2008-01-13 19:00:39]

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9891 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2432 times:

Thanks for the information Tom & John,

I will get in contact with NYCAviation if and when I will go. It would be a big disappointment if I go to one of the locations mentioned on the NYCAviation website to see that there are no or very little arrivals and/or departures from the location. Is the runway use at JFK very unpredictable or are the arrivals and departures patterns the same throughout the day?

hich of these photos are taken from the Boston market parking lot?


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Best regards,

A388


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2421 times:

I took this from Boston Market


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This I took from the Firestone location.



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Quoting A388 (Reply 8):
Also how is the sun shining on the Boston Market parking lot location? Can I get good results from the morning until the late afternoon there?

These locations IMO are afternnoon locations.

Quoting A388 (Reply 8):
Does the Boston Market parking lot have lots of obstacles such as buildings, trees, (high) fences and/or wirings/cables from street lights and buildings?

Boston Market gives you less margin for error with the wires that can get in the way, you have less time to shoot the subject than the Firestone location which has wires but they rarely come into play.

Quoting A388 (Reply 8):
By the way, if all goes as planned I will be in New York in the last week of April, how's the weather during that time of the year? Little sun with lots of rain and chilly weather that would require thicker clothes? I hope the weather is favorable with lots of sun to give nice photo results

Shoot me an IM through here the week before you arrive we can discuss all of this and maybe meet up.

Quoting JohnJ (Reply 10):
I haven't heard mention so far of the old standby, Costco. Is this still a viable location, or have they been more aggressive in running off photographers?

It's still a good location it's a bit more hot than the other locations but every time LO has came up they just checked my ID and went on their way. It's the kind of parking lot that during busy shopping times can get very crowded.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9891 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2409 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 12):
This I took from the Firestone location.

That looks like a nice location, is that in the same area as the Boston Market parking lot?

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 12):
These locations IMO are afternnoon locations.

Okay thanks.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 12):
Boston Market gives you less margin for error with the wires that can get in the way, you have less time to shoot the subject than the Firestone location which has wires but they rarely come into play.

Okay, handy tips you have there for me  Smile So the Firestone location is preferred?

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 12):
Shoot me an IM through here the week before you arrive we can discuss all of this and maybe meet up.

Thanks NIK. I will definately send you a IM once my plans are confirmed. I am already very thrilled about the idea of going to New York and also spend a few days for aircraft photography. If I can meet with NYC spotters that would make it easier for me to find my way there as you know the areas and I don't.

Best regards,

A388


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2396 times:



Quoting A388 (Reply 13):
That looks like a nice location, is that in the same area as the Boston Market parking lot?

No, If you are in the Boston Market location it's directly next to it. You will see a Best Buy (which is an electronic chain here.) You will also see a McDonalds. A road runs between just cross the road and you will be there. The Firestone building is still there and is a stand alone white structure. I shot it from that area. I would seriously consider renting a car for it will make your spotting much easier.

Quoting A388 (Reply 13):
So the Firestone location is preferred?

Well it's preference mostly. You can get a tad closer and but the Firestone location gives you more flexability.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9891 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2386 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):
No, If you are in the Boston Market location it's directly next to it. You will see a Best Buy (which is an electronic chain here.) You will also see a McDonalds. A road runs between just cross the road and you will be there. The Firestone building is still there and is a stand alone white structure. I shot it from that area. I would seriously consider renting a car for it will make your spotting much easier.

Okay, thanks. My problem that my budget does not have room for a rental car. I will be dependant on public transportation. If there was an official spotter's location where aircraft spotters can take photos that would have been much better for me but I think JFK does not have that option. AMS is one airport that does have a spectator's terrace and spotter locations on the side of the runways which are well accessable by bus in most cases. If JFK has something similar I am glad to hear about it.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):
You can get a tad closer and but the Firestone location gives you more flexability.

Thanks.

Best regards,

A388


User currently offlineMoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2342 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2375 times:



Quoting A388 (Reply 15):
If there was an official spotter's location where aircraft spotters can take photos that would have been much better for me but I think JFK does not have that option. AMS is one airport that does have a spectator's terrace and spotter locations on the side of the runways which are well accessable by bus in most cases. If JFK has something similar I am glad to hear about it.

I think we would all like it if JFK had an official spotting area, unfortunately it doesn't. As we've discussed, there are quite a few spots that provide good photography, depending on the runways in use. That may be your bigger problem, especially if they switch runways right after you settle in at a spot.

As we've said, let us know when you have finalized your plans, and drop a message on the NYCA forum, and we'll try to help you have a good NYC spotting experience!



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9891 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2364 times:



Quoting Moose135 (Reply 16):
As we've said, let us know when you have finalized your plans, and drop a message on the NYCA forum, and we'll try to help you have a good NYC spotting experience!

I certainly will Moose. I will let you all know in this forum and on the NYC aviation website if all my plans go ahead. Sounds great! JFK has fascinated me since I was a kid because of all the airlines from all over the world. I was in JFK in 1989 and I was walking there with my father with those big eyes, just awesome! Probably I will still walk around with big eyes if I will go to JFK again now.

A388  Smile


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