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What Is Blurry?  
User currently offlineTweetDriver From Germany, joined Dec 2005, 116 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

Hi,
from what I understand blurry means it is out of focus totally.

I got this pic back with: quality, blurry, centered, oversharpened, grainy

Maybe the oversharpened part (although I did not see any jaggies BEFORE uploading, but after I could see some). But as for the centered in my book it is pretty much in the middle of the picture.

But blurry? I can count the spokes and read Maj Ron Allen on the nose of the Tweet, so can anybody help me?

Regards, Henk

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r..._Feb_2006_T37_68_014_KFDR_1neu.jpg

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User currently offlineKLM772ER From Germany, joined May 2006, 615 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2360 times:

Hello henk,

First of all regarding the centered issue the picture is to high in frame..
As for the oversharpening, there are quite a lot jaggies visible all around the plane (The "US Air Force" title, and the lines above it, the border between white and blue behind the cockpit, the nose wheel doors, at the tail... and more) and it shows a clear halo round the plane....
As for the blurriness, it seems that the original is blurry and you tried to compensate it with applying to much sharpening..
and the grain probably got boosted because of to much sharpening!!

Hope this helps!

Cheers
Björn

Edit: spelling

[Edited 2008-01-14 09:04:56]

User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2347 times:

Blurry and out of focus are not one in the same. If you have a subject in correct focus, but use a slow shutter speed, and induce movement in the camera or subject during your exposure, the resulting image will be blurred.

User currently offlineTweetDriver From Germany, joined Dec 2005, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2333 times:

So for the oversharpening: did a.net do anything to the routines?

I am 100% sure that there were no jaggies before my upload...

Same here: I know I checked the lines before and after saving and there were none and now along the the liveteam you can see them: http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b...n_2006_wichita_falls_N48EA_neu.jpg and I used minimal sharpening on this. I think it was 200@.2

User currently offlineIL76 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2004, 2223 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2319 times:



Quoting TweetDriver (Reply 3):
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b...n_2006_wichita_falls_N48EA_neu.jpg

Weird size that is, 1200x741. And what happened in the sky there, on the border and in the middle top? When you equalise it, weird lines pop up (and they are not clouds).

User currently offlineTweetDriver From Germany, joined Dec 2005, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2302 times:

Well if I go upstairs power up my photo editing computer and the nice 21 inch monitor I do not see any jaggies in the picture, just as I expected since I used minimal sharpening.

That is funny, on my laptop I see some.
On my other monitor not even in 200% wich I used for quality control in the first place.

User currently offlineIL76 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2004, 2223 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2295 times:

I wonder what caused the black blob on the upper edge and the strange line in the sky further to the right on the chopper picture.

The first picture is definitely oversharpened. Looks like compensation for a slightly blurry original. It's got a green colour cast and it's under exposed. (ps, I haven't screened this photo)

E

User currently offlineTweetDriver From Germany, joined Dec 2005, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2294 times:

And to come back to the original issue, the shot was taken at 120mm with 1/640 shutter time at f-stop 5.6 and ISO 200.

It is a crop of about 3/4 of a 10.2 mpix sensor.

User currently offlineTweetDriver From Germany, joined Dec 2005, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2283 times:

I looked at the original file and what Björn thought is halo on the nose is there in the original file with no sharpening in it at all (also cam sharpening off)???

User currently offlineKLM772ER From Germany, joined May 2006, 615 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2260 times:



Quoting TweetDriver (Reply 8):
I looked at the original file and what Björn thought is halo on the nose is there in the original file with no sharpening in it at all (also cam sharpening off)???

I didn't ment only the nose, you can also see it at the nose gear, between cockpit and tail (and I am sure somewhere else when you equalize the picture...)

Cheers
Björn

User currently offlineTweetDriver From Germany, joined Dec 2005, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2252 times:

Ok, i see it on the nose gear.
With behind the cockpit, what exactly do you mean?

Btw I never used the equalize function before, so thanks for the new trick!

Regards, Henk

User currently offlineUnattendedbag From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2151 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2248 times:



Quoting TweetDriver (Reply 7):
And to come back to the original issue, the shot was taken at 120mm with 1/640 shutter time at f-stop 5.6 and ISO 200.

It is a crop of about 3/4 of a 10.2 mpix sensor.

Unfortunatly, that has nothing to do with why the photo is blurry. Camera shake causes blurry pictures. I don't think there is a way to save it for upload.


Slower traffic, keep right
User currently offlineTweetDriver From Germany, joined Dec 2005, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2239 times:

OK I buy allmost everything, but not that I had that much camerashake at 1/640 with 120mm, I am not Ali (although I admire him a lot)

But I will not retry it.

[Edited 2008-01-14 12:28:07]

User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4833 posts, RR: 49
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

The blur is not heavy blur, but the very slight and hard to detect blur. If you were to duplicate a layer of a sharp photo, set it at 20% opacity then move it back one pixel, that would show what it looks a little bit like.

I can see it on my Apple screen which I believe has the same panel as what those of the screeners use.


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