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Oversharpened & Common Rejection?  
User currently offlineJonathanJet From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 64 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 1 month 8 hours ago) and read 2745 times:

I don't get it. Is oversharpened a foolproof way to reject images? This picture was viewed and prescreened by some on here a while back and I was instructed on what to do. If I do less sharpening..It'll be too soft. All the jaggies that I can find on my monitors (yes I have 2 at home and 2 at work) were erased back to the original and looked soft on my screens. And as for the common, for many of those who have asked in other posts which have had a common, there were 100+ of the same aircraft. There is only 64 for this aircraft and only 6 are at LAX.

What is the point in trying if all that the site wants is rare or different shots? You go the airport - you are gonna get a common. I personally don't have any of airplanes..just helicopters and balloons. What would 1 more hurt?

Is it worth resharpening and reuploading? Or will I just get something and common again?

Thanks in advance!


And I'm sure this one will be a common and oversharpened also.



[Edited 2008-01-16 20:37:01]

Sorry, links didn't work. Can't figure out how to link to the queue and rejected folder..They don't show up.

[Edited 2008-01-16 20:39:52]

I'd rather be shooting in Hawaii!
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User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 8 hours ago) and read 2743 times:

Doesn't do much good if ya don't post the pics.

"We break, We bend, With hand in hand, When hope is gone, Just hang on." -Guster
User currently offlineGPHOTO From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 840 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 5 hours ago) and read 2710 times:

Still oversharpened, but looking better than the ones you showed in an earlier post so you are getting better with your processing.

The common rejection is exactly that, unfortunately. With so many good quality shots in the database, the bar gets raised on some individual airframes. It gives you an added idea of how much you would need to improve the shot to get it accepted. If I get a common, I usually don't try to re-work the shot, I consider it a hint from the screeners that I need to radically overhaul the quality to get it accepted, somethng which probably is not possible. The 'standard side-on airliner departure shot', though a classic, is quite subject to common. You can get round it by shooting other, less common, aircraft subjects (GA or mil, but pointless if only airliners float your boat) or changing the motive (not always easy at large airports where opportunities are limited). Here is a good example of a better motive than the usually side-on:

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Photo © Hongyin Huo

If you can find the right place to stand (safety and security considered) and can take normal side-ons you should be able to take shots like this as well, which have a much improved appeal and are less likely to fall foul of common (maybe).

It may help people to help you if you can give us access to the original shot, fresh out of the camera. There are enough people here to be able to tell if the shot is editable to Airliners.net standards (in which case advice can be given on your workflow) or if the underlying problems lie with the original image (in which case editing may never be able to bring the image up to the required level and it is time to move on to another shot).

Don't give up (if you are tired of working on these particular images, try some new ones). I think we all went through the same frustrations during our time. Keep plugging away, revising your techniques (maybe upgrading camera or lens if necessary) and learning. Your image already looks better than last week but there is still a little further to go.

Best regards,


Erm, is this thing on?
User currently offlineJonathanJet From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2695 times:

Thanks for the information. I'll add the unedited photos of my favorites to Flickr. Can you view photos on there?
I'll add them with an unedited tag so you can see the ones I want. I have many that are identical, and I already weeded those out. The only problem is flickr will probably downsize to 1024 x 768. If you would like to edit one or several...I can e-mail you the originals. I like my recent edits way better than my previous ones...So thanks for the help in the last week!


I'm looking at purchasing a 100-400 L USM today from the local camera store @12:30 p.m. PST. Will this help over my current 75-300? I have been told it will, but I'll still get "common" I'm sure.

Are these way oversharpened too? I used the re-upload on these..since they were extremely poor edits. (When I first started). They were accepted..no complaints.

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Photo © Jonathan Miller

If you would like to see an original accepted of these. I can add it too.


I'd rather be shooting in Hawaii!
User currently offlineJonathanJet From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2672 times:

Bought the 100-400 at noon today, and when I got back I had received a e-mail that the photo below was accepted. I didn't think that it would accepted as I thought it was too soft. I will try to make the others like that one as best as possible! Hopefully the new lens will help!

Thanks for your comments!

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