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No Need For DSLRs!  
User currently offlineLazerin From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 2 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2737 times:

I had a dream. A great dream that one day, one miraculous day, my photos would be accepted to the holy grail of aviation photography. This dream had been a difficult one to fulfill for I did not own a coveted DSLR camera. Days go by, weeks go by, months go by, with no signs of success. However, this story does have a happy ending (as alluded to by the title). For that one miraculous day came, and the following shot cemented a seat in the sacred database of Airliners.net:


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Photo © Kian Lim



Oh, the joy!

This joy was followed soon after by yet another acceptance:


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The dream had now been fulfilled.

So there we have it. Non DSLR photos can and do get accepted. Granted, I did upgrade my camera to a Fujifilm S6000fd (aka s6500fd) and this directly correlated with getting the shot accepted.

The lesson here is to keep on persisting!

Cheers  Smile

p.s. please check out http://www.kianlim.com (& http://aviation.kianlim.com)


http://www.kianlim.com & http://aviation.kianlim.com
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User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2727 times:



Quoting Lazerin (Thread starter):
Non DSLR photos can and do get accepted.

Yes, they most certainly do!

I've got 107 photos in the database with a Canon Powershot.

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?pid=29078

With that being said, I've got the first photos from my 400D in the Q.  Wink


Congrats on the acceptance!



"We break, We bend, With hand in hand, When hope is gone, Just hang on." -Guster
User currently offlineTransIsland From Bahamas, joined Mar 2004, 2044 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2694 times:

Of course they can... most of my 440 shots weren't DSLR shots. However, my DSLR acceptance rate is currently at 88%, before the upgrade I was a little over half that. (Though some major changes in my workflow may have had something to do with that, too. Maybe I ought to go back and try that  Wink)


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User currently offlineIL76 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2004, 2237 posts, RR: 49
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2689 times:

I have a (recent) pic on A.net taken with one of these.

And yes, I do have a pink one like this.  Smile

If the pic is decent, it doesn't matter which camera took it. Granted, it's easier with a DSLR.


User currently offlineViv From Ireland, joined May 2005, 3142 posts, RR: 29
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2686 times:



Quoting Lazerin (Thread starter):
Non DSLR photos can and do get accepted.

Certainly they can, if the photographer knows what he is doing, avoids the ''auto' modes, and above all does not use the DDZ (Dreaded Digital Zoom).

However, for flying aircraft as opposed to static aircraft, a DLSR makes life much easier.



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User currently offlineFergulmcc From Ireland, joined Oct 2004, 1916 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2666 times:



Quoting Viv (Reply 4):
Certainly they can, if the photographer knows what he is doing, avoids the ''auto' modes, and above all does not use the DDZ (Dreaded Digital Zoom).

However, for flying aircraft as opposed to static aircraft, a DLSR makes life much easier.

I'll second that Big grin

Fergul  sun 



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User currently offlineChris78cpr From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2819 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2660 times:



Quoting IL76 (Reply 3):
And yes, I do have a pink one like this.

You big girl you!  Wink  Smile

Sod what camera it's taken with, just take photos with anything! If they are good enough quality then upload them!

Chris



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User currently offlineFlySAS From Sweden, joined Mar 2005, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2627 times:

That's called learing the hard way my friend  Wink My first 38 photos in the DB was taken back in 2005/early 2006 when all I had was a lousy Konica Minolta Dimage Z20. I soon began using manual mode and really had to think my motive through in advance, as the zoom was slow (and even slower!).

But I learned the hard way, and have since I bought my first DSLR in May '06 spent way to much money on houses, lenses and accessorices. So get out while you can, this hobby is going to cost you way more than all your girlfriends and mistresses will during your whole lifetime...  duck 

Robert


User currently offlineLazerin From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2592 times:

lol FlySAS. I think I'm in the clear for now as I don't have the funds to even consider a DSLR with a quality long focal length lens. I'm only a uni (college) student.

Viv is right with regards to motion. My best attempts so far have been something like:



Motion blur and out of focus images are all too common for me. I can't find the right balance between shutter speed and focus. As my camera isn't a dslr, there's a bit of lag to focus and sometimes the plane would have moved out of focus by the time it's ready to take the shot. And at long focal lengths, I often end up with some motion blur/camera shake and I find myself a step behind making those corrections to shutter speed and iso settings each time. Perhaps I'll improve with more practice.



http://www.kianlim.com & http://aviation.kianlim.com
User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2566 times:

Congratulations on your acceptances!

3 of my 6 most popular shots were taken with a Sony DSC-W5!!! Not too shabby for a non-DSLR, eh?


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When the conditions are good, the P&S + good editing can do a decent job. But, the DSLRs really shine when the conditions are challenging (e.g., in low light). I could have never taken this one with a P&S, I don't think.


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Photo © Tony Printezis



Tony



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User currently offlineF4wso From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 974 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

Congrats!

A good camera doens't make a good photographer. Good results can be had with point and shoot cameras using sound fundamentals.

Gary
Cottage Grove, MN, USA



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User currently offlineSovietjet From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2003, 2578 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2540 times:
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I also use a Canon Powershot. SD400 to be exact. All my (few)images on here were taken with it...but I don't upload too much. I'm still trying to learn to use Photoshop a bit better before I get into editing all my photos to upload.

http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...n%20Voukadinov&distinct_entry=true


User currently offlineDlednicer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 543 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2527 times:
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Quoting Lazerin (Thread starter):
So there we have it. Non DSLR photos can and do get accepted.

They certainly do! As of this morning, I have 1179 pictures in the a.net database. Here is the equipment I've used. Note that only two were taken with a DSLR:

Miranda-Sekor SLR, shooting Ektachrome 400: 29 pictures
Chinon SLR, shooting Ektachrome 400: 44 pictures
Canon F-1 SLR, shooting Ektachrome 400: 19 pictures
Pentax WRQ 70-105, shooting Ektachrome 400 and Provia 400: 46 pictures
Canon PowerShot A20: 11 pictures
KonicaMinolta Dimage Z5: 71 pictures
Canon PowerShot S2 IS: 77 pictures
Canon PowerShot S3 IS: 880 pictures
Canon EOS 400D: 2 pictures


User currently offlineJe89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2360 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2515 times:
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Quoting FlySAS (Reply 7):
My first 38 photos in the DB was taken back in 2005/early 2006 when all I had was a lousy Konica Minolta Dimage Z20. I soon began using manual mode and really had to think my motive through in advance, as the zoom was slow (and even slower!).

Hmm, I think I've started off with even more primitive equipment!  Wink



User currently offlineRomeoKC10FE From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2515 times:

I took this with a Minolta Dimage X50.




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User currently offlineRomeoKC10FE From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2504 times:

I took this with a Minolta Dimage X50.




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Photo © Talbert Reese



User currently offlineDvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1742 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2502 times:
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Where the DSLR really helps is in autofocus and continuous shooting. If you're shooting anything that moves, they're almost a prerequisite. The systems on point and shoots just can't keep up most of the time.

That being said, I loved my little Minolta Z2 point and shoot... I had to hock it for rent money though. =/ I always imagined that a perfect backup would have been the Minolta A1 or A2, cameras that had their place with an excellent sensor and fixed lens before DSLRs were affordable enough for the common man. Well designed and good image quality.



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User currently offlineDlednicer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 543 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2459 times:
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Quoting Dvincent (Reply 16):
Where the DSLR really helps is in autofocus and continuous shooting. If you're shooting anything that moves, they're almost a prerequisite. The systems on point and shoots just can't keep up most of the time.

Really? I disagree - these (and others) were all taken with a Canon PowerShot S3 IS:

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User currently offlineDvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1742 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2455 times:
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Quoting Dlednicer (Reply 17):
Really? I disagree - these (and others) were all taken with a Canon PowerShot S3 IS:

It has to do mostly with how the two systems work. Your "hit rate" is much higher with a DSLR due to higher power, faster motors, faster shutters and frame rates, and the fact that phase-change detection (as opposed to image sensor-based contrast detection) will always win in the speed and accuracy of the lock. Technique always plays a role but hitting focus is key and the little cameras have a hard time keeping up.

I didn't say it couldn't be done. Just that it is faster and far more accurate - which makes shooting moving objects much easier.



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