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Canon Digital Rebel XT Or Nikon D40?  
User currently offlineA380fo From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 322 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5275 times:

Im a "beginning" photgrapher, and my birthday is coming up so my parents have agreed to get me a camera. Im trying to find a nice/ok camera that could get shots accepted on here with a reasonable price. So circuitcity.com is offering a special for 499.99. Either a Canon Digital Rebel XT kit or a Nikon D40 kit.

Each kit includes a 18-55 mm lens.

My dilemma is, i hear the D40 is a better camera, but a good friend of mine own a canon digital rebel xti and has 3 lens (1 telephoto) and if i got the d40 would those lenses work??


Help me please. im stuck!

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User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2852 posts, RR: 33
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5272 times:

Canon EF lenses work only on Canons, The thing with Canon is, that all of Canon's lenses fit and work on every one of Canon's bodies, unlike Nikon. So if you got the Nikon and decided to buy some good glass, there's a possibility of it not working on another body (if you get another one down the road.)

Unlike Canon, if you had the same situation and upgraded your body, you're lenses would fit it without question.

I would go Canon, but I am biased, and it's all up to personal preference.

-Matt



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5266 times:



Quoting A380fo (Thread starter):
My dilemma is, i hear the D40 is a better camera, but a good friend of mine own a canon digital rebel xti and has 3 lens (1 telephoto) and if i got the d40 would those lenses work??

If you NEED to share lenses with your friend, the decision is made for you, Cannon.

But if you are going to 'stand on your own' I suggest a D60 as a minimum.


User currently offlineUpcfordcruiser From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5263 times:

I've only used point and shoot cameras prior to the Rebel 350D XT, and after learning the basics of shutter speed, ISO, aperture, etc., it's been nothing but a joy to use. Of course I am also biased because I've never touched a Nikon other than playing with the displays in the store.

User currently offlineCalgaryBill From Canada, joined May 2006, 686 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5260 times:



Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 1):
So if you got the Nikon and decided to buy some good glass, there's a possibility of it not working on another body (if you get another one down the road.)

In the words of Borat... "not so much." All Nikon has done is phase out the screw-type autofocus system in favour of the newer, SWM autofocus system. So his D40 would work with any new and future AFS lens as it's highly unlikely Nikon will revert to slower, more complicated AF driven lenses. And the older, screw-type AF lenses will work, they just won't autofocus. In fact, most Nikon lenses dating back to 1959 will mount on current Nikon cameras since Nikon has not changed their mount. I'll leave it to a Canon expert such as yourself to explain how Canon changed from the FD to EF mounts just 15 years or so ago...  Big grin

Quoting A380fo (Thread starter):
Help me please. im stuck!

Both brands make excellent glass and a range of bodies from entry-level to pro. So go into the store and try both out - see which one you enjoy using, which one makes sense (menus, controls, ergonomics) and buy it. You can also check out reviews of both at www.dpreview.com.

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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5255 times:

Go Canon - hands down.

User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4881 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5242 times:

I'm a Nikon owner, but I'd say Canon (I am a previous Canon user though). Much more choice in lenses, many of which are more useful for a aviation photographer.

User currently offlineCalgaryBill From Canada, joined May 2006, 686 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5217 times:



Quoting Cpd (Reply 6):
Much more choice in lenses, many of which are more useful for a aviation photographer.

Such as?

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User currently offlineN440ER From Poland, joined Jan 2006, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5210 times:

The D40 is a good choice, just make sure the telephoto you get for it works. The best choice IMO is the 70-300 VR or, if you can't quite afford that, the 55-200 AF-S or the new 55-200 AF-S VR. the 70-300 VR is currently about 470 dollars, and for that, you honestly get one hell of a lens. 55-200 VR is about 215, haven't tried it yet but heard nothing but good things. Good luck.

Maciek (Nikon guy)  Smile



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User currently offlineAKE0404AR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2535 posts, RR: 45
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5204 times:

In your case it purely comes down to personal preferences. These entry level DSLR don't really are that different and if they are you probably won''t notice it, since you are a total newbie.

An advice I have given you a lot of times: Go out to your local (pro) camera store and try 'em out. Hold 'em play around and try to get a feel for the camera. Turn the knobs etc.....after a while you get an idea which one to buy.

Some men like blond women, for others they have to be dark, why b/c of personal preference, but they all are the same in the end (to a certain extent of course) and come with "pretty much the same features".


Vasco

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User currently offlineSovietjet From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2003, 2648 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5197 times:
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I'm no expert but the Rebel XT has more megapixels and a better autofocus system

User currently offlineAndrej From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 1039 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5185 times:

A380fo,

if you plan to share lenses with your friend, then I would definetly go with Canon. Both Canon and Nikon are great and it really depends on what you prefer. Go to you local camera shop and try both of them. You can't go wrong, but as I already mentioned if you plan on sharing lenses with your friend, then Canon XT it is! (Maybe you may look at XTi with recently announced XTs the price should drop soon!)

Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 1):
Canon EF lenses work only on Canons, The thing with Canon is, that all of Canon's lenses fit and work on every one of Canon's bodies, unlike Nikon. So if you got the Nikon and decided to buy some good glass, there's a possibility of it not working on another body (if you get another one down the road.)

Unlike Canon, if you had the same situation and upgraded your body, you're lenses would fit it without question.

I would go Canon, but I am biased, and it's all up to personal preference.

I am sorry Matt but I don't agree with you. I ownCanon T70, actually my father bought it the same year I was born, and when I was looking to buy new DSLR camera I thought that I would go and buy Canon 20D. But then I realized that my lenses would not work on Canon 20D. These lenses are FD type and as far as I am aware Canon shooters are not able to use these lenses anymore. Unless they shoot with older equipment.

On the other hand, Nikon has not changed its mount and you can use lenses that are 20+ years old. These include non-CPU and CPU lenses. I own Nikon D200 and I could not be happier. I like general feel of the camera, its tough body and even its OS. (user interface is quite straight forward).

However you are correct, on D40, D40x and D60. The autofocus system will only work on AF-S and AF-I type lenses. They are missing "screw drive" that allows for AF type lenses to autofocus.

Please correct me if I am wrong about the lens issue.  Smile

Cheers,
Andrej


User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2852 posts, RR: 33
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5180 times:



Quoting CalgaryBill (Reply 4):
I'll leave it to a Canon expert such as yourself to explain how Canon changed from the FD to EF mounts just 15 years or so ago...

I never once said I was a Canon expert. I'm not even close to being an expert in anything. I was pointing out a fact. You are more likely to get a Nikon lens that doesn't fit etc.; that with Canon all of the EOS bodies accept a Canon EF lens, and I think they will take ef-s lenses,

Quoting Andrej (Reply 11):
am sorry Matt but I don't agree with you. I ownCanon T70, actually my father bought it the same year I was born, and when I was looking to buy new DSLR camera I thought that I would go and buy Canon 20D. But then I realized that my lenses would not work on Canon 20D. These lenses are FD type and as far as I am aware Canon shooters are not able to use these lenses anymore. Unless they shoot with older equipment

Highly unlikely that you will be buying 15+ year old glass in the near future unless you colect them etc. Even then, most delaers will say only works on certain bodies and warn you.

If he is sharing Canon lenses with is buddy, he needs a Canon.



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User currently offlineDvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1755 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5177 times:
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Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 12):
Highly unlikely that you will be buying 15+ year old glass in the near future unless you colect them etc. Even then, most delaers will say only works on certain bodies and warn you.

Don't trash glass because it's old... many of my favorite lenses have/were been of Minolta's first generation AF. I still use one for shooting all the time.



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User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2852 posts, RR: 33
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5174 times:



Quoting Dvincent (Reply 13):
Don't trash glass because it's old... many of my favorite lenses have/were been of Minolta's first generation AF

Wow...people love putting words into my mouth. I never once said old glass is bad. I just said, most people will most likely buy lenses that are new, just because of that word, NEW. When they see 15+ years old, some people will think, old,rusty, which may or may not be the case depending on who owned it before them, but I never once said that old glass was bad glass.



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User currently offlineDvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1755 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5172 times:
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Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 14):
Wow...people love putting words into my mouth. I never once said old glass is bad. I just said, most people will most likely buy lenses that are new, just because of that word, NEW. When they see 15+ years old, some people will think, old,rusty, which may or may not be the case depending on who owned it before them, but I never once said that old glass was bad glass.

Sorry to misinterpret then, I read the "highly unlikely unless to collect" as a mark against them.



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User currently offlineAndrej From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 1039 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5172 times:



Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 12):
Highly unlikely that you will be buying 15+ year old glass in the near future unless you colect them etc. Even then, most delaers will say only works on certain bodies and warn you.

sorry, but good glass is more important than camera. Cameras play important factor, especially today when it is also sensor that determines quality picture, however good glass will deliver better results than regular glass. So yes, if 15+ year old glass is good why not to use it?

I plan to buy older glass, as it is usually cheaper and if taken good care of it is worth to own!

Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 12):
If he is sharing Canon lenses with is buddy, he needs a Canon.

That's what I advised him as well. But before he spends money on anything he should go to the store, play with the cameras and then decide what he likes best.

Cheers,
Andrej


User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2852 posts, RR: 33
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5166 times:



Quoting Andrej (Reply 16):
sorry, but good glass is more important than camera. Cameras play important factor, especially today when it is also sensor that determines quality picture, however good glass will deliver better results than regular glass. So yes, if 15+ year old glass is good why not to use it?

 checkmark  I totally 100% agree, but with most people just coming into the hobby, they don't realise camera stores are using Megapixels as selling point. Megapixels is only useful for cropping/resizing or for large prints. So they end up buying cheap glass, and expensive bodies, which in turn, it should be the other way around.



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User currently offlineCalgaryBill From Canada, joined May 2006, 686 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5158 times:



Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 12):
I was pointing out a fact. You are more likely to get a Nikon lens that doesn't fit etc.

That's not a fact, it's bull. I thought I explained it pretty clearly but I guess not. Almost all Nikkor lenses - going back to 1959 - will fit on a D40, but non-AFS lenses just won't be able to focus. Since most of Nikon's lenses in the last few years, and likely all going forward, are/will be AFS, it's hardly an issue.

I must have missed the part where you explained how to mount an FD lens on an EF body.

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User currently offlineA380fo From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5152 times:

WOW! Thanks for all the replies. I just got home and bam, all these hits. Thanks

User currently offlineDvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1755 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5148 times:
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Quoting CalgaryBill (Reply 18):

That's not a fact, it's bull. I thought I explained it pretty clearly but I guess not. Almost all Nikkor lenses - going back to 1959 - will fit on a D40, but non-AFS lenses just won't be able to focus. Since most of Nikon's lenses in the last few years, and likely all going forward, are/will be AFS, it's hardly an issue.

It's a little more complicated than that. Not all F-mount lenses are created equal.

For example, old non-CPU manual focus lenses will not meter on anything less than a D200/high level Nikon these days, even though there is no reason for them not to. Nikon intentionally cripples the body. There's also very, very old F-mount lenses (pre-AI) that will not mount at all on modern bodies. However, most of these early lenses can be modified to work. Interestingly enough they mount on a D40 but they're entirely manual. Don't try them on a D3 though.  Wink

http://bythom.com/lensacronyms.htm

I would say that the D40/60's lack of a focus motor is a big deal as there's tons of cheap, useful Nikon gear that will simply not focus.

Minolta broke away from its MF mount, the SR mount, when it introduced the Maxxum/alpha mount in the early 80s - the first commercially successful autofocus camera (not just prototypes, but actual cameras the average person could buy). Canon followed suit when they introduced the EF mount with their EOS cameras. All Minolta/Konica Minolta/Sony lenses will work on any autofocus body. The exception is SSM lenses, which are manual focus only on any body older than the Maxxum 7 (or the Maxxum 9 with an upgrade chip).

The EF mount has the benefit of a very short registration distance and you can mount and manually meter with a ton of lenses with easy, non-optical converters.



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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5122 times:



Quoting A380fo (Thread starter):
a nice/ok camera that could get shots accepted on here

You should buy a camera because you want to get out there and photograph - not so you can put images on here. Forget about A.net and concentrate on learning the basics. You should do the hobby for you, not A.net.

Quoting A380fo (Thread starter):
i hear the D40 is a better camera

The D40 is currently (I believe) the cheapest budget DSLR on the market and appears to be in a new class of its own, actually just below the entry-level Canons. The choice between these two should be the Canon - greater megapixels plus more features. I'd say the D40X or perhaps the D50 is more comparable in this equation.

As for the D40, every Nikon lens will fit but as said a few won't allow you to use autofocus.

Karl


User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4881 posts, RR: 37
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5088 times:



Quoting CalgaryBill (Reply 7):

Such as?

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Well, Nikon has plenty that are very useful, but the prices are extremely steep. In my experience, Canon is a little bit cheaper, and that's likely to be useful to Canon.

Someone above praised Nikon for the menu system, and I would agree with that as well - the Nikon menu system is very straightforward and logical. The operation of the camera in general and the handling of it is also very logical. Note, this concerns D80, D200 and those types.

But even a D80 now can be obtained cheaply these days as a body only, and if you were to keep a close eye on B&H, you might be able to score a decent prime lens cheap. I got a 300mm AF-ED which was supposed to be used, but in fact it appears to have never, ever been used and it works superbly. But, if you are planning on that, there does seem to be a greater variety of Canon lenses available pre-owned, at least if you watch B&H. The type that would be useful for photographing planes.


User currently offlineIH8BY From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1143 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5034 times:



Quoting CalgaryBill (Reply 4):
Both brands make excellent glass and a range of bodies from entry-level to pro

True. The key here is flexibility, and for that reason I'd probably select the Canon.

Quoting AKE0404AR (Reply 9):
These entry level DSLR don't really are that different and if they are you probably won''t notice it, since you are a total newbie.

The lens issue is one to point out. It might also be worth mentioning that the Canon is very slightly faster (3fps vs the Nikon's 2.5fps), and has a CMOS sensor, which appears to produce less noise at the higher ISO ends...

Quoting Andrej (Reply 11):
On the other hand, Nikon has not changed its mount and you can use lenses that are 20+ years old.

Canon lenses starting about 20 years ago will work - EF-compatible lenses from other companies from the past twenty years might have issues - many Sigma lenses will need to be re-chipped, which can be pricey.

Quoting CalgaryBill (Reply 18):
Since most of Nikon's lenses in the last few years, and likely all going forward, are/will be AFS, it's hardly an issue.

Yes. However, you would then be limiting yourself to Nikon AF-S lenses. Currently Sigma and Tamron also make good lenses for Nikon fit, but you will find you still won't get autofocus on the majority of those. For Sigma, you'll have to choose one of the limited range that has the HyperSonic Motor system.

Ignore people who say it's fine to use any F-mount lens and just do without automatic focusing; you'll find that a lack of autofocus will frustrate you.



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