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Can I Justify The Purchase Of A Canon D30?  
User currently offlineFlightcheck From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2001, 47 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2934 times:

For some time now I have been pondering over whether or not to purchase a digital Canon D30.

Having seen the great results of other owners on A.net. I desperatly want one.

I currently own a Pentax MZ30 with a 28-300mm sigma lens and a flatbed scanner, which I believe give decent results.

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If I purchase a D30 I have to part with £1700 GBP  Crying

I am considering the purchase of a Nikon Coolscan IV at £600 GBP.

At present I probably spend £12 GBP a week on film/developing, which equates to 1 years worth before the D30 will pay for itself.

Can you put my mind at rest and help me decide which is the better option.

My budget is within the Coolscan range but will require about 6 months saving for a D30  Sad


Thanks in advance

Kevin Minter.




Mint Photography Ltd - Award Winning Professional Photography.
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User currently offlineYKA From Netherlands, joined Sep 2001, 766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2847 times:




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User currently offlineLGW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2842 times:

Kevin, buy one. If you dont you will regret it.

Im 17 and I wanted this camera but at this age I simply cant afford it. I opted for the C-2100 for £500. Means hardly any developing costs but I didnt have to pay out £1,000+ for a digital SLR. As I said I wanted one but is wasnt an option for me. I am pretty happy with my camera and anyway, I didnt have as much developing costs as you, I must have taken less shots. I wasnt spending £12 a week on developing.

So i would say get it. If you dont you will keep seeing wonderful shots on here taken with it and you will wish u had got one

LGW


User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 765 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (13 years 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2831 times:

Have you factored in lens costs with the D30? Your figure seems a bit low with any decent lens in the 300 zoom range. Also, have you factored in the cost of additional memory for the D30, which would seem to be an essential. To be honest, while the D30 is a terrific camera, I would not recommend going this route if your case is primarily one of economics. If you're happy with your present camera, the difference between the scanner and the D30 outfit will buy you a lot of film. I also suspect the depreciation on the D30 is going to be pretty horrendous, as new and better models are inevitable in the near future.

In terms of quality, I beleive that theoretically, the right film/scanner combination is capable of superior results, but does require some skill to acheive. I think the D30 would result in better digital images for most people most of the time.

Finally, are you happy to commit your imagry to a pure digital format? Or do you think you will still have a requirement for slides/prints in the future (if the latter, best factor in a good photo printer to your D30 budget!).

I don't know the answer - I faced a similar dilemna last spring and opted to stick with film and uograde my scanner - and while I'm happy with the results, I'm beginning to see occasions when I would prefer a digital camera.

Cheers,

Colin



Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlineAer Lingus From Ireland, joined May 2000, 1568 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2822 times:

ONLY 6 MONTHS to save for a D30 !?

I'd need 6 YEARS.........AT LEAST !!!


User currently offlineDa fwog From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 867 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (13 years 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2814 times:

Only you can decide. I was spending £100 a month on average over a year (obviously biased towards the sunnier months) on film and processing. So it's going to take well over a year to get an actual monetary saving from the D30, and even longer if you consider the extra items I have bought (lenses, memory cards, spare battery etc.) However, it has completely changed my photography - and for the better, I would have to say.

Let's not lose sight of the fact that it's a LOT of money to be spending on ANY bit of gear. For me, it was a difficult decision, but I feel I made the right one - using the D30 has opened up a world of creativity, and given me the impetus to experiment with shots I would not have taken before. I would not have got any of the following without it:

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I think that like any piece of equipment, for some people it will work, and be a worthwhile investment - for others it will not be so good. It's not going to be the camera of choice for slide traders, or for people who only shoot a dozen rolls a year.

I really like the camera and get on well with it, and I am pleased with the results I get. That doesn't mean that you will feel the same, nor get the same results. Also, what Colin (ckw) says is true - however much you pay for a D30 now, you are bound to get one for less in 6 months or 12 months time. How will you feel about that, or if in a year you can buy an improved model with more pixels for less money than you paid?

Will it work for you? Will it pay for itself? These questions, only you can answer.

Chris.

PS sorry for plugging pics again. For fairness sake, please don't open them!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineBlackened From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2805 times:

Those 50 views you'll get from posting your own pics for a good reason are nothing compared to your 721633 total views.  Big grin

User currently offlineDa fwog From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 867 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (13 years 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2790 times:

It was 718000 last time I looked! I'm doing better than I thought!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (13 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2786 times:

Buy it from the US and just pay the VAT, it'll still be a good deal cheaper and then get a decent (but not unbelievable) Lens, for say $400-500 (assuming you buy from the USA). Then all you need is memory which is cheap cheap cheap at the moment.

Here are some websites you can use:

http://royalcamera.com

http://bwayphoto.com

http://digitaldepot.co.uk

Regards

Dan


User currently offlineChrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2169 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (13 years 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2770 times:

Here's my motto: You can never have too many cameras, cars, and of course, girls.

Chris, do you still use your F100? If not, do you need a good home for it?


User currently offlineSukhoi From Sweden, joined May 2006, 373 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (13 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2762 times:

Kevin

Buy it!

They are a lot of money and they will be cheaper next year or replaced by something different and better. Its like buying a car or a PC there is always something cheaper and better just around the corner  Wink/being sarcastic

Also you can give Da Kingwide (they are the same person!) some competition at MAN plus it keeps you alll away from LGW Big grin

Cheers

Paul (King of the bobble hat)


User currently offlineMirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3125 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (13 years 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2750 times:

Kingwide and Da Fwog are the same person? Why?

Luis


User currently offlineDa fwog From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 867 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (13 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2743 times:

We aren't. He's just trying to get back at me for suggesting he wears a bobble hat!



User currently offlineAndyEastMids From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 1019 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (13 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2737 times:

Can I justify the purchase of a Canon D30?

I'm trying my best not to, but its getting mighty difficult as time goes on  Sad

Andy


User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5576 posts, RR: 63
Reply 14, posted (13 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2727 times:
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Hi all

I found it very difficult but the more I thought about it, the more I wanted it...........the result..........I got one  Smile

Lots of money to make the bank manager squirm.

Hold off in the event the price comes down but reading on a Canon forum recently, it looks like Canon will not make big discounts on this camera, despite the D1 being released.

Regards

Gary Watt
Aberdeen, Scotland


User currently offlineDa fwog From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 867 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (13 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2727 times:

Well, there's huge difference between the D30 and the 1D in price and target market. I could see the price slipping by £2-300 over the next few months, but I suspect it's going to take more competition to make it really tumble. I guess if people start buying Sony F707s, and Minolta Dimages in droves in preference to D30s and S1s, then the price will take a nosedive.

Let's make no bones about it though - it's a nice camera!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineAndyEastMids From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 1019 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (13 years 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2724 times:

OK guys,

Just out of curiosity, what extra would I need in addition to the bog standard body at £1800?

For example, it seems it comes with a 16MB card which is hardly adequate... So more memory cards... What else?

And no, I'm not getting one [yet!]

Andy

PS: As for Dan's suggestion of buying one in the US, it does seem quite attractive, and I usually go to the states once a year... US retail around $1600 at $1.43 = £1.00, US sales tax refunded, but then I'd probably end up having to tell the nice man at customs, so add 17.5% VAT and ??% duty, and that still seems to make it come out a good £300-£400 cheaper than UK. Hmmmm!


User currently offlineJan Mogren From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 2043 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (13 years 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2721 times:

Sounds like you can have the trip to NYC for free!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
/JM



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User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 765 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (13 years 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2708 times:

On top of the possible custom problems, you may also have service and warranty problems - I suspect Canon UK would consider this a "grey import" and invite you to send it back to your friends in the US.

Additional costs? How 'bout lenses! If you're already into the Canon system, great, but if you're gonna buy decent Canon lenses these will set you back a lot.

Cheers,

Colin



Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 34
Reply 19, posted (13 years 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2705 times:

There isn't much wrong with the Memory cards, for a 128mb its only £50 so you are fine there, the lens is the only other problem but if you have a previous Canon camera then you can just use those lenses.

Blablabla, its all very complicated and annoying, and i'm still trying to sort out my cheapy camera so...

I'm just a kid  Big grin

Regards

Dan (btw. for my winter holiday i was looking at funny hats, unfortunetely i ended up with a normal one hehe)


User currently offlineDa fwog From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 867 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (13 years 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2702 times:

Well, I'd recommend buying at least 256MB of memory (about £100). If you want an extra battery (it's a camcorder-type lithium-ion thingie) it will set you back £50+ (although Jessops stock a compatible one for £40). The optional battery grip is £150, a remote shutter cord is £40 if you have a need for one.

To be honest, if you already have Canon-fit lenses, the only immediate cost you need to incur is that of a memory card. The battery is good for about 500-600 shots before needing a recharge, so you only really need a spare if you are likely to shoot more than this in a day.


User currently offlineSukhoi From Sweden, joined May 2006, 373 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (13 years 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2694 times:

As Colin has pointed out if you go for a grey import then check with Canon UK about the warranty. I had a very nice deal on a purchase of my S1 in Chicago but Fuji dont have an international warranty and wouldnt honour it in the UK  Sad

Memory wise go for a microdrive, I have a 340mb and a 1gb and will never run out of space when shooting  Wink/being sarcastic Just look after them thats all. We use them here at work and the abuse that they take in pit lanes around the world they still seem to be fine!

Regards

Paul
(Waiting for the launch of the S2!!!!!!!)


User currently offlineDa fwog From United Kingdom, joined Aug 1999, 867 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (13 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2688 times:

Now, you see, I would disagree with the advice to purchase a microdrive. The reasoning behind this is the way CF cards have dropped in price. 6 months ago, I would have said a microdrive was definitely the way to go, given the large capacity and (relatively) low price. However most dealers still want around the £300 mark for a 1Gb microdrive, while a 256Mb CF card can now be had for less than £100. (In other words, for the same price as a 1Gb microdrive, I can have 3/4Gb in CF cards) For me, this means that there is not a great enough price differential to justify a microdrive over CF cards, given that it has slower access, increased power requirements (ie heavier on batteries), and will be inherently more unreliable, as it has moving parts and CF cards do not. [I'm not saying it is particularly unreliable, just that it has more to go wrong]

Please don't think I'm slagging microdrives off - the microdrive is undoubtedly a great piece of innovation; I just think that with the drop in price of solid state alternatives, it is no longer the great buy it once was.


User currently offlineSukhoi From Sweden, joined May 2006, 373 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (13 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2682 times:

Chris,

No worries, must admit I hadnt kept an eye on the price of the cards.

Cheers

Paul


User currently offlineJetTrader From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 586 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (13 years 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2676 times:


"CF card"

Excuse my ignorance...but is this like...the same as...or totally different entirely...to SmartMedia...?

Regards,
Dean



Life's dangerous. Get a f**king helmet!
25 Post contains images Granite : Dean CF = Compact Flash. MS = Memork Stick SM = Smart Media Well, my D30 has arrived so will have to pick up from the Post Office.....sorry Consignia.
26 Post contains images JetTrader : ED = Envious Dean Have fun Gary! Cheers, Dean
27 Granite : Hi Dean TC = Tuff cheezee. Gary
28 Post contains images AndyEastMids : Dean, D30 - £1639 is the best price I've seen recently. Almost as cheap as going to the States to get one! Tempted??? Andy
29 Post contains images JetTrader : Er...no!
30 Tu154m : When I was looking at going digital, I looked at everything. I was told that a digital body that takes SLR lens has a big drawback versus a fully digi
31 Post contains images EGGD : I'd say that an SLR lens is far superior to the Optical zoom on the dedicated digital cameras. I don't see why you just didn't order one off the inter
32 Da fwog : The argument isn't that the lens is superior - more that it is suited to the particular use it is being put. CCD sensors do the same job as film, but
33 Jwenting : The true reason your shop liked digital P&S cameras better is most likely the fact that they have a higher profitmargin on them...
34 Post contains images Flightcheck : So it looks like I'm opting for the film scanner then?
35 Tu154m : Don't know why that last post went to "Andy" but was not directed to him! Intresting to hear everyone's knowledge, obviously I'm still "green" behind
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