Stil From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 345 posts, RR: 7 Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1859 times:
This one caught my eye due the out of focus wheel on the background. It gives some kind of airport atmosphere to the pic. I like it!!! And what's more... I've got a lot of them on my personal collection, but not sure if it's this website material.
We could ask the same question to thousands of photogs here and a large number would not find an answer, right?
Quoting KLM772ER (Reply 4): I see some wheels cut in an arbitrary way, and a small gear block...
The beauty (of course only IMHO) of this shot is it's simplicity. It shows a B757 wheel (obviously) and is detailed enough to show the interaction between the wheel itself, the block and the ground. I could even imagine the forces acting between all of them. That's why I cut the wheel like that, because I don't need to show the whole wheel, as we all know how the rest of it looks like.
But it even shows more. It shows the opposite side wheel, out of focus giving a sense of the dimension of the airplane.
The markings, bolts etc add even more to it.
But as I said, it 's the simplicity of the photo what makes it appealing.
Of course this is only my personal opinion, and accept that many will not agree.
KLM772ER From Germany, joined May 2006, 615 posts, RR: 18 Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1769 times:
Quoting Ander (Reply 6): Of course this is only my personal opinion, and accept that many will not agree. Big grin
It would get very boring if we would all have the same taste
Quoting Ander (Reply 6): That's why I cut the wheel like that, because I don't need to show the whole wheel, as we all know how the rest of it looks like.
Quoting Ander (Reply 6): It shows the opposite side wheel, out of focus giving a sense of the dimension of the airplane.
You know since looking at the picture I am still thinking of it how it would look like with the complete gear included, do you have a version of it? I think it would even show the dimensions of the wheel and the plane better...
JakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7 Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1755 times:
Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 7): Nothing to really warrant that crop and nothing too spectacular about the whole thing...
But that's just your opinion. I think it's a great crop and really wonder why A.net would not want this picture. Think about it - 'airliners.net'. Says it all to me. Should be about every aspect of aviation. It's a shame that, just because someone running the show here doesn't like that image, it isn't allowed a place on the site. What is this now? 'Blue sky and side-on Boeings.net?
TimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 66 Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1736 times:
My opinion and the rules of a.net are two different things Karl. The screeners are a collective and rules are made collectively, opinions of individuals screeners have to weighed against those of others. Sometimes I accept images I do not like personally, sometimes I have to reject those I do like. So just because you like this photo doesn't mean it should be accepted either
In the end if the screeners decide an image is acceptable or not then yes that reflects our collective opinion. Fact is a.net is not a place for simply all aviation photos as you say. But you are well aware we are not blue sky boeing.net either.
The simple fact that the people on this forum have different opinions of Ander's photo reflects my point.
Ander From Spain, joined Jan 2005, 367 posts, RR: 22 Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1718 times:
Quoting JakTrax (Reply 10): just because someone running the show here doesn't like that image, it isn't allowed a place on the site
Take it easy Karl. I'm sure we can achieve more if we discuss things in a polite way.
My opinion is that my shot is much more aviation related than a lavatory, a galley or a seat.
Motiv is a very generic and subjective term. To me the shot is perfectly valid, but unfortunately I don't set the rules here.
So for now, all we can do is post our photos for creative discussion.
Quoting KLM772ER (Reply 9): You know since looking at the picture I am still thinking of it how it would look like with the complete gear included, do you have a version of it?
Yes Björn, I do have several photos some including the whole boogie. But this one is the only one I like that shows the three elements I wanted in the photo (wheel, block and pavement)
KLM772ER From Germany, joined May 2006, 615 posts, RR: 18 Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1604 times:
Quoting Ander (Reply 13): My opinion is that my shot is much more aviation related than a lavatory, a galley or a seat.
For us (you and me, and probably plenty others here) that is much more "aviation" than any interior shot..
On the other hand there are probably plenty of people visiting this site which are "only" flying from a to b and want to see how the planes inside look like and what they can expect! They are not interested in tyres, gears, for them aviation is something complete different...
Quoting Ander (Reply 13): But this one is the only one I like that shows the three elements I wanted in the photo (wheel, block and pavement)
Than definately keep it this way, the worst thing you can do is change something when it is against your conviction!
Sulman From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2032 posts, RR: 34 Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1575 times:
I like the composition; if one looks at it in terms of shape and placement, it's a good photo. To put it another way, if I wanted to look at wheel assemblies, this is how I'd want them photographed. However, people look for different things in images, and I can see the argument for it not being on the site.
That a well thought out shot of a tyre doesn't make it, and a dull picture of a cabin, PTV, or even toilet does is just one of the things that you learn to live with here.
On another note, is there not another Spanish bloke at ATI that does lots of this stuff? Can't remember his name. Found him on Pbase. Excellent gallery.
It takes a big man to admit they are wrong, and I am not a big man.
JakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7 Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days ago) and read 1566 times:
Quoting JeffM (Reply 14): I agree with the others, zero interest.
Again, just an opinion. No-one can say with any certainty that this is a bad/boring image. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I'd definately rather look at something like this than the bog in the Saudi King's private 747.....
Psych From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 3008 posts, RR: 59 Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1533 times:
Great to see a debate like this on the Forum - far too little of this kind of discussion these days
I have to hold my hand up here and say I am a real fan of Ander's images - including the ones I have seen that have not made it on to the site. I am in the camp here who would far rather click on an aviation image such as this than the dreaded First Class seats etc. But I have learned those kind of seat/internal cabin shots are of interest to many people - just not me. Maybe if I was fortunate enough to be flying in the First Class cabin of an A380 I would then want to see one of these kind of photos, and thus would be glad that A.net hosted them. But as I am now, more 'photographically artistic' (if you will allow me to use that phrase) images will get my mouse moving.
There is something about aviation in this photo from Ander. As a layperson with an interest in aviation I know what my car tyre looks like at close quarters, but have no experience up close with a jet's tyre. Plus I see the motive Ander was suggesting with the chock - and the crop does not offend me because I like the distant wheel in the background.
The bottom line is that I admire people uploading this kind of photo and 'asking the question' whether a shot is acceptable, rather than assuming it won't be. If only that damned acceptance ratio issue did not effectively punish such 'thinking outside the box'. We need creativity or things will be static.
TimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 66 Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1531 times:
I'd like to chime in here one more time. We shouldn't make it look like we do not accept any gear/wheel shots because we do. We tend to go for more conventional crops, not to say that those are not fantastic images, a good example:
JakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7 Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1521 times:
What really is the difference between the two images though? In my opinion Tim the one you link to is the more boring. I think the 'out-of-the-box' thinking should be applauded, as well as rewarded (by acceptance).
In reference to Paul's post, yes, there are far too many 'blue sky and Boeing' shots, and that's actually my shot preference, although many will not like them. No, they aren't creative but they certainly aren't any less intriguing and are generally not, contrary to popular belief, any easier to capture than more creative images.
Each to their own, but I think this discussion should highlight the fact that many here would enjoy looking at shots such as Ander's. If people like looking at such images and if there's absolutely nothing wrong with them (I've heard 'bad crop' here - personal preference, who's qualified to say that?) then there should be a place waiting here (IMO). To me an aircraft toilet isn't really about aviation - it's essentially photographing a public loo, and I doubt many of us here would want to do that!
25 TimdeGroot: And many others wouldn't. A.net will always have its preference as will individuals. To me Dirk-Jan's image is much better than Ander's. That doesn't
26 JakTrax: I agree Tim, each to their own. I personally think A.net should be a little more flexible but that's obviously not down to you. I would like to quote
27 Ander: Agree on that Tim. IMHO a lot of clutter behind, thus the essence of the photo is spoiled by the background. In my photo I wanted to isolate any dist
28 TimdeGroot: About the toilets, we are rejecting many for motive and we've only let a hdn Of course not, I'm happy to discuss and explain as long as we keep it res
29 Psych: Good for you Tim. Can I just take the opportunity to raise one more point: In the 'old' days I would have understood this to mean Johan. Effectively