Vzlet From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 820 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2410 times:
I had the above picture rejected for category a while ago, but couldn't see anything wrong with the categories I had selected (DARK and PRIVATE). I enquired through a thread, but received only one response, from a non-screener. I then appealed it, explaining that it was taken 25 minutes before sunrise. The appeal was also rejected, but with this rather baffling comment:
"Dark is for images AFTER the sun has set and gone below the horizon."
That comment made me think something must have been misunderstood, so I emailed screeners@ airliners.net a week ago for clarification, but haven't yet received a reply. So, I'm trying again here. Is the Night/Dusk/Dawn category appropriate for this shot, or I am overlooking something else?
Shot details: ISO 100, 6 sec, f8, time 0637, local sunrise that day 0702.
Thanks,
Mark
"That's so stupid! If they're so secret, why are they out where everyone can see them?" - my kid
Dazbo5 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 2572 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2396 times:
The 'dark' catagory is for shots taken in complete darkness, which your shot isn't so the rejection was correct. Re-upload without 'dark' being marked and providing the quality is there (I'm on a laptop so can't comment), then you should be ok.
Darren
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Acontador From Chile, joined Jul 2005, 1392 posts, RR: 33 Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2366 times:
Hi Mark,
From what you are saying in this and the other thread, you selected DARK and PRIVATE categories.
DARK doesn't apply, as there is still enough natural light to cause some shadows. While the sun might be still not directly visible, it looks like it is certainly high enough to produce the (very nice) reflection on the fuselage.
I don't know what you put on the 'Airline' field, but if it was only 'Untitled', then PRIVATE should be OK; if you put 'Untitled (operator XYZ)', then it is not a privately owned aircraft and thus PRIVATE does not apply.
Hope it helps .
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Vzlet From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 820 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2290 times:
Quoting Acontador (Reply 2): DARK doesn't apply, as there is still enough natural light to cause some shadows. While the sun might be still not directly visible, it looks like it is certainly high enough to produce the (very nice) reflection on the fuselage.
From a logical standpoint, your reply makes perfect sense, Andres, but it clashes with the recently revised guidance for NIGHT/DUSK/DAWN on the upload page: "A photo shot when the sun is below the horizon." What's the sense of giving photographers criteria different from those the screeners are using? (And who, then, determines the content of the guidance on the upload page?)
I was happy to see the recent change to the night/dusk/dawn information because it seemed like the simplest, least ambiguous way to define it. If that definition isn't valid, however, then please just tell us what the real criteria are. It would be easier and less frustrating for everybody.
(And, Andres, I don't mean to make it sound like I'm jumping all over you! My reply is directed to the entire screening staff and to whomever provides the guidance on the upload page.)
-Mark
"That's so stupid! If they're so secret, why are they out where everyone can see them?" - my kid
Flynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2282 times:
Quoting Acontador (Reply 2): From what you are saying in this and the other thread, you selected DARK and PRIVATE categories.
DARK doesn't apply, as there is still enough natural light to cause some shadows. While the sun might be still not directly visible, it looks like it is certainly high enough to produce the (very nice) reflection on the fuselage.
I don't know what you put on the 'Airline' field, but if it was only 'Untitled', then PRIVATE should be OK; if you put 'Untitled (operator XYZ)', then it is not a privately owned aircraft and thus PRIVATE does not apply.
The sun looks "below the horizon" to me. Whether or not it casts any shadow wasn't part of the criteria. IMO, it qualifies as dark.
Vzlet From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 820 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2221 times:
Surely someone can shed light on this?
How should photographers decide if the night/dusk/dawn category is appropriate for a shot?
"That's so stupid! If they're so secret, why are they out where everyone can see them?" - my kid
Vzlet From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 820 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2163 times:
One last bump, hoping to find someone who's not reluctant to share the night/dusk/dawn rule with the people who are supposed to apply it...
"That's so stupid! If they're so secret, why are they out where everyone can see them?" - my kid
...was initially rejected because I selected night/dusk/dawn. Whereas on my previous simulator cockpit shots, also in a night/dusk visual scene, were accepted with that category.
Seems kind of ridiculous and excessively nit-picky to me. But alas, screeners are people too and are bound to make mistakes. I feel your pain, Mark.
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