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User currently offlineYXD172 From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 449 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3421 times:

Hello,

Sorry to bug you guys with yet another post about advice on what new camera to buy, but getting good advice on this is one of the main reasons that I joined A.net in the first place after a few years of peeping around the forums.

Anyways, I thought I might ask your opinions on a few specific features rather than just "which camera is better", as I know that there is rarely consensus on that. I'm looking for a basic DSLR, around $800 including lens, but up to $1000. I've been using an old Canon Powershot A70 for a few years and would like to get a bit more serious, as well as to be able to get better quality pictures. The camera that caught my attention is the Olympus E-510, as well as the Canon XTi/EOS 400D, but I'm open to almost any brand/model. What I was wondering is:

1) How important is the number of AF areas?

2) How useful is a 50mm F/1.8 prime? Does anyone know if this lens for $100 from Canon or Nikon is of good quality?

3) For those of you who use the 4/3 lens system, have you found it to have limitations compared to the Canon/Nikon systems?

4) Which is better, in-camera Image Stabilization or In-lens?

5) Is the automatic sensor dust-remover worth going for?

6) In terms of quality and speed, which is better -- CMOS sensors or CCD?

7) Also, is 'purple fringing' due to the lens or the body?

8) For those who have the E-510, what is your opinion on it? Worth getting?

9) I read somewhere that if I were to use a Full-frame lens on a 4/3 system (2x crop factor) the depth of field would be twice as much as if it were used on a full-frame system. ie. f/2 would become f/4. Is this true?

Lastly, is there any point in going for the kit lenses, or should I go for a better quality lens right away?

I think that that just about covers all that I can think of right now, I'm sure that I'll think of more to bug you with later.


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User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3303 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3410 times:
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Let me start out by listing my equipment.
Olympus E-500
Olympus (Zuiko) 14-45mm f3.5-5.6
Olympus (Zuiko) 40-150mm f3.5-4.5
Sigma 135-400mm f4.5-5.6

Quoting YXD172 (Thread starter):
1) How important is the number of AF areas?

Not very when considering entry-level DSLRs. More important is focusing speed, but with my camera I haven't found its speed to be an issue at all.

Quoting YXD172 (Thread starter):
3) For those of you who use the 4/3 lens system, have you found it to have limitations compared to the Canon/Nikon systems?

It doesn't have limitations except the massive 2x crop factor. This reduces quality slightly. The only other issue is the limited availability of cheap lenses. Glass tends to be quite expensive.

Quoting YXD172 (Thread starter):

4) Which is better, in-camera Image Stabilization or In-lens?

Different people will tell you different things, but a Canon salesman told me that Canon's in-lens IS gives you two stops of leeway, while Olympus' in-camera system can give you up to 5 stops depending on how good your hands are to begin with.

Quoting YXD172 (Thread starter):

5) Is the automatic sensor dust-remover worth going for?

Yes, definitely. I change lenses more than anyone else I know and I have never, ever, ever had a dustspot in an image with Olympus' cleaning system in use.

Quoting YXD172 (Thread starter):
6) In terms of quality and speed, which is better -- CMOS sensors or CCD?

CMOS is clearly better. This is where Olympus struggles a little bit, but, at the consumer level, it won't make a HUGE difference.

Quoting YXD172 (Thread starter):
8) For those who have the E-510, what is your opinion on it? Worth getting?

I have the E-500, not the E-510 but they are similar enough for me to comment here, I think. I got the camera initially for the price and the zoom kit lens. I was skeptical of the quality but I was very pleasantly surprised. The quality is very good, if only a TINY bit inferior compared to the Rebel XT my roommate uses. Its only issues are high-ISO grain, which renders images above ISO800 almost unusable unless you have a good noise reducing software. I love the feel in my hands. It is very solid and well-built.

Quoting YXD172 (Thread starter):
9) I read somewhere that if I were to use a Full-frame lens on a 4/3 system (2x crop factor) the depth of field would be twice as much as if it were used on a full-frame system. ie. f/2 would become f/4. Is this true?

No, this is not true. At least not as far as I know. I have never noticed anything like this and, in fact, an very happy with the amount of bokeh I get with the zoom lens.

Quoting YXD172 (Thread starter):

Lastly, is there any point in going for the kit lenses, or should I go for a better quality lens right away?

The 14-45mm kit lens I have is very good as an every-day walk-around lens. The zoom lens is quite good too, but I would recommend getting a higher-quality one if possible. If I were you, I would buy the E-510 body, the 12-60 f2.8 Olympus lens and the 70-300mm Olympus lens. This will probably put you over budget but will be very worth it, I think.

TIS



www.stellaryear.com: Canon EOS 50D, Canon EOS 5DMkII, Sigma 50mm 1.4, Canon 24-70 2.8L II, Canon 100mm 2.8L, Canon 100-4
User currently offlineKukkudrill From Malta, joined Dec 2004, 1123 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3380 times:



Quoting YXD172 (Thread starter):
9) I read somewhere that if I were to use a Full-frame lens on a 4/3 system (2x crop factor) the depth of field would be twice as much as if it were used on a full-frame system. ie. f/2 would become f/4. Is this true?

Depth of field depends only on lens aperture and focal length, and none of these three variables are affected by sensor size. Whether or not a lens is "full frame" does not affect its optics - this usually describes the lens mount compatibility.

The sensor size/crop factor means only that you need a shorter focal length to fill the frame with your subject, and this is what gives you more depth of field. But the difference between an Olympus DSLR (x2 crop factor) and entry-level Nikon and Canon equivalents (x1.5 or 1.6) is not that great.

Charles



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User currently offlineYXD172 From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3351 times:

Thank you both for your help. I have a feeling that I'll go for the Olympus, but I'm still open to any other suggestions that anyone may have. I think that I'll avoid the 12-60 f2.8 lens ($1000 for it alone), but I may consider the 70-300 lens in the future. Am I correct that it would give a 140-600mm equivalent zoom range?
Also, I don't have any good editing software, and I've heard of its importance from many members of this site. Since the full Photoshop C3 is way out of my price range, I'm thinking of either PS Elements or Corel Paint Shop Pro X2. Which one is better, overall?


Jon



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User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3303 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days ago) and read 3334 times:
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Quoting YXD172 (Reply 3):
Am I correct that it would give a 140-600mm equivalent zoom range?

Yes it would. If you're spending money on the Olympus 70-300, it may also be worth your time to look at the Sigma 135-400. A bit more expensive (550 US dollars) but much sharper and 200 extra mm of focal length. I am very pleased with it.

Quoting YXD172 (Reply 3):
Since the full Photoshop C3 is way out of my price range

It's not out of your range if you find it elsewhere than generally deemed acceptable. I wouldn't recommend it, because my roommate had major issues getting it to work, but there are working ones out there.

TIS



www.stellaryear.com: Canon EOS 50D, Canon EOS 5DMkII, Sigma 50mm 1.4, Canon 24-70 2.8L II, Canon 100mm 2.8L, Canon 100-4
User currently offlineJobu7282 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days ago) and read 3332 times:



Quoting YXD172 (Thread starter):
2) How useful is a 50mm F/1.8 prime? Does anyone know if this lens for $100 from Canon or Nikon is of good quality?

I have the Canon Lens and I have found many uses for it. You may however want to wait and get the 50mm 1.4 better optics but for like $80 Bucks on Amazon the 1.8 isn't bad.

You may want to think about the Xts I think it's called over the Xti. The new version of the rebel. I would go with Canon since they have been in the game longer.

I use a Canon 40D with 70-200mm 4 L but on my close shot from time to time I use the 50mm 1.8

Quoting YXD172 (Thread starter):
4) Which is better, in-camera Image Stabilization or In-lens?

Use a mono-pod and that will take out a lot of the shake.


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