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Creative Images, A Week After  
User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4670 posts, RR: 50
Posted (5 years 11 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3946 times:

It has been more than a week since Gary's announcement about the new creative rule and the pictures are starting to get in. Looking back at the shots accepted (I presume) under the new rule) I think it has been a good decision. Let's have a look:


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Photo © Martin Boschhuizen - AirTeamImages
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Photo © Tim De Groot - AirTeamImages




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Photo © Andreas Stoeckl
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Photo © Jeremy Katz
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Photo © Jurgen Radier


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Photo © Vasco Garcia (VDG-Images)
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Photo © Jonathan Derden - Spot This!




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Photo © Lukas Rösler
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Photo © Damien Dyer




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Photo © Vasco Garcia (VDG-Images)
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Photo © Gerard Isaacson




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Photo © Sandro Mederle
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Photo © Andrew Beckett




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Photo © Jeffwell
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Photo © Tony Marlow [Airplane-Pictures]



Some might not like all shots above, and some might not fall into the new category, but the direction is clear. Although Tim's first shot was much debated, some amazing photo's are now entering the database! Another observation I made looking for these shots is that they all had relatively high view numbers so obviously they are popular!


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User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3939 times:
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Yes we've seen some very good images, I'm sure there are more in the queue.

particularly the corfu one and gerard's shot are examples of what is possible now, we need some more radical stuff!

Tim



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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8968 posts, RR: 76
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3927 times:
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Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 1):
Yes we've seen some very good images,

That is true.

but I must say some users are not happy about this rule. They are frustrated why their picture doesn't fall under the new creative rule and others do. I am sure you headscreeners and screeners received a lot of emails about it.
I know it is hard to judge and to decide if a pic is creative or not. Problem with it is: some people think a shot is creative, others don't.
And I am sure this problem will be seen in the future as well.
I have a shot rejected as well. I think it got to the headscreeners because it might be a creative shot. But then it got rejected for 4 different "normal" reasons.
Does this mean it is just bad or is it not applying for the creative rule?

I hope we see some awesome shots here in the future. Some are really good.

WILCO737 (MD11F)
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User currently offlineEadster From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2216 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3919 times:

Jonathan's F-15 is just amazing!!

User currently offlineINNflight From Austria, joined Apr 2004, 3765 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 1 day ago) and read 3894 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 2):
They are frustrated why their picture doesn't fall under the new creative rule and others do.

Because lots of people think the tag "creative" can be applied to any photograph, just because it is different (read: maybe lower quality, or technically flawed).

Anyway, lets stay on topic:

More perfectly fine examples of the rule:


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Photo © Sebastian Fernandez Bielkiewicz - Iberian Spotters
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Photo © Nathan Bartlett




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User currently offlineDamien846 From UK - England, joined Dec 2006, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 23 hours ago) and read 3859 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 2):
but I must say some users are not happy about this rule. They are frustrated why their picture doesn't fall under the new creative rule and others do. I am sure you headscreeners and screeners received a lot of emails about it.
I know it is hard to judge and to decide if a pic is creative or not. Problem with it is: some people think a shot is creative, others don't.
And I am sure this problem will be seen in the future as well.
I have a shot rejected as well. I think it got to the headscreeners because it might be a creative shot. But then it got rejected for 4 different "normal" reasons.
Does this mean it is just bad or is it not applying for the creative rule?

I hope we see some awesome shots here in the future. Some are really good.

I put 4 shots in the queue and marked them as "Creative" but 3 were rejected for normal reason, which I don't have a problem with as once pointed out to me the quality was not there!
I guess photos even creative ones still need to be high quality?
I just glad one did get in! Thanks for the plug Jurgen  Wink
Lets hope we see many more shots!
Damien


User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 23 hours ago) and read 3850 times:
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Hi Guys

Yes creative shots need to be of high quality, with leniency for really difficult shots.

Also, there is no special screening process for "creative" shots and putting "creative" in the comments isn't going to give it special treatment.

We basically screen as normal. When we pick up on something different or "creative" the shot will be discussed by several screeners on artistic and technical merit and most likely in the end the headscreeners.

All shots including "creative" ones will be rejected for the regular reasons. Motive will be given if the shot doesnt fit our "creative" standards (which we are still developing)

I think the above are some good examples of what is possible. I'm sure many rejections will also show what is not possible. Yes there will be perceived inconsistencies and what we allow is what we as screeners like but there's no other way around it. We've taken a risky step and I think it's paying off. We knew there would be some inevitable frustrations from people who think their creative attempt deserve a place on a.net but were rejected.

Tim



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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8968 posts, RR: 76
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 23 hours ago) and read 3823 times:
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Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 6):
Yes there will be perceived inconsistencies and what we allow is what we as screeners like but there's no other way around it.

And I think that is the thing some user get frustrated about. Their picutes will be screened by personal measures from the screeners and not by "real" rules as it is done without the creative rule.
Of course, there is no other way at the moment.

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 6):
Motive will be given if the shot doesnt fit our "creative" standards (which we are still developing)

I hope these standards are set soon.

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 6):
I think the above are some good examples of what is possible.

Yeah, indeed awesome shots  thumbsup  And I am sure there are more to come.

WILCO737 (MD11F)
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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 3743 times:
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Quoting JRadier (Thread starter):
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Wow, I missed that one. That's one of the coolest shots I've seen in a long time.

I don't think there's ever been a more exciting time to check the daily additions to the database.

2H4



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User currently offlineChachu201 From New Zealand, joined Apr 2006, 857 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 15 hours ago) and read 3698 times:



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 8):
I don't think there's ever been a more exciting time to check the daily additions to the database.

I couldnt agree with you more, I've never done this before, but now I do so on a regular basis.


User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4964 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 3648 times:

I think some of the shots are amazing (although correct me if I'm wrong but a few of the above would have been acceted regardless of creative?). I'm still disturbed by a few points regarding the new rule, especially because of the inconsisitencies that we will see, which are a logic effect of the new rule, since creativity is subjective to whoever is looking at it and I'm afraid it's going to be tough to have all screeners think the same about some of these shots. I guess we'll have to wait and see, but as I said, some of these shots are truly amazing and are a treat to watch Big grin

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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4670 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 3623 times:

And two more shots that were brought to my attention


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Photo © Florian Trojer - AirTeamImages




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User currently offlineSovietjet From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2003, 2578 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 3606 times:
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Nice shots. However I think the second one is not so much creative as it is absolutely stunning in terms of visible effects.

User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5678 posts, RR: 45
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 3606 times:
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This is in my opinion one of the biggest steps forward for Anet since I have been a member.. or longer. Some great work surfacing and looking forward to more.

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 6):
"creative" standards (which we are still developing)

Not sure how you achieve that, like to think you won't try too hard, that will only defeat the purpose.

Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 7):
And I think that is the thing some user get frustrated about. Their picutes will be screened by personal measures from the screeners and not by "real" rules as it is done without the creative rule.

I think as long as feedback by the community on the accepted images stays constructive and some share their rejections in a constructive way there will always be a guide for the screening team that they are on the right track(or not).

Cheers

Chris



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User currently offlineCodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 3579 times:



Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 6):
Yes creative shots need to be of high quality, with leniency for really difficult shots.

Sorry, but one of the shots presented in this thread wouldn't be accepted even as 'standard'. Nevertheless creative has a future.

KS/codeshare



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 3576 times:

Hard to disagree that shot with the Canada Geese is quicly becoming my favorite on this site!

User currently offlineBmiBaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1798 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 12 hours ago) and read 3545 times:

Some excellent images are appearing online; it's brilliant to see Airliners.net growing!

Am I correct in saying that under certain circumstances that Black & White images are now allowed on Airliners.net. If they work well with the image?

bmi


User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months ago) and read 3451 times:

Hey guys,

Well I had my first creative accepted today.....

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Ameri...lines/Boeing-767-323-ER/1390544/M/

I felt very uneasy about it as no official rules have yet been written with regard to creatives. I guess you have to go with your instincts.

Anyway, this new criteria has made me want to be more creative and I shall continue to look for new and different opportunities.

Congrat's to the team for evolving the site further.

Karl


User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3403 times:
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here's some more


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Photo © Luis Rosa




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Photo © Javier Gonzalez - Iberian Spotters




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Photo © YU Ming




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Photo © Jeffwell




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Photo © Martin Boschhuizen - AirTeamImages



On top of that the queue is below 3000 now!



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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8968 posts, RR: 76
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3400 times:
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Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 24):

 thumbsup  Awesome pictures. I like the sunset shot most.

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 24):
On top of that the queue is below 3000 now!

if you continue to shorten the queue like that, then we have instant accepts or rejections. You upload a picture and receive a decision with an hour  eyepopping 
Excellent job guys.

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User currently offlineDamien846 From UK - England, joined Dec 2006, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3403 times:

Here are a few more.
These are great...
I'm guessing we are all looking trough are old photos to see what we can upload? (i am).

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Photo © Kevin Scott



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Photo © Martin Boschhuizen - AirTeamImages


Sorry if I have missed anyones!


User currently offlineSovietjet From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2003, 2578 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3372 times:
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Some nice pictures. I got several in the queue right now, hopefully some make it.

User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3312 times:



Quoting Je89_w (Reply 22):
Considering the airline photographed, I'm a little surprised you said that!

LOL! Well, I'd prefer the Air Line be properly documented here on A.net.  Smile


User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4670 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3231 times:

Guys, this is not the pre-screen thread.


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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12394 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3103 times:
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Quoting JRadier (Reply 26):
Guys, this is not the pre-screen thread.

Yes, please don't use this thread for pre-screening. Even "creative" shots should use the pre-screen thread.

Thanks.  camera 



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25 Flynavy : Agreed. Now if we could only get the screeners to pre-screen we'd be set. Just kidding, of course.
26 Post contains links and images TimdeGroot : View Large View MediumPhoto © Nils U. View Large View MediumPhoto © Jason Pineau View Large View MediumPhoto © Karl Drage not really cr
27 Post contains links and images Sovietjet : Well, here is my first "creative" shot accepted(shameless self plug): View Large View MediumPhoto © Ivan Voukadinov - BGspotters
28 Post contains links and images LH526 : Same here! View Large View MediumPhoto © M C E Freese
29 StealthZ : Gonna be a bit of a wet blanket here... I am seeing lots of images that would not have made Anet in the past due to infractions of various rules such
30 Samuel32 : I remember the days where I wasn't a photographer and checked a.net. There are the shots the non-photographers LOVE to see. The Quality has not been c
31 Post contains links and images JRadier : And another (imho) great use of the new creative rule: View Large View MediumPhoto © Tim De Groot - AirTeamImages
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