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User currently offlineAKE0404AR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2535 posts, RR: 47
Posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5290 times:

Maybe I am a bit spoiled with the average of plus 6000 hits / picture.

Lately something has gone severely wrong:

321 and counting for the latest addition (after roughly 24hrs).....not the most spectacular shot, but still......


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4 of the latest uploads accumulated a total of 3582 views! Unbelievable low number, if you ask me.

Maybe it's time to do something else?????

V.

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User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined exactly 12 years ago today! , 3674 posts, RR: 65
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5263 times:
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Quoting AKE0404AR (Thread starter):
Maybe it's time to do something else?????

You only do this for the hits? Wink

have to say I would not see any of these pictures do thousands of hits except maybe the last one which is different, then again you never know. I've uploaded stuff I thought would do well and it got 1000 hits. I've uploaded a few I thought would not ammount to much and they've did 20K.

There's no denying hits are lower than what they once were but things are still slowly improving. Up until a few weeks ago it was much worse.

Part of the fix will be a full db rewrite that will ensure a stable site (many hits are now lost due to missing links, photos not appearing etc), the other part will be slowly getting a portion of the visitors back who once left here. There are exciting new things coming to make that happen.

Just hang in there, I am positive we will get back on track and beyond in the very near future.

Tim



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User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1562 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5200 times:



Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 1):
Just hang in there, I am positive we will get back on track and beyond in the very near future.

I agree with you, but you guys have been saying that for over a year now with little to no progress. Still, I don't do it for the hits, and I don't think most people do...



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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4741 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5177 times:
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Quoting Whappeh (Reply 2):
I agree with you, but you guys have been saying that for over a year now with little to no progress.

In the past year, we have had promises of exciting new changes for the benefit of the site and community, but when changes have been made, the community has felt let down and in most cases angered to some degree. Let's hope what Tim is refering to will in fact be positive.

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 1):
You only do this for the hits?

For me, hits do play a role. It takes a considerable amount of effort to not only get photos accepted, but to become an established contributor to the database. After getting over the personal gratification of such accomplishments, knowing that my photos are being seen by others is definitely a plus.



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User currently offlineThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2061 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5165 times:
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Hey Vasco,

I think there's nothing to worry about. Some photos score big, some don't. All in all I too do believe that the views are not quite back where they were but that's something that's pretty difficult to influence anyway. I'm sure that with your quality work you'll score big again in no time!  Smile

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 2):
Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 1):
Just hang in there, I am positive we will get back on track and beyond in the very near future.

I agree with you, but you guys have been saying that for over a year now with little to no progress.

That I simply can't agree with; the site has improved a lot over the last months both optically and functionally. Also the views are far better than still a few months ago and they surely will improve further.

Thierry



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User currently offlineIL76 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2004, 2237 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5151 times:

Hits skyrocket as soon as your picture is in the 5 pictures on top of the homepage (by the 100's instead of single digit increments). Other than that it goes very slow.

I also noticed that as your photo is climbing the top-of-the-day section, sometimes it's simply not there. You're on page 10 at some point, suddenly your photo is nowhere to be found and then 5 minutes later you pop up again (on page 9, if you're lucky  Smile ).


User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4963 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5146 times:



Quoting ThierryD (Reply 4):
That I simply can't agree with; the site has improved a lot over the last months both optically and functionally. Also the views are far better than still a few months ago and they surely will improve further.

No doubt that things are much, much better, but I think that when exciting new things were announced to be added to a.net, those things were less than exciting and a lot of damage was done. After a lot of concern by many members a real effort could be seen by the crew to get things back on track. I think some people might be worried at what those exciting new things might be this time  Wink
(however I don't think DM will make the same mistakes again, so as far as I'm concerned I think everything will be ok)

regards  Smile



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User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined exactly 12 years ago today! , 3674 posts, RR: 65
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5140 times:
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let me tell you there are Exciting! (for lack of a better term) changes coming. Stability and scaleability are first though and that has taken much longer than expected, it happens.

I'm not in the position to give timeframes but sooner rather than later you should see some things starting to appear.

Tim



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5126 times:



Quoting Whappeh (Reply 2):
and I don't think most people do...

You would be surprised.

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 3):
For me, hits do play a role. It takes a considerable amount of effort to not only get photos accepted, but to become an established contributor to the database. After getting over the personal gratification of such accomplishments, knowing that my photos are being seen by others is definitely a plus

Well said Ryan.


User currently offlineWalter2222 From Belgium, joined Sep 2005, 1292 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5117 times:



Quoting AKE0404AR (Thread starter):
4 of the latest uploads accumulated a total of 3582 views! Unbelievable low number, if you ask me.

Look at it from another viewpoint: there is still a huge potential, a huge amount of people that have not yet clicked on your photos!  Smile ... and looking at it this way, it doesn't matter whether your shot has 1K hits or 20K hits, the potential of non-clickers remains roughly the same!

Seriously now, getting huge number of hits is always nice!

Quoting IL76 (Reply 5):
Hits skyrocket as soon as your picture is in the 5 pictures on top of the homepage

 checkmark  That's very true, and in most cases it depends on the "competition" whether the shot gets there or not... Your shots may be good, but when there are a couple of shots from new c/s, or from recent accidents, then the top 5 is difficult to reach!

Quoting ThierryD (Reply 4):
the site has improved a lot over the last months both optically and functionally

Indeed, and also the uploaded shots and the discussions have improved!

Best regards,

Walter



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User currently offlineKarlADrage From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5092 times:



Quoting IL76 (Reply 5):
also noticed that as your photo is climbing the top-of-the-day section, sometimes it's simply not there. You're on page 10 at some point, suddenly your photo is nowhere to be found and then 5 minutes later you pop up again (on page 9, if you're lucky

I see this a lot too. It's as if every section of the site (even pages within the same section) is looking at different snapshots of the database, all taken at slightly different times.



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User currently offlineKereru From New Zealand, joined Jun 2003, 873 posts, RR: 47
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5005 times:

Hi Vasco,

I am surprised at your comment as I thought in recent weeks my total hits had improved quite a bit and most of my shots are of GA aircraft. I have just clicked over a modest 4 Million and didn't expect that till nearer Christmas. They do seem to start off quite low and then pick up after a few days and as others have said the ones I think will do well don't and the others that look less appealing excel. Hopefully the site is over the major hurdles and will start to improve in the next few months. I am no expert in IT but have had my fair share of experience in industry and found it usually (not always) takes twice as long as expected to remedy any hiccups along the way back to a smooth running system. We can only look forward to a brighter more rewarding future. Keep up the good work Vasco I for one enjoy your contributions and I am sure many others do too.

Cheers,

Colin  old 



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User currently offlineAdamWright From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4953 times:

Damn, I can't believe a photographer is coming in here bitching about not getting enough hits..

There isn't a rule that says you're gonna get a sh*t-ton of hits. Suck it up and be a man about it.

-Adam


User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4963 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4913 times:



Quoting AdamWright (Reply 12):
Damn, I can't believe a photographer is coming in here bitching about not getting enough hits..

That was a HUGE reason of complaints by many members when the problems started a few months ago. If he is used to having many more hits, IMO its ok to ask if something is wrong. Maybe posting his own pictures is not ideal, but the question is valid.

just my 2c  Smile



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4879 times:



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 13):
IMO its ok to ask if something is wrong. Maybe posting his own pictures is not ideal, but the question is valid.

Little belated though, this has been old news and has been discussed. Tim made a good point it has been improving.


User currently offlineGoBoeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2679 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4879 times:



Quoting AdamWright (Reply 12):
Damn, I can't believe a photographer is coming in here bitching about not getting enough hits..

There isn't a rule that says you're gonna get a sh*t-ton of hits. Suck it up and be a man about it.

Yeah really.

Vasco -

To use myself as an example I only clicked on one of the four photos you linked because I was simply not interested in the other three.

Everyone has different aviation interests -- to me, one picture is of a plane I've seen enough pictures of from lots of angles, another looks like the area in the jogging scene from Space Odyssey 2001, and the other has a lot of old men's bald heads with a Russian plane I think is ugly.

So you see, it is not your skills as a photographer that deterred me, but rather I was simply not interested in the subjects.

That pan shot is great. I like it a lot.


User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4963 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4850 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):
Little belated though, this has been old news and has been discussed. Tim made a good point it has been improving

I agree, but on the other hand that's what a forum is for, to ask questions  Smile



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User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2733 posts, RR: 34
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4835 times:



Quoting GoBoeing (Reply 15):
To use myself as an example I only clicked on one of the four photos you linked because I was simply not interested in the other three.

Funny you should say that, I only clicked on one also.

The photos are great, but in all of the photos on A.net that I ever see, in small form (thumbnail), I only click on about 5%, just because most of the time what I see in the thumbnail is enough of a view for me. Clicking larger is unnecessary because I already can see what I want, and those 5% there is something that I cannot see clearly in the thumbnail, or am curious as to the subject. I have photos that I thought would be big hitters that did nothing, and average photos that would pull 1-2k views. It's impossible to predict views, or even guesstimate what views you may get, just because of current events, and even an artistic photo may get a low hit count because the subject doesn't appeal to many viewers, there is a multitude of reasons. Vasco, be happy your photos are getting accepted  Smile Lately, the only people seeing my photos are the screeners, then they don't go any further than that.  Wink

You have some serious talent Vasco, I have trouble keeping my 75-300 steady on panning shots at 1/75, can't imagine a 600 at 1/25, don't let the unpredictable view counts cloud your mind.

-Matt



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User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4833 times:

Chop a whole nose and tail section off and call it an artistic photo, people will click on it, if for nothing at all, sheer amazement it was accepted in the first place.   

[Edited 2008-09-25 21:25:43]

User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4820 times:



Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 18):
Chop a whole nose and tail section off and call it an artistic photo, people will click on it, if for nothing at all, sheer amazement it was accepted in the first place.

....don't forget to put it off center and OOF....  Smile


User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4963 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4809 times:



Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 18):
Chop a whole nose and tail section off and call it an artistic photo, people will click on it, if for nothing at all, sheer amazement it was accepted in the first place



Quoting JeffM (Reply 19):
....don't forget to put it off center and OOF....

 rotfl   rotfl 



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User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 64
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4767 times:
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Quoting GoBoeing (Reply 15):
Vasco -

To use myself as an example I only clicked on one of the four photos you linked because I was simply not interested in the other three.

Everyone has different aviation interests -- to me, one picture is of a plane I've seen enough pictures of from lots of angles, another looks like the area in the jogging scene from Space Odyssey 2001, and the other has a lot of old men's bald heads with a Russian plane I think is ugly.

So you see, it is not your skills as a photographer that deterred me, but rather I was simply not interested in the subjects.

That pan shot is great. I like it a lot.

Apart from some words I actually was going to post this last night..............have you hacked into my account  Smile

Let's just enjoy taking photographs and showing them to everyone rather than getting hung up on hits!

Regards

Gary


User currently offlineSulman From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2035 posts, RR: 33
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4737 times:

I looked at the pan shot, it's a cracker. The others didn't really do anything for me. It's easy to fall into the trap of believing that your hard work = interesting for others. You may have maxed your contacts and networking to get access, stretched your gear, optics and beat the conditions to nail the shot, but unfortunately it doesn't mean anyone wants to look at the result.

Don't worry about it, just keep on trucking.


James



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User currently offlinePsych From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 3043 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4733 times:
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Hi Vasco.

No doubt the view counters don't look like they used to in the old days. I accept that things are looking up compared to the dark days a few months ago - if a photo is atypical in a notable way it is likely to attract attention or if you are lucky (for one of a multitude of reasons) and your shot makes it to the front page, then the hits still come.

For someone like me, who has limited opportunities for novel motives and, I guess, produces the kind of photos that many will have seen from me before, then the reason for clicking to open them up gets less and less, as described by colleagues above. I recently had few photos accepted with a close up motive that I particularly like. In the old days these shots always attracted four figure views, but now I get only a few hundred. But I still like the motive, so I offer them up to the screeners.

My attitude to hits has changed somewhat - if people don't choose to open up my fantastic images then that is their loss  biggrin . Joking aside - like acceptance ratios - hits should not necessarily be seen as any indication of a photo's (or its photographer's) quality/competence. I would like to see less emphasis on statistics like these on the site.

All the best.

Paul


User currently offlineAKE0404AR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2535 posts, RR: 47
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4722 times:

Do I care about hits? Not necessarily, do I care about exposure? Yes I do care, so for some reason it goes hand in hand.

Back in the old days, it was all about aviation. No hit counters etc......no Top of whatever. The game has changed, so has the attitude......



Quoting AdamWright (Reply 12):
Damn, I can't believe a photographer is coming in here bitching about not getting enough hits..

There isn't a rule that says you're gonna get a sh*t-ton of hits. Suck it up and be a man about it.

Thanks Adam for your comment. Much appreciated!

Hits, clicks or whatever you want to call it, are at an all time low (for me at least). Just looking for the root cause.

V.


25 TimdeGroot : I've found initial hits are lower than what they were a few months ago but they add up more quickly afterwards. I'm suprised to see many older stuff g
26 Post contains images NIKV69 : Yea there is no way they can actually like the photo huh Chad? You should give the people that visit the site a little more credit. Not everyone want
27 GOCAPS16 : Vasco, you have some awesome shots from Boston back in the days, which everyone loves. But, honestly, your last 4 are just plain boring, especially t
28 AC888YOW : Why does someone caring about hits make them a weirdo? The immediate reaction when someone makes a post about hits is "You do this for the hits!?!?!?
29 JeffM : Just follow the trail of change backwards....it will point you directly to the cause.
30 Granite : Hey Vasco I opened up your AN124 image. For once you are standing at the back and not blocking everyones view Regards Gary
31 EZEIZA : correct. Some care about the hits, some don't, where is the problem? Let the guy ask about the hits without flaming him!
32 Post contains images 9VSPO : I bet you're not as shocked as I was when I went to the airport today and saw this.
33 Jderden777 : No need to take a pic of an aircraft at all, just upload a shadow....
34 UA935 : So you met up with the infamous NIKV69 out shooting today?
35 Relic : Hi I thought aviation photographers did this because they loved this hobby.Sharing your photos around the world on Anet is great ,but i have never got
36 Sulman : I think that's Royal's rental car. He digs twin airbags.
37 MAIZNBLU_757 : I forgot about that one. Nice, I hit a sore spot... so I will continue shooting and uploading fighters from Nellis just to piss you off. So the scree
38 NIKV69 : LOL, no Chad you didn't. I simply used that example to destroy your lame argument since you (much like Jeff) loathe Tim and the fact his shots are mo
39 Post contains links and images UA935 : What are you going on about Nik? Just look at the numbers:- Tims most popular shot has 137357 views View Large View MediumPhoto © Tim de Groot -
40 Maiznblu_757 : I dont think you or anyone else has a clue really, but if you must know, my backlog is huge so I really do not need to camp out there, additionally I
41 Post contains images Silver1SWA : So that's where I left her! Signed, 99% of a.net
42 Maiznblu_757 : and for the record, Tim's whole anet portfolio is one that he should be very proud of. No pun intended.
43 Spencer : Honestly, Vasco has a valid point considering it is something that he's curious about. So why not ask! The whole spotting and photography thing has ch
44 NIKV69 : Well after you insulted everyone that clicked on Tim's landing light shot why should we be any different? Of course we don't Chad! Not interested Cha
45 Granite : Hi all Can we get back to Vasco's original question and cut the Chad v Nik LoveFest. Regards Gary
46 NIKV69 : I think Tim put that to bed. I think we all are seeing our shots get less hits than before the takeover. I think it has been a variety of different r
47 Bruce : I've noticed this too. There's a severe difference between regular photos and those on the top of the homepage! Just last night, I had a 727 cockpit
48 JeffM : ...better make it just a small job... Isn't it funny how those that can't get access to Nellis any day of the week find the photos from there boring?
49 NIKV69 : Never said his photos were boring. Unless of course you would like to find it and quote it. Just merely pointing out that people do actually want to
50 UA935 : Really? Maybe you should try because your hits say otherwise!
51 NIKV69 : 2100 average views? Outside the fence? Not so bad from where I sit pal. Then again I thought it wasn't about the hits?
52 Eksath : 7000 hits for the last top of 24hrs of mine...kinda of low compared to last year and before when this was in the 15K PLUS range. Atleast a decrease of
53 Chukcha : I've written about it here a couple of times before, but each time it was somehow overlooked and totally ignored; the argument just went on... Well,
54 KarlADrage : The "synching" of pages seems to be way out this morning. There are some images appearing on consecutive pages of the most popular of the last 24 hrs
55 Skidmarks : Wish people would stop taking pics of my g/f while I'm spotting!! Whatever people say, or think, I post pictures here (when I can get them through th
56 Viv : I agree with this assessment.
57 KarlADrage : There's been a marked 'boost' in views today with the top 30 shots all having more than 700 views at present!
58 Psych : I wonder how many views are lost by the bane of the site at the moment - the page freezing completely, bringing up a tiny smudged box, or the dreaded
59 ThierryD : Paul, I'm browsing a lot of photos per day but rarely have an issue this concerning (maybe 1-2 per 75 photos I open); if you have detailed informatio
60 KarlADrage : My own experiences mirror Paul's. Still getting a huge amount of database error messages, ranging from sorry we could not find any images that match
61 ThierryD : Thanks for the feedback Karl; I'd just ask you to please send such findings to our support address (support@airliners.net) as this way all the crew w
62 Brettdespain : Yes it has, but your stuff still rocks buddy! Well, said Paul. Me too. Both of you guys do excellent work. Best Regards to you both. Brett
63 Cpd : Agree. I had one get on and 1400 or 1500 hits in a day. It helps if you photograph A380s though.
64 Sunandan : "Hits should not necessarily be seen as any indication of a photo's (or its photographer's) quality/competence. I would like to see less emphasis on s
65 Cpd : What you'd highlighted here is just the general way the internet works. If something is buried and hard to find - (which some photos are - yes, I'm b
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