Kugakt From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 40 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5526 times:
I took some photos at Manchester Airport the other week, I could see the aviation park in front of me, i was on an embankment. I just wonder which is the best lense to use for this position as when uploading an image thye said was too much space in the picture. I am hoping to go this weekend to try again so any advice would be appreciated.
JakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4735 posts, RR: 8 Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5497 times:
I'm assuming you were standing atop an area commonly known as 'the mounds', which are opposite the AVP by the side of (and very close to) the runway 23L threshold?
To help you decide, here's one of my pic's from there...
If this is the place the best lens is something like a 28-135, although I use a 28-105 (used for the above image) which gets right in on anything but the smallest of light aircraft. Even a bigger lens (my 70-200 for instance) can produce good results here, however anything larger than a 737 and you'll struggle for side-on shots.
Always try and zoom in as close as you can to your subject, but avoid being ultra-close as if the final shot is unlevel you'll have very little room to crop. If you find yourself with too much space either side of the aircraft you must crop (after any necessary levelling), but obviously cropping reduces quality so excessive cropping may render the image useless.
Kugakt From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 40 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5474 times:
Thanks for the reply Karl. That is the spot where i was standing. Using a 18-55 which came with the camera, and a 70-300. Ill have to try cropping if not quite tight enough.
Ive just bought a 170-500mm, is there a good spot to use this lens?
Ill give it a go over the weekend and see if i get better results. Ill check the forecasrt to check the better day.
Karl, I think I saw you the other week, on a Sunday at the AVP. I was on one of the mounds, young lad with a Sigma 70-300 strapped to my 400D. Were you using a 70-200 F4 L?
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JakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4735 posts, RR: 8 Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5440 times:
Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 4): Karl, I think I saw you the other week, on a Sunday at the AVP. I was on one of the mounds, young lad with a Sigma 70-300 strapped to my 400D. Were you using a 70-200 F4 L?
Are you trying to say I'm old?!
Yes, that would have been me. Scruffy looking (when I shoot at the airport anyway!), usually in trackies 'n' flip-flops... and maybe a hat.
I've been up to MAN the past three Sundays, so which one are you referring to? Was it the evening the Europe Airpost came out? You'll have to introduce yourself next time, I'm not as grumpy as I look!
Quoting Kugakt (Reply 3): Thanks for the reply Karl. That is the spot where i was standing. Using a 18-55 which came with the camera, and a 70-300. Ill have to try cropping if not quite tight enough.
Ive just bought a 170-500mm, is there a good spot to use this lens?
18-55 is fine from the mounds for anything A321 or bigger - for smaller types the 70-300 will be better. Shouldn't be too much of a problem lens-swapping 'cause you can see what's crossing for departure well before it gets within range of your lens.
As for your 170-500, did you not do any research before buying it? Is it a good lens because you need to be really careful with that sort of focal lentgh range? At MAN such a lens will seldom be useful if you plan to simply shoot side-ons, however it will come into it's own for more creative shots.
On a last note, the first two replies were both from other 'Karls with a K' and I also see you're from Stoke, just like me! Strange world........
Daleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 15 Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5394 times:
Quoting JakTrax (Reply 5): Are you trying to say I'm old?!
Yes, that would have been me. Scruffy looking (when I shoot at the airport anyway!), usually in trackies 'n' flip-flops... and maybe a hat.
I've been up to MAN the past three Sundays, so which one are you referring to? Was it the evening the Europe Airpost came out? You'll have to introduce yourself next time, I'm not as grumpy as I look!
It was that evening yes, but I left before the Europe Airpost departed, saw it arrive though!
I will introduce myself if I see you again! You need to stop climbing on the mound fence though The rangers wouldn't be happy!
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I guess you have it already? I must admit, I didn't have it despite the fact that they've been in quite a bit lately. Seemed to miss them every time for some reason!
Anyway, might soon be able to put a face to the name.
Kugakt From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 40 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5353 times:
Im lost here on whos who.
I researched the lens a little, didnt really buy it for using on the mounds opposite AVP, hopefully will be able to use it, for creative shots, well see.
Ill perhaps try and go over the weekend and try. Ill stick with 18-55 and 70-300mm at the mounds. The 170-500 was more affordable than perhaps 50-500mm.
Did you ask me about being there on a sunday or someone else?
A small world to see Karl with a k from Stoke. Do you get to man much?
Daleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 15 Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5337 times:
Quoting JakTrax (Reply 7): I guess you have it already? I must admit, I didn't have it despite the fact that they've been in quite a bit lately. Seemed to miss them every time for some reason!
I'm not really one to go to the airport for one particular aircraft, mainly due to the fact I live 30 miles away and i'm a poor student who can't afford the petrol If I have a spare tenner or so, I'll pop down.
I enjoy going on a Sunday whilst recovering from the night before, although I do wait till I'm sober before i set off, still feel ill though!
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JakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4735 posts, RR: 8 Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5297 times:
Quoting Kugakt (Reply 8): Did you ask me about being there on a sunday or someone else?
A small world to see Karl with a k from Stoke. Do you get to man much?
Nah, was asking Daleaholic - confusing I know!
I get to MAN very frequently - in fact I've just got back from there as I type this. I'm from Werrington, what about you?
Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 9): I'm not really one to go to the airport for one particular aircraft, mainly due to the fact I live 30 miles away and i'm a poor student who can't afford the petrol If I have a spare tenner or so, I'll pop down.
I enjoy going on a Sunday whilst recovering from the night before, although I do wait till I'm sober before i set off, still feel ill though!
Try living 35 miles away!
I know the feeling about Saturday nights and Sunday mornings, by the way!
Jid From Barbados, joined Dec 2004, 960 posts, RR: 35 Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5296 times:
Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 9): I'm not really one to go to the airport for one particular aircraft, mainly due to the fact I live 30 miles away and i'm a poor student who can't afford the petrol
Try using a pushbike like me! Saying that I only live 4miles away from the triangle Not sure I could do 30 miles without stopping at a pub.
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JakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4735 posts, RR: 8 Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5277 times:
Yeah, it wasn't too bad a morning - patches of blue, patches of cloud; very on and off. Photographed a SAS Braathens 734 which I've not seen before but apart from that traffic was pretty pedestrian - and very slow! The Libyan was expected as an A320 but, as usual, turned up as the regular CRJ-900.
Daleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 15 Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5275 times:
Quoting Jid (Reply 11): Try using a pushbike like me!
What the hell is a 'pushbike'...
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Considering there is usually a MAN meet each year anyway, it is usually more of a social event that photography, was thinking it might be quite good to have a photographers meet maybe?
We could start off in the morning southside, then round to the AVP for a while, down to the Airport Pub and back round to southside at 3... Just a thought
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JakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4735 posts, RR: 8 Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5273 times:
Well me and my cronies will be there Saturday morning for the Finnair retro so maybe that'd be a good time for a photographer meet. Pre-10:00 in Joe's field, then to the mounds, then back to Joe's; knock off at 14:00, zoom to the pub for a pint or 20, then north-side after 16:00.
Sole aircraft painted in this '50s livery to celebrate Finnair's birthday. It's due tomorrow (Sat) at 09:20, out at 10:30.
Joe's Field is opposite the Airport Hotel pub and can be reached via Moss Lane. Very good place for shooting arrivals on 23R (from sunrise until about 14:00). Example shot...
Kugakt From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 40 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5210 times:
Thanks for the info, perhaps try there sumtime.
Anotherone i wanted to ask was where is north side?
Also does the Airport Pub give a good photo chance or fences/ walls/ glass whatever there too high? Sorry for my ignorance but cant really say ive been for quite a number of years.
JakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4735 posts, RR: 8 Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5207 times:
The north side spots are the pub garden (it's pretty good for landing shots but useless for departures), the T3 car-park and the viewing park. There are also other spots on the north side of runway 23L/05R, although these locations sit to the south of 23R/05L.
Basically, the sun is good for the south side (Joe's field, the mounds, the triangle etc.) from sunrise until about 14:00 and for the north side after about 16:30 (not good in winter!).
Daleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 15 Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5176 times:
Karl, where do you park when you go to Joe's field? I stupidly parked on the corner infront of the chevrons last time and the coppers were ready to tow it away. They blew their sirens though and I just got a talking to.
I didn't see anywhere else though as it's all solid white lines round there...
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Jid From Barbados, joined Dec 2004, 960 posts, RR: 35 Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 5155 times:
Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 23): where do you park when you go to Joe's field?
If you are heading to the muddy path park on the right just before you get to the 2 sharp 'S' bends then go over the style.
Off to the mounds now to see this silver blue thing.
Jid
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25 JakTrax: Been to the mounds to see that silver blue thing........ Jid, are you sure we're talking about the same place here? And Daleaholic, what chevrons? Dr
26 Kugakt: I managed to find the mounds today, drove down Moss Lane then ventured through the fields towards the moody road where brings you to some mounds, Bloo
27 Daleaholic: Thought it might be easier if I give you a picture... The grass verges you talk about, are they to the right in this picture?
28 JakTrax: Well I'm not surprised the police got irritated, as that's someone's driveway! You're best parking on the verge, more-or-less where your arrow points.
29 Kugakt: Yeah i arrived as it was leaving, got a couple of shots of it. There was quite a few people at the mounds. Anyone uploaded there photos for processing
36 Daleaholic: Not seen you around these parts for ages! Welcome back... Headed down to MAN this afternoon after going to that new photography exhibition at The Low
37 JakTrax: Hey guys, Here's my Finnair retro, in the queue..... http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/OH-LVE_MAN_181008_KN.JPG Hope you all got it nicely!
38 Psych: Hello Karl. Nice to meet you yesterday. As you might guess from me, my version of this aircraft will be level with the wheels and on the turn - not th
39 JakTrax: Yeah, nice to put a face to the name now Paul. I've met quite a few photog's from here recently but there's still several I've not met yet. Seems stra
40 Psych: I have tried to get copyright on it anyway, but without success . No problem with the fence or wheels. Though the low perspective for the Tango inter
41 Jid: It is always interesting to compare 'similar' shots taken form the same place. Here is my effort at the retro-jet. http://www.airliners.net/addphotos
42 Kugakt: Sorry to be asking questions again lol. Whats the Worm Eyes mean? By the way great pictures of Finnair. What lense and focal length were used?
44 Daleaholic: Oh and here's my effort from yesterday, best I could do with the rubbish weather! http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/EI_DEK_MAN_19_10_2008.j
45 Kugakt: I really like you Air Lingus shot, got that sense of speed behind it.
46 Daleaholic: Cheers, The weather was awful and most of my shots were coming out dark so I decided to use TV for a bit on 1/80 and it came up trumps. Must say, I'm
47 JakTrax: For mine I used the EF70-200 F4 L @ 70mm. Aperture F8, shutter 1/400, ISO100, centre-weighted metering, centre focus point only, 0 stop comp. Regards
48 Psych: This made me smile! Many moons ago I ventured away from the famous mound at Manchester, where most viewers congregate, through the undergrowth to a s
49 Kugakt: Thanks for the info. Ill try different settings than the standard camera setting of landscape, etc. Is it best to shoot in JPG L or Raw. Where abouts
50 JakTrax: Ideally RAW is better as you can fiddle about with many parameters post-capture. It is a common myth that RAW is the best quality, when in reality it
51 Kugakt: Well i set off from Stoke just after 9 this morning looking forward to a couple of hours at the airport, sun was shining until i approached the tunnel
52 Jid: I have thought about this many times but can't seem to get past the Bull's Head in Mobberley when I head out at night!
53 JakTrax: Not enough light on the mounds at night - either you'd need to come up with something very creative or you'd need one helluva flash!!!! Karl
54 Daleaholic: Can't say I fancy walking that long road from Moss lane on my own at night... Flash would also attract a LOT of attention, you'd need a good excuse t
55 JakTrax: Hey, if the sun's shining chances are I'll be there! Was gonna go out today but not much of interest, apart from this evening's Skyservice A330-300 w
56 Kugakt: Where do you get your info as to what aircraft are due in ?
57 JakTrax: www.ringwayreports.co.uk Manchesterspotters2 Yahoo group (you need to join) www.flytecomm.com Karl
58 Kugakt: [ Work for me this weekend, so cant say ill be showing. Got a couple of days off next week, but not sure how the wife would take me spending at the mo
59 Daleaholic: I'm on half term next week so if you fancied meeting up one day for a bit of shooting, I'd be up for it! Wednesday and Thursday are good days for me.
60 JakTrax: Take the A538 from Wilmslow (the road that eventually goes under the tunnels) and just outside the town there's a left turn, just after the Texaco gar
61 Kugakt: Ill have to let you know how pans out. I cant say for sure ill be there at this present stage, wife wanting me to take her away for couple of days. S
62 Daleaholic: Well, looks like next week may be my last week with the 70-300, as I shall be getting a 70-200F4 L within the next fortnight!
63 JakTrax: Good lens choice! May bump into you next week (or possibly Sunday) as we're out there possibly every day. Karl
64 Kugakt: Anyone got any opinions on these lenses? Sigma 28-105 F4-5.6 Auto Focus or Canon EF 35-105mm F4 .5 - 5.6 Zoom lens Any others anyone can recomend for
65 JakTrax: I wouldn't really recommend either for aviation. They may be alright for day-to-day situations but the focussing speed will disappoint. Try the Canon
66 Kugakt: Just been trying to process an image of the Finnair jet last sat. Did anyone notice the guy in the window under the word Finish with his fingers up to
67 Kugakt: Is anyone going to be there first thing in the morning? Just worked out with the clocks going back that i might be able to squeeze a couple of hours i
68 Kugakt: Morning Just after some help with choice of lenses again. a. Tamron 18-250mm f3.5-6.3 DI II LD for Canon b.Canon 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5 ( which i know has
69 JakTrax: The Tamron is hopelessly soft so forget it quickly! The Canon 55-250 produces OK images up to about 200mm but its build quality leaves a lot to be des
70 DerekF: Wrong. It is fine up to 220mm or so then a little soft at 250mm. At 18mm up to 180mm it is very good. Perhaps you could show examples of softness you
71 Kugakt: Thanks for the comments Karl. Gives me something to think about, would like to get one sorted for the weekend, maybe a job on tuesday instead of visti
72 JakTrax: Oops, sorry, didn't read Karl's post properly! I thought he was referring to the Tamron 18-200 however I've just realised he's on about the 18-250, w
73 Kugakt: Looks like i might get the Canon 28-105. One thing i did wonder was would it be benefical to get that and use it with my Tamron 70-300 or plunge in an
74 Daleaholic: Mine arrived on Saturday, only got chance to go to MAN today. Went southside... typically, when I got there, no aircraft approaching and 5R was being
75 Kugakt: Where is southside? 5r which is that for landings? Are there diffrent approaches / takings off for ifferent days/ weather conditions? Whats the reason
76 Dazbo5: Have a look at RingwayRepoerts: http://www.spotterswiki.com/index.ph...=Manchester_Airport_%28MAN/EGCC%29 Noise abatement and a drop in traffic so tw
77 JakTrax: The Canon 28-105 is an excellent choice, but do be sure you get the best version (F3.5-4.5 USM II). The twin-lens option will always give better qual
78 Kugakt: Thanks for your advice, greatly appreciated. I think for the time being i need to focus on my photography skills before going for the canon 70-200. Li
79 JakTrax: Karl, Look at BBC's 24hr forecast - unreliable at times but sometimes useful. Also try www.accuweather.com. Today would have been a hideous day for ph
80 Kugakt: Anyone heading for Man over the weekend? Im undecided on which day to go yet, have to see how the weather is. Be good to get some tips off anyone if t
81 Jid: Well if the weather is ok I will make an appearance but Metcheck is suggesting I stay in bed ![Edited 2008-11-07 10:35:49]
82 Daleaholic: Might possibly make an appearance on Sunday... unsure yet though... check back on Sunday morning!
83 JakTrax: Judging by the forecast I most definately WON'T be making an appearance either today or tomorrow. In fact, I won't be out until Wednesday at this bloo
84 Kugakt: Its been really poor. Agree looking at the forecast Wed going to be the best day. ( typical im working). Ah well
85 9VSPO: Today wasn't too bad actually. Although it was VERY cold. I'd recommend taking wellies if you plan on going this week. And please upload something di
86 JakTrax: Well I personally like side-ons so there..... Having said that, I tried to upload something 'different', only to have it rejected by the forces that b
87 Psych: Mmm - for those of us restricted to places outside the perimeter of the airfield, there are not that many opportunities for novel motives these days.
88 Daleaholic: Mainly down to the fact a lot of creative shots are rejected, people tend to stick with what they know will make the database. I know I said I'd post
89 JakTrax: Folks, Wednesday is looking good (if the Beeb are to be believed) and so, since I'm beginning to forget what a 'plane looks like, I will almost defina
90 Kugakt: Hope it does stay dry for you,i may just risk tommrow morning for an hour or two according tho the bbc weather sunlight around 10 ( most probably my a
92 Daleaholic: I was just about to ask about that shot Darren! I am curious as to how to get to this spot... Last time I was at MAN, I turned off Wilmslow road befor
93 9VSPO: Yes! More like this please. But preferably with the planes coming the other way round.[Edited 2008-11-11 22:58:33]
94 Jid: What like this ? [photoid:0914007] Ah the good old days of PIA lumps
96 Psych: Prior to 9V's post, I had scoured some old folders to see if there were any worthy photos that I could upload, to break up the 'monotony' of those sam
97 JakTrax: To be honest Paul (Markman) Daleaholic would be best walking through the Bollin tunnel to get between the runways, as the Ostlers/Wood Lane route is v
98 Dazbo5: I think the recent cold weather and wind has made it possible more than anything. The folliage is much thicker in the warmer months so I think it's j
99 Kugakt: Ive been looking through some pictures at MAN by other members. Some are shown climbing away from Runway 05L. Pictures taken opposite the control towe
100 Psych: Karl - I hope you were looking at some of mine . Aircraft will always favour taking off and landing into the wind - it's all about aerodynamics. As th
101 Kugakt: Yeah thats helped a lot, seems then luck of draw and wind on the day of going. I presume opposite the silver RBS sign is the best spot for those takeo
102 JakTrax: It's the only spot really if you want rotations off runway 05L. It's an OK place but ideally you need a 300 or 400mm lens, and unfortunately I only h
103 Daleaholic: Not been to MAN for a while now, hoping to get down once I get a bit more cash! Hopefully the weather will be alright in the first week of December! D
104 Kugakt: Tryed to email you but have to be first class or premium.I have a tamron 70-300mm - do you think that the sigma would be better for me? If so how much
105 Daleaholic: Check your instant messages Should be a yellow alert at the top of the forum page!
106 Kugakt: Got your message thanks. Is it going to better than the tamron 70-300??
107 Daleaholic: I can't say for definate as I've never used the Tamron, It's a pretty decent lens though, 7 of my 9 photos on here have been taken with it!
108 JakTrax: Guys, I have no experience with either lens but from what I do know I imagine the Sigma will not be much different to what Karl already has. Daleaholi
109 Daleaholic: The Sigma, I would consider... looking at the prices, a better lens. How long have you had the Tamron Kugakt? I've had my Sigma for almost 2 years and
110 JakTrax: Both the Sigma and the Tamron are basic, budget lenses; why 'upgrade' from a budget lens to another budget lens? Defeats the object of upgrading if yo
111 Daleaholic: Slim chance I could be out there, weather dependant.
112 Kugakt: Ive had it scince i bought my camera earlier on in the year. If im not going to notice a big difference then it would be pointless for me to change f
113 Kugakt: Im looking to go Saturday morning for a few hours. What time AF retro-jet in? Also where is the best place to photo it when landing, is it moss lane
114 Kugakt: Ill be giving my technique another try on saturday morning. Best place to catch the AF retro coming in ( opposite the airport pub) ?
115 JakTrax: Karl, The AF retro-jet isn't specifically due Saturday; I simply meant that it could turn up, with the majority of AF flights being A320s. F-GFKJ is a
116 JakTrax: Folks, it's due to be a very bright day tomorrow and the early-morning Hamburg Int'l flight is to be operated by D-AHIK, which is the one in the 10th
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