Sponsor Message:
Aviation Photography Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Anyone Else Got The Screening Blues?  
User currently offlineOSU_av8or From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 89 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4182 times:

I'm having a streak of bad luck with the screeners. I don't upload many shots, but I've got 47 images in the database and 50 sounds like a fantastic goal. The only problem is the last 10-15 shots I have uploaded didn't pass muster. I truly think my work has gotten better as I have progressed, but I think the quality bar of the site is rising faster than my experience. I'm glad the popularity of the site and the quality of the contributions allows this, but I'm just wondering how you guys keep your motivation when or if you hit a bad streak?

39 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineSovietjet From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2003, 2609 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4166 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Was it re-uploads of the same picture or were all 15 of them different unique photos? I rarely re-upload something if it gets rejected, mainly because I'm too lazy to spend time re-editing something I already spent time editing once. I just move on to another photo. I guess that's my motivation, try another photo!

If they are all different photos, then I just read the rejection reasons and try to learn from my mistakes. Honestly though I haven't had a real bad streak, maybe 5 was the worst. For me what's MUCH more demotivating is a real long queue and low traffic/hits. Even worse when it is combined since you wait 14 days to get screened only to get lower hits than the "other site". This is why I didn't upload anything all summer. Yes some of you say hits don't matter but for me it is motivating Thankfully it is mostly fixed now and I currently have 10 in the queue  Smile


User currently onlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4165 times:

Take a break and grab a brunette like Kelly LeBrock and go drink some bourbon in an old bar in Chicago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KKCfkmQWUA

Seriously post a few here for some help. Plenty of people willing to help out and get you back with a few acceptances.


User currently offlineJohnKrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1399 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4132 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
HEAD SUPPORT

Well, I think we all do, but a way to minimize it is to use the pre-screening thread where you can get a first look before uploading.


5D Mark III, 7D, 17-40 F4 L, 70-200 F2.8 L IS, EF 1.4x II, EF 2x III, Metz 58-AF1
User currently offlineDlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4107 times:

Ha ha... I thought this thread was going to be a complaint about the queue length. Just two months ago it was down to close to 2000, and the wait time for a picture to get screened was 2-3 days max. Now, it's a week-and-a-half wait. Not that I'm whining or anything...

User currently offlineDerekF From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 912 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4102 times:



Quoting OSU_av8or (Thread starter):
I truly think my work has gotten better as I have progressed, but I think the quality bar of the site is rising faster than my experience.

I've thought that for the 8 years I've uploaded here.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
Plenty of people willing to help out and get you back with a few acceptances.

I have to say that many questions asked pre and post screening threads don't seem to get the responses. Many uploaders questions are left unanswered. Mine included  Sad



Whatever.......
User currently offlineJohnKrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1399 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4067 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
HEAD SUPPORT



Quoting DerekF (Reply 5):
I have to say that many questions asked pre and post screening threads don't seem to get the responses. Many uploaders questions are left unanswered. Mine included Sad

You have no Q's in the current pre-screening thread, and only 2 in post and one of them was replied to. How many have you replied to?
The post and pre-screening threads are as good as we make them, and if you see a possible rejection in another members image it's just a matter of saying so. Like it is now a lot of people post Q's and few reply. There are rarely screeners in there so it is a user to user feedback! I have posted few Q's but gave response on lots.

/Johnny



5D Mark III, 7D, 17-40 F4 L, 70-200 F2.8 L IS, EF 1.4x II, EF 2x III, Metz 58-AF1
User currently offlineDerekF From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 912 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4054 times:



Quoting JohnKrist (Reply 6):
You have no Q's in the current pre-screening thread, and only 2 in post and one of them was replied to. How many have you replied to?

So you checked me out eh?

I don't reply to requests for help. I don't have a nearly high enough acceptance ratio to be able to pass judgement on others. It would be helpful if those who did pass judgment on others shared their own acceptance ratio. I could then tell whether their advice was worth listening to or not. My acceptance ratio is 20% - am I a good judge of what will be accepted or not?

I haven't used the pre-screening thread and I doubt I'll be using the post-screening thread much now either.



Whatever.......
User currently offlineJohnKrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1399 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4030 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
HEAD SUPPORT



Quoting DerekF (Reply 7):
am I a good judge of what will be accepted or not?

Well, I am not saying I am an expert, far from it. And it's always easier to say what is not accepted, and by that spare someone an obvious rejection. I will never say "Sure, that's a killer shot that will be accepted" since I am not a screener,
I have had my fair share of rejections too, and I only have 7 pics in the database, but I can see jaggies, softness and many other faults nevertheless.



5D Mark III, 7D, 17-40 F4 L, 70-200 F2.8 L IS, EF 1.4x II, EF 2x III, Metz 58-AF1
User currently onlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4030 times:



Quoting DerekF (Reply 5):
I have to say that many questions asked pre and post screening threads don't seem to get the responses. Many uploaders questions are left unanswered. Mine included

I have to admit I have particpated less in the prescreening threads here since the mods changed the policy and made it a superthread. Just too long and not as orgainzed as before but for the most part I think it is still a good way to get your stuff looked at and get some advice or use the post screening thread as well. Will save you time when you can see if something just needs some more editing or is a bad capture.

Quoting DerekF (Reply 7):
It would be helpful if those who did pass judgment on others shared their own acceptance ratio. I could then tell whether their advice was worth listening to or not

Not sure everyone would like to attach their acceptance ratio to their posts. A quick check in the photographers section will give you a persons number of photos, avg views ect. Then by looking at their work you can see if they know how to use a camera and PS.


User currently offlineJid From Barbados, joined Dec 2004, 972 posts, RR: 31
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4028 times:



Quoting JohnKrist (Reply 6):
You have no Q's in the current pre-screening thread, and only 2 in post and one of them was replied to. How many have you replied to?
The post and pre-screening threads are as good as we make them

Never been a fan of these threads, and judging by the screener input tho those threads neither are they!

But getting back to the original point of the thread - I did have a dip in acceptance when I changed equipment a few months ago but you have to work through it. As long as you learn from your rejections and don't just complain about them then you will go in the right direction. And sure enough I am back up in the 90%'s now.

Jid



G7EPN is back after 15 years! Operating all Bands 80mtrs -> 70cms QRZ DX
User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4021 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!



Quoting Jid (Reply 10):
Never been a fan of these threads, and judging by the screener input tho those threads neither are they!

Dont speak for us please.

Every request we reply to is another dozens images we cant screen. With the high queue we just prioritize.

If someone really disagree with a rejection they can use the appeal function.

The pre-screening threads and post screening threads are not just the responsibility of the screeners, quite the opposite. There always seem to be more people asking questions than answering them on there. Now I see some comments here that people feel they are not qualified enough since they are not screeners, but I think everyone who has images accepted here can make good comments about pictures.

Tim



Alderman Exit
User currently offlineCodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4002 times:

If you feel screening-blue sometimes taking a break from uploading can help or you can always redo the editing.

KS/codeshare



How much A is there is Airliners Net ? 0 or nothing ?
User currently offlineJid From Barbados, joined Dec 2004, 972 posts, RR: 31
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3979 times:



Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 11):
Dont speak for us please.

Tim I was not speaking for you, not quite sure how you derived that? It was purly an observation based on the number of replies from screeners in those two threads. Of course the screening team has priorities elsewhere, I think we all know that.



G7EPN is back after 15 years! Operating all Bands 80mtrs -> 70cms QRZ DX
User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4967 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3970 times:



Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 11):
Now I see some comments here that people feel they are not qualified enough since they are not screeners, but I think everyone who has images accepted here can make good comments about pictures.

Tim, we could make comments (by we, I speak for people with few shots in the db) but they are worth nothing regarding acceptance into a.net. I can comment a shot looks great but it can have several flaws that I won't see, because I'm not a screener. The purpose of these threads IMO should be screener input mainly, not the other way around. How can I tell someone that their shot looks jagged when I only have 25 shots in the db? I am certainly not qualified to pass judgment on technical aspect of a picture (unless it's something veeeeery obvious), and needless to say about the creative shots.
I understand screeners' have their hands full, but the mega thread doesn't help, becuase many shots get lost there and never go through a proper pre-screen.



Carp aunque ganes o pierdas ...
User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3970 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

I thought you meant to say we were not fans of those threads while in fact we are since when people both ask questions and answer them it can potentially save us a lot of work

Tim



Alderman Exit
User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4811 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3937 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!



Quoting Dlowwa (Reply 4):
Ha ha... I thought this thread was going to be a complaint about the queue length. Just two months ago it was down to close to 2000, and the wait time for a picture to get screened was 2-3 days max. Now, it's a week-and-a-half wait.

Me too. It has slipped back to that snails-pace that we saw a few months ago and it's growing...errr slowing. I assume right now, everyone is waiting for the new code rewrite before they carry on full speen with many functions of the site. At least I hope...cuz it is long...errr sloooooooow again.  Smile

Quoting DerekF (Reply 5):
I have to say that many questions asked pre and post screening threads don't seem to get the responses. Many uploaders questions are left unanswered.

And I knew from the start that it would end up that way. I never saw much good in the idea of having those threads. I respond less to pre/post screening posts because I simply never open those threads. I have posted once or twice in them because I wanted help and since it's now bad form to start your own thread, I'm forced to. But I used to repond more to the requests when they had dedicated threads...the new mega-threads are just too long and everyrhing just gets lost in a mess of requests.

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 11):
If someone really disagree with a rejection they can use the appeal function.

I'd like to say something about this comment that we see from screeners all the time. There is a difference between seeking help on a photo and feeling it was incorrectly rejected. Screeners always respond with a similar statement like yours above and sometimes I get the feeling you don't actually read the questions being asked. It's as if, because you have priorities of screening etc, that you just hand us off to the appeal function. I have had this happen via email as well. We don't always ask for post-rejection help because we disagree with the rejection. And when we do follow that advice and it subsequently gets rejected on appeal, the answer still never gets answered.



ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
User currently offlineF4wso From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 974 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3927 times:

My acceptance rate has dropped, mostly due to soft rejections. That conincides with my trying to use slower shutter speeds to increase propeller blur. Typically, a string of rejections causes me to recalibrate the monitor, revise my post-processing workflow, or look for some other factor controllable from my end.

Time to dust off the scanner and dig back into the wall of slide boxes.

Gary
Cottage Grove, MN, USA



Seeking an honest week's pay for an honest day's work
User currently offlineOSU_av8or From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3907 times:

I appreciate all the responses. In the interest of some feedback, I wonder if someone might have some suggestions for the following two photos (which were my latest rejections)

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...ns/big/20081112_N66bg_jlc_kfyv.jpg

rejected for quality, level, soft.

I took this photo in a very hilly area, and the ground is not always level, including the ground the aircraft is parked on. I leveled the photo with the vertical of one of the T-hangars in the background. As for the level and soft, I sharpened as much as possible without getting the "jaggies."

Second, and I thought this one might be more of a longshot, but I wanted to get a cockpit shot on here.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...ig/20081112_N66bgcpit_jlc_kfyv.jpg

rejected for quality, oversharpened. Any hope of cleaning this one up?

I appreciate all the help.


User currently offlinePsych From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 3048 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3895 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

OSU_av8or - Your thread got me reading, so the least I can do is give you my thoughts:

Though I am not a screener I have participated in the site long enough to develop a decent feel for many of the issues the screeners are looking for. When I opened your first link the quality issue hits you immediately. This is a photo that isn't going to be accepted here for various reasons. The 'easy' bits are the 'level' and 'soft' - level because you immediately sense that the photo is sloping down from left to right, and so needs CCW rotation. Your reference is tricky, so in this type of situation you need to make it 'look' level. You have no verticals in the shot that are anywhere near large enough to be reliable references. I think the softness in the shot is a direct consequence of the original not having the requisite quality. It is pretty soft generally, but nowhere more so than is evident in the windows/cabin of the aircraft.

Quality is always harder to describe. In your example this looks to me to be due to the equipment used to take the photo - it just doesn't look like a DSLR image. Is that correct? That may then be all about pixel density/lens quality etc.

I feel the quality of the second link is a bit better, but still has that look of an original that was somewhat lacking in crisp detail. If there are quality/soft issues with the original, then when you sharpen the image you are in danger of easily getting things to look oversharpened. But in this case I feel the bigger problem is 'soft' once again. Had I been the screener I would have clicked on 'soft' rather than 'oversharpened'.

I hope these comments are of some help.

Paul

P.S. The discussion here about the pre- and post-screening threads has started off a separate thread - so I will not reiterate my thoughts on that here.

[Edited 2008-11-13 11:42:15]

User currently offlineOSU_av8or From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3881 times:

Paul,

I appreciate your thoughts. You are correct, I do not use a DSLR (one day, but I've got a bit more law school to suffer through first). My Olympus cameras have served me well until recently. I started with a C-700 and am now shooting with a C-740. I've been needing a new camera for years, but just can't justify dropping the money right now on a DSLR for only occasional shooting like I do.

Regarding the second photo. I have always had trouble with cockpit shots, but this is certainly the best I have achieved so far. I focused out the windshield to get the focus and forced the flash to get enough light inside to have a decent picture.

Thanks for your reply.


User currently onlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3862 times:

Looking at your first pic I have to say I would give Fergul's workflow a read you can find it here on the upload page. Firstly work with smaller sizes. 1280 is far too big for this shot. 1024 is fine and get a better ratio. 3 to 2 is much better to start from. I would also crop it a little different and include more of the wing. Second, the shot is not even close to level. As you get used to Fergul's framework in devloping a workflow leveling is very important and once you practice quite easy, but that rejection is valid. Third, the soft rejection is right on its very soft in fact the tail and nose gear look blurry or almost out of focus. I know that fuselage color is hard to get sharp but it is bad quality would have to see the raw capture but it may be fixable.

The cockpit shot does suffer from a bad crop and is leaning badly. The seats hurt it and it seems you needed to just move in a little closer to get a better motive. Not sure this can be saved either.


User currently offlineDlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3856 times:



Quoting OSU_av8or (Reply 18):
I appreciate all the responses. In the interest of some feedback, I wonder if someone might have some suggestions for the following two photos (which were my latest rejections)

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...ns/big/20081112_N66bg_jlc_kfyv.jpg

rejected for quality, level, soft.

I'd have to agree with the screeners on this one. A re-size might help, but otherwise I'd say there's not much you can do about the quality/softness/(contrast it looks like too). Sorry.


User currently offlineMalandan From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 380 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3774 times:

A suggestion that is not the answer for many but may be an option for some!
Particularly if you have been uploading for a few years and perhaps even more so if you have uploaded scanned images, consider giving yourself a break from new uploads and consider re-uploads.
A few years ago the acceptance standards were decidedly lower, and I had many hundreds of acceptances which by today’s standards would not make the grade. On one memorable occasion I had 48 acceptances in a single email and no doubt someone can beat this!
I have found the process of re-scanning and careful processing very satisfying but on the other hand I have to say that it is unlikely to result in high numbers of additional views.
Some corrections would not even require a re-scan, e.g. colour cast, grain, sharpness, etc although scans at higher resolutions provide greater potential for higher quality.
Of course some digital images may also benefit from a facelift!
A short sceening time thanks to Gary and an easily achieveble 100% acceptance rate are added benefits.
Give it go if you haven’t already done so, you know it makes sense.

Malcolm.



My interest lies in the future as I am going to spend the rest of my life there!
User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3744 times:

On a slightly related note, about a month ago we saw extremely fast screening - sometimes 2-3 days. Since then, screening has again slowed. I'm not bitching, I'm just curious as to what is different between then and now?

25 Michlis : Happens to us all. Not a bad idea. Suggestion: Go out and photograph for fun for a while. If you don't you lose the whole reason you're into photogra
26 744flyer : I must agree; I'm pretty new to this site, but lately, after about 15 rejections, I've been REALLY discouraged, and have almost stopped shooting. The
27 EZEIZA : Luke, take this from someone with very few pics in the db and a very low acceptance ratio: Don't let a.net spoil your fun. Rejections suck, they are
28 WILCO737 : I think we all have that blues from time to time. My acceptance ratio was down to 10% once. That was a really frustrating time. Now I am at 38% (prett
29 Deaphen : Look at it as a challenge... thats all... whatever everyone says or does, A.net is the best, nothing in aviation competes with it. Look at the state o
30 NIKV69 : This has been discussed before. Some screeners go away on Holiday, some on biz such as Andy is doing now. The screeners are photogs like us and have
31 UltimateDelta : Don't take it too hard... I've had all 14 of my submissions rejected.
32 EZEIZA : No, but I was replying to 744flyer who was saying that he felt so discouraged by rejection that he was barely shooting alltogether. And if that's wha
33 Dlowwa : Coming from a photography background with a mild interest in aviation, and having begun to focus on aviation photography in just the past year, I'd a
34 Post contains images Points : I am not good in explaining my thoughts and giving my opinion. But this time I give it a try. About 3 years ago i bought myself a DSLR because of the
35 Sunandan : I had an unbelievable number of rejections (mainly because I wasn't well versed with the screening process at that time) before a fellow spotter frien
36 Post contains links RomeoKC10FE : Yeah it gets frustrating, I have much better luck at the other sites that I upload to, sometimes I think a.net has lost it's way. This site started ou
37 NIKV69 : Why because they have high standards? Your shots are soft. Why are you uploading at 1600? Get that down to 1024 and you will have much better luck. S
38 Ruudb : I agree with you, the shots are soft and why change the standards of the site, if you want to have your pictures on the web, upload to MyAviation or t
39 RomeoKC10FE : Oh, so because I have an opinion I'm complaining, man I'm glad I live in the good ole' USA where we have freedom of speech. I believe I ended my post
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Anyone Got The Plustek 9636T posted Wed Jul 26 2000 21:06:17 by Shamrock77
Does Anyone Else Love Fisheye Shots? posted Tue Sep 2 2008 06:59:44 by Deaphen
EK A380 At SFO...... Anyone Else Gonna Be There? posted Sat Aug 2 2008 12:27:39 by Apollo13
I Got The Front Page Today posted Mon Dec 31 2007 12:33:36 by Rsmith6621a
Anyone Else Use Dust Aid? posted Sat Jul 21 2007 18:21:09 by United_Fan
Anyone Else Have Itchy Shutter Finger? posted Sun Feb 18 2007 15:29:05 by Jkw777
Did Anyone Else Receive One Of Those? posted Mon Feb 5 2007 10:36:37 by Beechcraft
Anyone Off To The Elvington Air Show? posted Mon Aug 14 2006 18:53:26 by 9VSPO
Anyone Been To The DTW South Parking Garage? posted Fri Jul 21 2006 15:26:06 by F4wso
Mistakes In The Screening Process?Should I Appeal? posted Sat Sep 24 2005 12:10:15 by Alexandru