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User currently offlineHarley From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3983 times:

Are Screener comments on rejected photo,s a thing of the past

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User currently offlineCodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3965 times:

Didn't get any personals recently. But I got a few occasionally.

KS/codeshare



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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8968 posts, RR: 76
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3960 times:
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I get some from time to time. Not too often though. But usually it is clear what's wrong with the picture as stated in the rejection reason. Only if some special comment is required it will be added.

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User currently offlineWalter2222 From Belgium, joined Sep 2005, 1293 posts, RR: 28
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3943 times:

I got one 4 days ago (explaining that the re-edited shot was still soft in some areas).

Always nice to get a personal note with the rejection, and much appreciated!

Best regards,

Walter



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User currently offlineWhisperjet From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 566 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3936 times:
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Usually all my 'level' and 'dirty' rejections are accompanied by a screener's comment.

Stefan



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User currently offlineF4wso From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 974 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3909 times:

Comments are helpful for contrast rejections, ie, too little or too much.


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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3858 times:

I still get them when warranted.

User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4964 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3856 times:

Hardly any comments .. once or twice in the last few months. Not even after appealing. I think a few words in rejections would help a lot to know what the screener is seeing, but oh well ...


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User currently offlineAirKas1 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 3969 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3836 times:

I get one every once in a while. Had one 2 days ago for a shot that was rejected for level, saying that it needs CW rotation. No matter how short the message is, it's always helpful.

User currently offlineChukcha From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 1977 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3833 times:
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Quoting Harley (Thread starter):
Are Screener comments on rejected photo ... a thing of the past

Same here. Very few recently; none when IMHO they are most needed - 'motive' rejections, for example.

No wonder when the screeners have to do the "firefighting" trying to reduce the queue that has been getting out of hand again. Apparently, no time for comments.

[Edited 2008-11-25 16:01:51]

User currently offlineGhostbase From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 354 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3806 times:

Have had quite a few rejections in the last couple of weeks, also several screener comments which have tended to be for the 'borderline' rejections which have encouraged me to make changes which should result in the photos then being accepted. Always appreciated  Smile

 ghost 



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User currently offlineDerekF From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 906 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3770 times:

My last batch of rejections had no comments at all - shame really as they are generally useful.

Quoting Chukcha (Reply 9):
Same here. Very few recently; none when IMHO they are most needed - 'motive' rejections, for example.

I had a motive rejection that was rejected on appeal without comment so I have no idea what is wrong. The post-screening thread was no use either.



Whatever.......
User currently offlineChukcha From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 1977 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3713 times:
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Quoting DerekF (Reply 11):
I had a motive rejection that was rejected on appeal without comment

Join the club  Sad ... I received three rejections for 'motive' with no comments within a couple of weeks. I appealed one of them, and it was rejected again (needless to say - no comment), and another one is still in the appeal queue. Most likely, will be rejected in the same fashion.

The problem is that most of the time I do understand why my pictures are rejected. With these three I don't, so the silence on the screener's end doesn't help.

When they do write something, even rejected, you feel like you are being treated like a person. When they don't, especially when the rejection reason is not exactly clear-cut, you feel just like a discarded number in the queue. Like, "Why rejected?? Are you dumb or what? Can't you see it for yourself? It is bloody obvious!!!"

Then again, maybe it is just me.


User currently offlineMichlis From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 737 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3684 times:

I will get them from time to time mostly when there is a quick-fix and a suggestion to re-upload afterwards.


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User currently offlineJGR From Spain, joined Jul 2006, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3568 times:
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I appreciate comments in rejects always but specially in :

- Dust spots : location (upper righ corner)

- Level : only CW or CCW is vvery useful

- Contrast : too high, too low

- Soft : if picture is sharp except a little portion as tail, nose, etc.

Normally I have 1 or 2 comments by 10 rejects, I'll be happy if more comments but I understand screeners and the extra work for this.

Javier



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User currently offlineLasham From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 226 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3425 times:
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Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 6):
I still get them when warranted

Always try to add a comment when the shot warrants it. It tends to be shots that are rare/new or something interesting that is worth saving.

Quoting Michlis (Reply 13):
It is bloody obvious!!!"

And then as Michlis said we have the obvious rejections!

I would love to add a comment to all my rejections but no need on 90% as the rejection reasons say it all.

Tony



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User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3906 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3408 times:

I get quite a few screener comments with my rejections. No complaints there. thumbsup 

When I appeal a rejection, however (I rarely do, so this is not based on a lot of evidence) and the photo is rejected again for the same reason, I rarely seem to get a word of explanation and I think that's a pity. Obviously, I'm at a loss with the rejection or I wouldn't have appealed.

Peter Smile

[Edited 2008-11-29 16:48:52]


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User currently offlineGASGH From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3383 times:

I had two photos rejected for "level" in the last 24 hours.

In both cases, I re-checked my editting work, found the lamp posts perfectly vertical. So... I appealed. Lost again, and in both cases with no additional guidance from our esteemed "screeners".

However, moderators have been very quick and efficient at deleting my posts on the subject as having been posted in the "wrong place" or "off topic". Let's see how long this one lasts!

And as said, and perfectly ON TOPIC, neither the original screener nore the 'head screener' on appeal left ANY extra info as to what they looked at to make their judgements.

Thanks!


User currently offlineHarley From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3368 times:

Getting a level rejection without a comment is probably one of the worst.With no indication of what the screener is leveling to (obviously not what you choose) you're in a sorta of no win situation.I wonder how many great shots never resurface for fear of another rejection.

Rod


User currently offlineCodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3321 times:

Just a few days ago I got a motiv rejection with a direct pin-point personal explanation. Thank you very much for that. More please  Smile but not rejections Big grin

KS/codeshare



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User currently offlineDerekF From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 906 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3001 times:

Just had 13 rejections out of 20 uploaded - (7 still in screening which I expect to get rejected anyway) and no comments at all - it really isn't very helpful. Many were rejected previously due to a database cock-up the other week and reuploaded as instructed - what a waste of time  Angry
Comments would be a great help as I don't understand many of the rejections and without an explanation there is no point in reuploading.

I think a comment should be compulsory on things like level, motive and contrast.



Whatever.......
User currently offlineRedfox From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 172 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2992 times:



Quoting DerekF (Reply 20):
I think a comment should be compulsory on things like level, motive and contrast.

Erm, WHY?

Put yourself in the shoes of a screener. You have a minimum amount of photos to screen each day to balance with the pressures of family and normal day-to-day issues. Do you think you would provide an exact comment for every rejection when the automated script conveys the message.

I'll help...

Level = Level (not so straight, needs levelling)
Motive = Great picture not for this site (nothing can be done)
Contrast = Contrast (look at the histogram)

On a positive note I have recently received a screener comment that was helpful in addition to the automated script. I appreciate the time and effort spend by our volunteer screeners.

If you are getting 13/20 rejected I would look at improving your photography or camera processing technique rather than bashing the site.


User currently offlineDerekF From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 906 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2964 times:



Quoting Redfox (Reply 21):
I'll help...

Level = Level (not so straight, needs levelling)
Motive = Great picture not for this site (nothing can be done)
Contrast = Contrast (look at the histogram)

Sarcasm never looks great in print.
Instead of a level tick box why not level CW or ACW, instead of contrast have a too much or too little contrast rejection. Those are the sort of things that are asked frequently in rejection threads.

Motive should have an explanation - when you get identical motives accepted and rejected I can only assume it is down the screener's personal taste and that isn't helpful at all.

Quoting Redfox (Reply 21):
On a positive note I have recently received a screener comment that was helpful in addition to the automated script. I appreciate the time and effort spend by our volunteer screeners.

Lucky you - I have had no screener comments in 16 rejections out of 20.
I will edit the pictures accordingly and have another go at getting them rejected for something else.

Quoting Redfox (Reply 21):
If you are getting 13/20 rejected I would look at improving your photography or camera processing technique rather than bashing the site.

You saved the best til last. I can only assume you have seen my rejected photos to make a remark like that.
I have an idea - if I got some comments then that might help " improving your photography or camera processing technique"

Bashing the site? What crap - if you can't say anything constructive - say nothing at all.



Whatever.......
User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 64
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2944 times:
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Hello

Quoting DerekF (Reply 22):
will edit the pictures accordingly and have another go at getting them rejected for something else.



Quoting DerekF (Reply 22):
Sarcasm never looks great in print.

Yes, I agree!

Regards

Gary


User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 64
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2928 times:
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Derek

Quoting DerekF (Reply 22):
Lucky you - I have had no screener comments in 16 rejections out of 20.

Maybe if you start treating the screeners with respect they will help you out by adding comments. Everything you say on the forum is always negative. I would probably have to search back some months or even years for anything positive. Screeners are encouraged to add personal comments whenever they can but they are not 'contracted' to do so on all image rejections.

I have lost count the numbers of personal comments I have added with rejections today and even had some feedback as to how much they are appreciated. Yes, I do add my name and mail address to some comments if they want additional help.

Regards

Gary


25 DerekF : And my point is out of 16 rejections - no comments at all - no clues - some of the rejections are marginal at best and if I got any comments I'm sure
26 Post contains links Blackbird1 : Hi all, seems to be an interesting discussion going on, let me join the party. With an acceptance rate of about 50% to 60% (mainly 'boosted' by my old
27 TweetDriver : This is the reason why I gave up uploading for a while now. I had a picture a couple of weeks ago and added in the comments block that this picture is
28 Chukcha : Gary, can you honestly say the same about me - that I don't treat screeners with enough respect? Or that my posts are always negative, for that matte
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