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User currently offlineWoodentom From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 97 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5289 times:

i really want to nail this as i live under the flightpath and spend most days starring upwards.


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i have the canon 100-400mm lens and this is as close as i could get. so what is the cheapest/best way to take ground air shots

thanks

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User currently offlineMclaudio From Portugal, joined Jan 2005, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5274 times:

Hi.
I also have a Canon 100-400 and photos like the one you are trying to make are amongst my favourites. Actually my current wallpaper is an A346 from Iberia flying over my house in Lisbon.
There is no big secret if you want to achieve those frames. The only thing you really need is good visibility and zero haze. Then it's only a matter of shooting in the best quality your camera has and while editing, use a fair amount of crop. As an example, here is an SP crusing at FL360. I did it using a 30D and the 100-400 in full power

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Photo © Miguel Claudio


and in a few hours surfing on a.net you will find plenty of even better examples.
Have fun and good luck



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User currently offlineJGR From Spain, joined Jul 2006, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5242 times:
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I agree with M Claudio, these shots are beautiful and all people like to see the contrails, by the way my fair photo here :

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Airbu...dustrie/Airbus-A380-841/1197030/L/

but let me say today thanks to lens as the Synta 1200 mm. or the use of TC 2x the contrails shots has "changed" a lot and now you can see registration in most of them :

http://www.airliners.net/photo/KLM---Royal/Boeing-747-406M/1424258/L/

In my mind the 100-400 at full power is a bit small now,

Javier



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User currently offlineMclaudio From Portugal, joined Jan 2005, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5211 times:



Quoting JGR (Reply 2):
In my mind the 100-400 at full power is a bit small now,

I really have to agree with you on that point and when we see photos like this one...

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definitely 400mm is almost nothing. According to the remark of the photographer : Canon 600mm + 2X Teleconverter.  Wow!
Only on my wildest dreams...
But back to the op. Now that you spent a good deal of money with the 400mm (but you have the Ferrari of the lenses) you can always try a 2x converter, but good results normally take a little time to achieve.



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User currently offlineGBOAB From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 367 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5209 times:

I currently have this one in the queue at the moment also taken with the 100-400L IS

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Ian



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User currently offlineJGR From Spain, joined Jul 2006, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5155 times:
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Hi,

Ian

Quoting GBOAB (Reply 4):
I currently have this one in the queue at the moment also taken with the 100-400L IS

Nice contrail !

Claudio,
I was tinking exactly in this kind of contrail shot ! Stunning sharpness at 1200 mm. and flying near 900 km/h. speed... really amazing example !

But also contrails with small a/c are interestings :


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Photo © Ivan Voukadinov - BGspotters



Regards,
Javier



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User currently offlineAKE0404AR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2535 posts, RR: 45
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5132 times:



Quoting GBOAB (Reply 4):
I currently have this one in the queue at the moment also taken with the 100-400L IS

This is not out of the box at 400 (640mm), is it?

Vasco


User currently offlineGBOAB From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 367 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5061 times:



Quoting AKE0404AR (Reply 6):
This is not out of the box at 400 (640mm), is it?

Vasco

It is definately 400mm, I wouldn't have got the quality if I had used the 1.4x or 2x converter with this lense



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User currently offlineJid From Barbados, joined Dec 2004, 972 posts, RR: 31
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5054 times:

Well you don't need 400mm or IS, I have a 350mm with no IS and can still get the odd shot that has quality. A bit more reach and IS might help get a few more shots that are worth keeping.

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Good luck .. Jid



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User currently offlineAKE0404AR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2535 posts, RR: 45
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5046 times:



Quoting GBOAB (Reply 7):
It is definately 400mm,

ok, maybe I should have asked a more specific question:

Crop or no crop?

v.


User currently offlineGBOAB From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 367 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5036 times:



Quoting AKE0404AR (Reply 9):
Crop or no crop?

The photo was cropped

Ian



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User currently offlineSovietjet From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2003, 2609 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5000 times:
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The one contrail shot I have here that Javier posted was taken with 100-400 and crop.

User currently offlineWoodentom From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4689 times:



Quoting GBOAB (Reply 4):
I currently have this one in the queue at the moment also taken with the 100-400L IS


Ian


see your photo in on the front page, congrates.

what time of the day did you take this? i spent most of the weekend outside starring upwards trying to figure when the clearest time is. i reckon it is in the morning upto 11 ish.

also the sun was an issue as from where i was located, the sun wasn't reflecting off the aircraft so they looked dark.


User currently offlineGBOAB From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 367 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4669 times:

Thanks, I'm pleased it got into the top 3  Smile

Exact time was 12:45, I was lucky in that it flew right overhead me and was far enough away from the sun not to cause a problem.

Ian



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User currently offlineWoodentom From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4460 times:

ARE MY GROUND TO AIR SHOTS GOOD ENOUGH

so i tried to take some more shots as the sun was going down. i was trying to get the shutter speed as fast as possible as it was v cold and my hands were shaking.

i have saved them on my website as a unedited jpg and was wondering if any of these would be good enough for airliners.net.

i am not sure myself as zooming into the shot i can't make out the airlines (i think it is a BA 747).

please can you have a look and let me know your thoughts. each pic is 1.7 meg approx

http://www.globaltrekker.co.uk/airliners/1.jpg

http://www.globaltrekker.co.uk/airliners/2.jpg

http://www.globaltrekker.co.uk/airliners/3.jpg

http://www.globaltrekker.co.uk/airliners/4.jpg

http://www.globaltrekker.co.uk/airliners/5.jpg

http://www.globaltrekker.co.uk/airliners//6.jpg

http://www.globaltrekker.co.uk/airliners/7.jpg

http://www.globaltrekker.co.uk/airliners/8.jpg

if they are not good enough which i suspect then even 400mm is just not close enough. i assume i will have to get a 2 x teleconvertor i reckon

thanks
tom


User currently offlineJid From Barbados, joined Dec 2004, 972 posts, RR: 31
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4391 times:

Hi Tom

Unfortunatly none of these have the sharpness to make it. In fact all are blurry. This is one of the main issues with this kind of shot because you are using a long lens ANY camera movement is shown in your image.

Recomendations..

Don't shot with cold shaking hands! (If you are in your back garden try whiskey to stay warm)
Use IS if you have it.
Try a monopod, it does not have to be on the ground but the extra weight will give you more stability.
Don't try shooting in challenging light as you have until you have mastered shooting in good light.
The aim is for a sharp image so use the appature that gives you the best results for your lens, normally around F8.

Good luck .. Jid



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User currently offlineWoodentom From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4352 times:

jid,

many thanks for your help and you confirmed my fears.

i know that you shouldn't run before walking but with another 200mm to play with then i believe the shots would be better.

if F8 is sufficent then a 300mm lens with 2x TC should be ok

i am doing some research into the most effective affordable super zoom and will keep trying

tom


User currently offlineJid From Barbados, joined Dec 2004, 972 posts, RR: 31
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4350 times:

You have to remember Tom if you are struggling at 300mm if you wack a x2 on there are image stability problems will also double.

Jid



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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6737 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4330 times:



Quoting Jid (Reply 17):
You have to remember Tom if you are struggling at 300mm if you wack a x2 on there are image stability problems will also double.

And, depending on the lens, you could find the autofocus doesn't work.

Quoting Jid (Reply 15):
Try a monopod,

or a convenient wall/tree/something solid to lean against.

Looking at the photos I'd say you're just a bit too far away to get anything decent with a 400mm lens, you really need the planes going over the top of you.

You might get better pictures with a canon 1.4 or 2x converter on your 100-400mm. At least they'll be the best for the lens, for around £210 here....

http://www.jacobsdigital.co.uk/index...p?target=products&product_id=19578

For a primary lens going to 500mm you'll be looking at the best part of £700, at least, for the Sigma 50-500, 150-500 or Tamron 200-500, all Canon EF.

You could go for an older (Tamron) manual lens and use an M42 mount. Mirror lenses aren't brilliant, but you'll get closer.

Or you can get a telescope.

http://www.luchtzak.be/forums/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=38550&p=211886



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User currently offlineSketty222 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1778 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4300 times:

I think im having the same issues. I live not too far away from NCL and I use a canon 450D with a Tarom 70-300 lens

Balkan on a late summer evening departure fron NCL
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http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/Sketty22/Fokker1.jpg


Anyone know how I can improve these pics?



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User currently offlineJGR From Spain, joined Jul 2006, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4196 times:
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You can't improve these pics you show, quality is too low and you are too far, 1st thing to do : you need be close to the a/c !
Javier



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User currently offlineSketty222 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1778 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4190 times:



Quoting JGR (Reply 20):
You can't improve these pics you show, quality is too low and you are too far, 1st thing to do : you need be close to the a/c !

Didnt think so, I took them from my garden and the aircraft are at about 4000-7000 feet



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